Macross 25th Anniversary and Macross F/Frontier news thread III

[GGemini]

Wait a minute, where is this fanservice trailer at???

No, the one they're talking about is the image from January's NewType

[GGemini]

Just checked several stores and still no Newtype here in HK yet . I'm damn curious to know how Kresphy got that scan so early, before it's even out in Japan.

Something to consider as well, is that those Newtype pics may not be 100% representative of how the characters look in the anime, or the pics may show how the characters appear in one specific scene or episode, rather than their general apperance throughout the whole TV series.

Graham

Nice design of the new Macross F page Graham

If all goes well we'll receive January's Newtype around Dec 23rd here in S'pore

[Chronocidal]

Both trailing edge and leading edge can be reshaped on a plane, though usually easier and more common to alter the trailing edge. (Since basically getting new flaps and ailerons will accomplish that)

I know this is probably out of place, but given the current conversation I find it amusing.

[wolfx]

I think that's the character Matsura Nanase.

Graham

Who's she again?

I think these are the two characters that look alike...

Yes they do! They both have hats too! Hence my confusion. >_<

[Keith]

No, the one they're talking about is the image from January's NewType

Damn, I knew I was missing something.

[Graham]

Kresphy posted the scan of the Jan Newtype with fan service several pages back. I've also uploaded it to the magazine section of the Frontier image page (link in my sig).

Graham

[Zinjo]

Considering how relatively prim/properly dressed the character is shown in all the other available pictures, I wouldn't have a hard time at all believing the fan-service version is a simulation.

Another bit of evidence supporting the theory she is the Flower Girl from Mac 7!

[Keith]

Another bit of evidence supporting the theory she is the Flower Girl from Mac 7!

Damn that'd be funny as all hell if it turned out to be her. In fact, with the new 2059 date, it could easily be...

And thanks Graham, I've now found the picture, and I'm all for the fanservice in this series!

[biggooftoybox]

I've only seen 1 pic so far which is that newtype scan but it aint that much fan service and Ranka Lee looks way way too young.

Is it just me or does Aruot Satome look like a girl?

[Graham]

In some of the screen shots, Ranka looks about 10 years old!

In the January Newtype, I'd say perhaps 15.

Graham

[Chronocidal]

Damn that'd be funny as all hell if it turned out to be her. In fact, with the new 2059 date, it could easily be...

And thanks Graham, I've now found the picture, and I'm all for the fanservice in this series!

I'm not sure it'd be possible for it to be her, considering Mac7 was a colonization fleet.. my general impression was that those kinda stayed out in space, unless they didn't find any place to settle. Now, if they didn't, and Mac7 eventually returned to Earth, I guess it's possible. She could have become a pop star there, and started traveling, but I think touring several interstellar fleets would be one hell of a trip.

Personally, I think it'd be funnier if the fleet officer was actually the flower girl, and Sheryl was her younger sister (haven't checked the names recently, so don't know if that's possble or not).

[MacrossCN]

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071208, 0:56 JST(update again)

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News from Animage Jan. issue!!!!

Macross F will broadcast in Apr. 2008

All Cast List(Non-Official translation name)

早乙女アルト(Saotome Alto)

CV：中村悠一(Yuuichi Nakamura)

ランカ・リー(Ranka Lee)

CV：中島 愛(Megumi Nakajima)

シェリル・ノーム(Sheryl Nome)

CV：遠藤 綾(Aya Endo)

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オズマ・リー(Ozma Lee)

CV：小西克幸(Konishi Katsuyuki)

ジェフリー・ワイルダー(Jeffrey Wilder)

CV：大川 透(Toru Ohkawa)

ルカ・アンジェローニ(Luca Anjerony)

CV：福山 潤(Jun Fukuyama)

ミシェル・ブラン(Michelle Bran)(NT Dec. issue)

ミハエル・ブラン(Michael Bran)(rework by NT & Animage Jan. issue)

CV：神谷浩史(Hiroshi Kamiya)

キャサリン・グラス(Catherine Glass)(NT Dec. issue)

キャシー・グラス(Cathy Glass)(rework by Animage Jan. issue)

CV：小林沙苗(Sanae Kobayashi)

ハワード・グラス(Howard Glass)//Cathy's sibling?

CV：西村知道(Tomomichi Nishimura)

松浦ナナセ(Matsuura Nanase)

CV：桑島法子(Houko Kuwashima)

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カメリア・ベルシュタイン(Gamelia Belstain)//Who is CV?

CV：?

ボビー・マルゴ(Bobby Malgo)

CV：三宅健太(Kenta Miyake)

レオン・三島(Leon Mishima)

CV：杉田智和(Tomokazu Sugita)

グレイス・オコナー(Grace O'Connor)

CV：井上 喜久子(Kikuko Inoue)

BTW, this pic has a mistake. I think Japanese Fans is ignore it too.

ミハエル・ブラン(Michael Bran) is reworked by NT & Animage Jan. issue!

キャシー・グラス(Cathy Glass) is reworked by Animage Jan. issue!

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The News from Macross Official Website

http://www.macross.co.jp

25th Special Program name is confirmed!

祝25周年!あのマクロスが帰ってくるぞSP!!

25th anniversary, Congratulation!! Macross return to SP!!

p.s.

I think...

SP=Special=特別番組

Edited December 7, 2007 by kresphy

[Ishimaru]

News from Animage!!!!

Macross F will broadcast in Apr. 2008

and other Cast List...

オズマ・リー：小西克幸

ジェフリー・ワイルダー：大川透

ボビー・マルゴ：三宅健太

グレイス・オコナー：井上喜久子

ハワード・グラス：西村知道

キャシー・グラス：小林沙苗

レオン・三島：杉田智和

Oh this news is awesome!

April 2008 I cannot wait!

Thanks again man.

[sketchley]

Just checked several stores and still no Newtype here in HK yet . I'm damn curious to know how Kresphy got that scan so early, before it's even out in Japan.

Something to consider as well, is that those Newtype pics may not be 100% representative of how the characters look in the anime, or the pics may show how the characters appear in one specific scene or episode, rather than their general apperance throughout the whole TV series.

Graham

Yes, they just scream "staff artist" to me.

Staff artist being a Newtype magazine staff member, not a Macross F staff member.

I checked in another book shop, and it also had a sign which said that the next issue of Newtype is due on December 9th. I'm guessing that the magazine has already been printed (at the time that I am posting right now) and that they are in the process of being shipped.

However... I am suspecting that Kresphy's got a contact either in Newtype or a publisher whom is also a Macross fan and is taking fast pictures with a mobile camera... this like so reminds me of a segment in "Otaku no Video".

[Kelsain]

Hmm... just a thought, do we know for sure if Sheryl is real? That glowy ghost shot reminded me a little of the way Myung generated Sharon. Considering how relatively prim/properly dressed the character is shown in all the other available pictures, I wouldn't have a hard time at all believing the fan-service version is a simulation. Not betting on it, but it would explain the glowy shot.

As for fan service though, I think it goes a little farther than some may have first thought.. Anyone else notice the thigh-highs, and riding crop?

It might be a stage/publicity gimmick: She walks around and dresses all proper normally, but you gotta see her in concert! It does look kinda like she's throwing off a captain's uniform in that shot.

[sketchley]

Quickie glance translation (not up to my usual translation levels. Bound to be inconsistencies and inaccuracies):

Do you remember love?

From the 1st series, to receiving the 25th anniversary "Macross". As for that anniversary special, at the core is the TV telecast of the 1st Macross, SDF:M, and the 2nd Macross series, 94's Macross 7; movies　and OVAs, altogether 6 productions.

Yet, a double song princess, campus story, a private military force, not in Macross until now, the newest Macross, Macross F's 1st episode special will be broadcast. In it flurishes a crossover of a lot of space, mecha, and music, and the SF anime is drawing near!

[sketchley]

民間軍事部隊 (private military force) - that explains the lack of the UN Spacy kite. It is most likely what the SMS is. Nope, no idea what the name means from the article.

EDIT: I think we really have to take the Macross games' into consideration now. I believe that Kresphy's assertations about the state of the UN Spacy post VF-X2 are starting to ring true, and M3 also had some biomechanical (or entirely biological?) opponents that the heroes faced in combat. Sounds similar to what we've seen in Macross F, eh.

SDF:M: bioengineered race bred for war

DYRL: bioengineered race given pseudo-biological ships to reside in

Macross 7: ultimate in bioengineered war entities (the protodevlin)

Macross 0: biomechanical entity piloted by human/protoculture

Macross 25: completely biological mecha?!?!

Edited December 7, 2007 by sketchley

[Zinjo]

EDIT: I think we really have to take the Macross games' into consideration now. I believe that Kresphy's assertations about the state of the UN Spacy post VF-X2 are starting to ring true, and M3 also had some biomechanical (or entirely biological?) opponents that the heroes faced in combat. Sounds similar to what we've seen in Macross F, eh.

SDF:M: bioengineered race bred for war

DYRL: bioengineered race given pseudo-biological ships to reside in

Macross 7: ultimate in bioengineered war entities (the protodevlin)

Macross 0: biomechanical entity piloted by human/protoculture

Macross 25: completely biological mecha?!?!

You are saying that Spacy is no more or that it no longer services the emigration fleets? I've not seen a decent synopsis of the VF-X2 game's story thus far.

However I agree that the progressive theme toward fully bio-engineered mecha of the PC age is most likely.

If one takes into account the AFOS, it is a possibility that the glowing person in the trailer is a bio-mecha pilot interfacing with her unit (just tossing it out there).

[Graham]

Many, many posts ago, I theorised that the bugs (for want of a more accurate term) in M3 may well be connected to the bugs in Macross frontier.

Can anybody remember if there was ever an explanation given as to what exactly the bugs in M3 are? My memories of the M3 story are rather sketchy, as it's years since I last played the game (I should dig my Dreamcast out of storage).

Having a private (non-UN Spacy) military force could be the reason why they have the VF-171 as the main fighter rather than an advanced version of either the VF-19 or VF-22, which may still be restricted to UN Spacy use only and/or too expensive for a non-UN colony fleet to buy in sufficient numbers.

It also leaves the door open for an apperance later in the show by the VF-19 or VF-22, should the UN military make an appearance.

Graham

[Mr March]

Having a private (non-UN Spacy) military force could be the reason why they have the VF-171 as the main fighter rather than an advanced version of either the VF-19 or VF-22, which may still be restricted to UN Spacy use only and/or too expensive for a non-UN colony fleet to buy in sufficient numbers.

It also leaves the door open for an apperance later in the show by the VF-19 or VF-22, should the UN military make an appearance.

Graham

Thinking the same thing. It all makes a lot of sense that way. Damn, I can't wait to see how all our speculations turn out. Probably most of them will be wrong, but we've got to hit the mark on a few at least

Edited December 7, 2007 by Mr March

[Zinjo]

It is a logical progression. Humanity must number nearly 10 billion by that point and be spread among a dozen of star systems.

This would give rise to groups like SMS ("Special Military Service"- afterall the Japanese military is a civil service job, unlike everywhere else) as Spacy would likely evolve into a purely military naval space force with Marine units, since deploying hundreds of large fleets to escort the emigration program would become cost prohibitive. Each colony may have it's own "Air Force" for system defences in concord with local Spacy fleets.

So as Graham suggests the emigration fleets contract / assemble their own escorts and defensive squadrons which would be composed of "near" military tech level equipment.

It would also suggest that the actual Spacy mainline fighter is indeed still the VF-19 with a new VF-2* version in the pipeline set to replace it... Much like the VF-5000 was built for colony use, so the VF-25 is probably built for the same purpose and the VF-171 is a colonial variant of the military's VF-17...

It's all becoming clear now...

[Duke Togo]

It's all becoming clear now...

We're probably all wrong, but our conclusions are fairly logical.

[azrael]

Having a private (non-UN Spacy) military force could be the reason why they have the VF-171 as the main fighter rather than an advanced version of either the VF-19 or VF-22, which may still be restricted to UN Spacy use only and/or too expensive for a non-UN colony fleet to buy in sufficient numbers.

It also leaves the door open for an apperance later in the show by the VF-19 or VF-22, should the UN military make an appearance.

I wonder if this is a completely non-UN funded colony....i.e. this is a completely privately funded colony. The VF-171* is a dressed-down version of the VF-17 sold to private contractors. And the VF-25 doesn't feel any better than a VF-11/VF-5000. Beyond the hip-guns, it appears to have the same armaments (gunpod, head lasers, shield) and can accept the same level of additional parts (FAST packs, Full-Armors). The transformation also doesn't appear to be terribly complex, either. It evens out the playing field, if anything for the writers.

[Zinjo]

I wonder if this is a completely non-UN funded colony....i.e. this is a completely privately funded colony. The VF-171* is a dressed-down version of the VF-17 sold to private contractors. And the VF-25 doesn't feel any better than a VF-11/VF-5000. Beyond the hip-guns, it appears to have the same armaments (gunpod, head lasers, shield) and can accept the same level of additional parts (FAST packs, Full-Armors). The transformation also doesn't appear to be terribly complex, either. It evens out the playing field, if anything for the writers.

That's an awful lot of private money to purchase a City ship and dozens of support and colony ships as well as fighter wings.

It may not be completely independent, but the fleet's defense may be "contracted" out so to speak to aleviate Spacy who would have to be stretched nearly to it's limit with all the emigration fleets in transit by 2059 ... Then there is Spacy's role as a defensive force to all the existing colonies.

I'm sure someone here can do the math and give us an estimate as to how many fleets have been sent out since Megaroad 01....

[azrael]

That's an awful lot of private money to purchase a City ship and dozens of support and colony ships as well as fighter wings.

It may not be completely independent, but the fleet's defense may be "contracted" out so to speak to aleviate Spacy who would have to be stretched nearly to it's limit with all the emigration fleets in transit by 2059 ... Then there is Spacy's role as a defensive force to all the existing colonies.

Sure it's a lot of money. It doesn't have to be coming from 1 corporation. It could come from a group of corporations (probably with influential people sitting on the Board). We have private security contractors out there right now. Who's to say the Macross-universe doesn't have them either.

[Guld]

wait four months....T_T

[Zinjo]

Sure it's a lot of money. It doesn't have to be coming from 1 corporation. It could come from a group of corporations (probably with influential people sitting on the Board). We have private security contractors out there right now. Who's to say the Macross-universe doesn't have them either.

if you look at it from a purely capitalistic point of view, there is no profit in transporting 10 million people to "somewhere" in the cosmos. They wouldn't be using a City ship, more likely only the "Pill" ships (which would probably be cheaper to produce).

It also flies in the face of the UNG's mandate of sending out emigration fleets. Using civilian contractors (mercenaries) to defend the fleet on it's journey is very probable, but a privately funded fleet of that size is not something any corporation or corporate group could possibly profit from. A private defence group would also allow for wing art and custom paint schemes for the fighters, as opposed to the strict military approved paint schemes...

[Roy Focker]

Character designs still look like crap. I'll watch it for the mecha porn.

[Graham]

Perhaps the private military is a Blackwater type outfit.

Graham

[Chronocidal]

Remember, there is at least one custom paint scheme.. the Roy-ish VF-25 has that skull logo splashed fully across the top of the plane.

Now that I think of it, I wonder if they're going off the example set by Mac7, at least in terms of defense. Mac7 was completely separated from the military for some time, and had to drum up it's own defense force. After that experience, it would make sense for each city ship to have a local defense group in case contact with the UNG was lost.

As for the VF-171s, I'd guess they're the main defense force for the fleet, garnered from refurbished military hardware. The VF-25 might actually be a home-grown fighter, designed and built by the colony. If the VF-171s aren't holding up well, and the UNG can't spare any newer hardware, the fleets may have taken matters into their own hands, and started designing/producing their own defense fighters. The SMS logo may actually be for the company that designed the fighter. It is pasted on the plane in quite a few places, looking almost like an advertisement more than an insignia.

[Ishimaru]

Character designs still look like crap. I'll watch it for the mecha porn.

Compared to other craptacular animes today, it looks pretty good to me.

[eugimon]

Compared to other craptacular animes today, it looks pretty good to me.

I miss the days when guys in anime just looked a little feminine and not all out drag queens. I guess I'm just old fashioned.

[VF5SS]

Alto is so hot. I watching this just for him <3

[Mr March]

AC, you dirty minded sod

Speaking of dirty minds, is anyone else getting a Faye Valentine vibe from Sheryl's costume in the magazine spread? I guess it's the suspenders

[Seven]

Vampire Princess Miyu called, she wants her hairstyle and ribbon back from Alto.