New Yamato TV Advertisment with 1/60 YF-21

[Ignacio Ocamica]

YF-23

The fighter that could have been...

Sniff

[David Hingtgen]

That was the most YF-21esque pic I could find, as the flaps were all out, kinda like the morphing wing.

[eugimon]

That was the most YF-21esque pic I could find, as the flaps were all out, kinda like the morphing wing.

that bird is the reason I love the yf-21 so much.

[Sam]

geez i must have been under a rock or something not to have seen this. I love that ad, the throwback to the dodgy transformation sequences lol.

very VERY excited..indeed....=-)

[Wicked Ace]

By the way, if Yamato can't do the VF-22's nor the game version due to licensing issues (Graham stated that it "might" be an issue with the game licence), wich other non canon schemes are possible? Are they any interesting fan works out there that Yamato could use as "inspiration"?

I'm a fan of this one:

Edited November 14, 2007 by Wicked Ace

[Jeremy007]

wow...that looks great.

im not a fan of the 21 but if that was made, i would probably buy that.

[miriya]

That "Black Clouds" scheme is so incredibly sexy! I need it. Do you hear me Yamato? I NEED it!!!! (yes I am a screaming child in an imaginary toystore - no I do not have shame).

[Ryoma]

I am not a big fan of the YF-21. I like it but I think Macross has better mechas...anyhow I am really excited about this because I will finally have the chance to recreate this image;

That in my opinion is one of the most beautiful ones in the entire Macross saga. Two friends reunite.

[Lonewolf]

I agree with you Ryoma, that little screenshot IS one of the best in all of macross.

[penachoy]

YF-21 Hell's yeah!! Looks good...another one to add to the collection. Now how about making the bad guys Yamato?

[Nani?!]

I like the D-stance the best so far... but yeah the yamato is looking nice so far.

It'll take some still hi-res images to get a better idea though **cough** need pics Graham **cough**

[Sumdumgai]

VF-22S color scheme- nice gray color and white.

YF-21 3rd Prototype - I prefer the lighter tan color in the first pic, as opposed to the actual mustard yellow.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

I like the all blue one with the black cockpit. A stealth would be nice too

[Sumdumgai]

Hell yes, on a stealth. The VF-22 was made for a stealth scheme.

[UN Spacy]

I am not a big fan of the YF-21. I like it but I think Macross has better mechas...anyhow I am really excited about this because I will finally have the chance to recreate this image;

That in my opinion is one of the most beautiful ones in the entire Macross saga. Two friends reunite.

Agreed Ryoma.

It's why it's been my AV since I've joined Macrossworld.

It's such a beautiful moment in time I'll never change it.

[David Hingtgen]

Hey, that 3rd prototype has a TARPS pod. Well, I assume it's intended to be a telemetry pod etc, but it's clearly a slightly modified 1/72 F-14 TARPS pod. Hmmmn. All of us F-14 modelers always have tons of spare TARPS pods, since every kit ever comes with one, but most F-14's can't use them.

[Ryoma]

Macross plus is the best!

Anyway, am I the only who would feel weird to have different re-colors of the YF-21 or the YF-19 since we only saw them as prototypes and not sure if (or which) made it into production...

I would.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

Judging form Macross 7 both fighters made it to production, with changes tho'. But we do have the VF-19a from the game wich is cannon and identical to the YF-19. As for the 21, Yamato only would have to change the head and canopy and do repaints ad nauseam.

Edit: Almost forgot: Hey Graham, where are those YF-21 pics?

Edited November 15, 2007 by Lonely Soldier Boy

[Vic Mancini]

Edit: By the way, if Yamato can't do the VF-22's nor the game version due to licensing issues (Graham stated that it "might" be an issue with the game licence), wich other non canon schemes are possible? Are they any interesting fan works out there that Yamato could use as "inspiration"?

I bookmarked this forum thread a while back. Some cool VF-22 schemes on it.

http://cs.finescale.com/forums/6/566796/ShowPost.aspx#566796

[Chronocidal]

Actually, the belly plates on the -22 are a little different as well, they hold the gunpods internally (you can see that a little on the model pics above).

What I find a little odd is that even though Bandai has the M7 license, they never attempted a VF-22.. probably too complex compared with the others, but still a little surprising. For now, I'll just hope that the VF-22 appears in Macross Frontier somehow, and Yamato uses that to make a ton of em.

Anyone for an Angel Birds scheme?

Edit: Hmm.. never noticed it before, but looks like that Black Clouds Hasegawa mod has the sliding canopy area to shorten the nose like the Yamato one. Wonder if they based the transformation roughly on that one?

Edited November 15, 2007 by Chronocidal

[Grand Admiral]

Eww, no.

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

I bookmarked this forum thread a while back. Some cool VF-22 schemes on it.

http://cs.finescale.com/forums/6/566796/ShowPost.aspx#566796

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!

[eyesonme78]

wow.....

[myk]

Wow. Prayers have been answered after all of these years...

[David Hingtgen]

Just FYI, every one of those VF-22 schemes are simply your standard F-14, F-15, and F-22 schemes. Plus a few experimental Heater-Ferris schemes (possibly F-14, but they remind me more of the ones F-4's wore).

::minor annoyed rant:: I'm always surprised how every time the standard "Compass Ghost" F-15 camo shows up on a valk, people all go "ooooh" and "aaaahhhh" like it was some amazing artistic masterpiece. No, it took 30 secs to photoshop a pre-existing design. It's the scheme every F-15 wore for 20 years, on a different plane. Nothing more.

PS---the original "Low Vis" VF-1 toy is exactly that---the F-15's Compass Ghost scheme--both pattern, and colors. Nothing more. (Which is why it looks good and realistic--it is one of the most effective and common low-vis schemes in the real world--but it frankly doesn't take much creativity/work to come up with the idea on a valk)

[Vic Mancini]

Just FYI, every one of those VF-22 schemes are simply your standard F-14, F-15, and F-22 schemes. Plus a few experimental Heater-Ferris schemes (possibly F-14, but they remind me more of the ones F-4's wore).

::minor annoyed rant:: I'm always surprised how every time the standard "Compass Ghost" F-15 camo shows up on a valk, people all go "ooooh" and "aaaahhhh" like it was some amazing artistic masterpiece.

And the YF-23 scheme you posted is an artistic masterpiece? I'm not sure why low vis and camo schemes annoy you when they are right along the same lines as the black widow scheme you posted.

Honestly I like boring/realistic schemes more than I like artistic masterpieces. And that includes the dull gray 23 scheme you posted. I'd rather own a valk that looks like that than one that looks like a hotrod, (Nora 51).

[David Hingtgen]

...because the YF-21 is based off of the YF-23. It's kinda like the whole "VF-1's painted as F-14's" thing. There is no equivalent for the YF-19 or VF-11 etc. It's the "real life" scheme for the YF-21.

And it's also why Dobber's Flanker-esque camo is so cool on the Sv-51. It's a scheme the "real life eqivalent" wears. (or nearly so, Dobber's camo is his own design/variation, though based/inspired by a NSAWC F-14)

It's not so much the scheme itself, but the fact that a brilliantly *appropriate* pre-existing scheme was used.

If Kawamori ever makes a valk that looks like an F-15, then the Compass Ghost scheme will look very cool on it and be worthy of fawning over. Until then, it's just a misappropriated scheme. (Since each scheme is designed for a certain shape and pattern--F-18 camo doesn't work on an F-16, F-14 camo doesn't work on an F-15, etc) You can sure paint it like that, but it won't "work" like it's supposed to. The shapes on any feathered-edge two/three tone grey scheme is not just random blob shapes. They spend a lot of time testing and designing the pattern. (Admittedly, Hornets and Gripens have very generic, almost identical schemes that do not seem to have been designed for them really---there's no outline masking at all and many straight lines)

[cyde01]

David, you are probably the biggest aviation buff on this forum, and I've always respected your opinion, but honestly right now it just sounds like you're being a little elitist and snobby.

Just FYI, every one of those VF-22 schemes are simply your standard F-14, F-15, and F-22 schemes. Plus a few experimental Heater-Ferris schemes

Yeah, duh. You think we couldn't figure that out when the pictures themselves are labeled as such? None of us need to be told that they are F-22 schemes when the pic says "Raptor scheme" or that they are F-15 compass ghost gray schemes when the pic says "compass ghost gray."

And yes, some valks were based (loosely)off of real world aircraft, but whose to say that real world schemes from other aircraft are "misappropriate" and don't belong on the valk? That would be like saying the YF-19 should only be painted like the x-29 and Su-47. We all know low-vis 1 was inspired by the F-15 and not the F-14, Yamato even announced it as such. That didn't stop everyone here from almost unanimously approving of the scheme (except for you who I guess thought it was inappropriate on an F-14 inspired valk). F-14 schemes are gonna tend to look better on an F-14 inspired valk, but I say as long as it looks good anything goes. If an F-4 or an F-15 scheme looks good enough to get oohs and ahs on a YF-21 I say go for it. The light gray YF-23 doesn't look that different from the F-15 compass gray anyway.

[EXO]

I kinda miss seeing the resin prototype first... loved seeing the uncolored version.

[eugimon]

I kinda miss seeing the resin prototype first... loved seeing the uncolored version.

same here. I miss the days when we got to see prototypes and we would run aorund making comical claims like:

it can't stand on it's own legs!!! OMG!!!

ah, the good ol days.

[do not disturb]

same here. I miss the days when we got to see prototypes and we would run aorund making comical claims like:

it can't stand on it's own legs!!! OMG!!!

ah, the good ol days.

pre-b!tchin at its finest!

[EXO]

i just look at the pics then check out of the thread... that's on you guys! haha.

[Vic Mancini]

...because the YF-21 is based off of the YF-23. It's kinda like the whole "VF-1's painted as F-14's" thing. There is no equivalent for the YF-19 or VF-11 etc. It's the "real life" scheme for the YF-21.

And it's also why Dobber's Flanker-esque camo is so cool on the Sv-51. It's a scheme the "real life eqivalent" wears. (or nearly so, Dobber's camo is his own design/variation, though based/inspired by a NSAWC F-14)

It's not so much the scheme itself, but the fact that a brilliantly *appropriate* pre-existing scheme was used.

If Kawamori ever makes a valk that looks like an F-15, then the Compass Ghost scheme will look very cool on it and be worthy of fawning over. Until then, it's just a misappropriated scheme. (Since each scheme is designed for a certain shape and pattern--F-18 camo doesn't work on an F-16, F-14 camo doesn't work on an F-15, etc) You can sure paint it like that, but it won't "work" like it's supposed to. The shapes on any feathered-edge two/three tone grey scheme is not just random blob shapes. They spend a lot of time testing and designing the pattern. (Admittedly, Hornets and Gripens have very generic, almost identical schemes that do not seem to have been designed for them really---there's no outline masking at all and many straight lines)

Oh, I see what you're saying. Well that's certainly an interesting way of thinking about it. (Do you suffer from OCD?...kidding.)

Well I'm not nearly that picky about Valk schemes coming from the real world aircraft inspirations. That makes sense and there is certainly a logic behind your madness, I'll give you that, but as long as it's some kind of scheme that looks like practical military colours/camo then it works for me. I'd love to see the 21 in a YF-23, F-15, or any type of modern era real world scheme.

[Guest sh002]

anyone translate the japanese from the commercial yet?

[Lonely Soldier Boy]

anyone translate the japanese from the commercial yet?

What's to translate? "The amazing YF-21 from Macross Plus! Perfect transformation in all three modes! Fighter! Ziiiing! Gerwalk! Ziiing! Battroid! YF-19 also available to recreate the epic battles from the movie! (sold separately). Look out for the Macross Zero line of toys! Collect them all! (Yamato)."