eugimon Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Thats always another classic SF stuff up, having technology that is clearly going to take a VERY long time to develop in era's that are a little bit *too* close to the present day. ( In other words, budding SF authors, if you want to have humans with giant robots, battlecruisers, and really fancy ray guns, unless we get the technology from aliens, DONT set your story in 2015!) Taksraven yup yup. What's interesting is that if Cameron had planned ahead a little, the terminator universe actually has a handy built mechanism for explaining advanced technology in the near future. He could of had the first judgement day in the like 2050 or something with an old John Conner and then in T2, have judgement day moved up with a middle aged John because people reverse engineered the terminator that came back and so on. So with every sequel, the level of technology gets upgraded as present day scientists get their hands on progressively more complex technology from the future. Quote
taksraven Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 yup yup. What's interesting is that if Cameron had planned ahead a little, the terminator universe actually has a handy built mechanism for explaining advanced technology in the near future. He could of had the first judgement day in the like 2050 or something with an old John Conner and then in T2, have judgement day moved up with a middle aged John because people reverse engineered the terminator that came back and so on. So with every sequel, the level of technology gets upgraded as present day scientists get their hands on progressively more complex technology from the future. Just like Scotty "inventing" transparent aluminium in Star Trek IV! Taksraven Quote
bsu legato Posted January 4, 2009 Author Posted January 4, 2009 I think it demonstrates why Time Travel is such a dangerous plot device to use, Dangerous to nitpickety nerds, Commander; Not to this battle station. Er...normal viewers. Quote
bsu legato Posted January 4, 2009 Author Posted January 4, 2009 yup yup. What's interesting is that if Cameron had planned ahead a little, the terminator universe actually has a handy built mechanism for explaining advanced technology in the near future. He could of had the first judgement day in the like 2050 or something To be fair, 2029 probably seemed like a long way in the future, back in 1984. Quote
Warmaker Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) And the fact that these flashback/future war scenes are still a decade away from the point in the altered timeline means nothing, then? Huh....some people are really bizarrely selective when it comes to suspending disbelief. There's T-800s running around in the trailer, which were a later war development. Infiltrators overall were a later development, with the T-800s being the newest, best of these performing the role. Even the first movie blatantly says it with Reese's revelation of the future and describing the Terminators overall. I was griping originally about the guys producing the props and such as being lazy. Now thanks to you, I'm leaning also towards the writers being lazy since they're disregarding what's been established in the movies Edited January 8, 2009 by Warmaker Quote
eugimon Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 again... this is not the same future as seen in terminator and terminator 2 or terminator 3 or in the tv show.... it says so right in the beginning of the trailer. It's not laziness or whatever, it's just different. Even in terminator 2 and terminator 3 the characters talk about how the specifics regarding judgement day and the future war were changed. In the TV show, two characters outright speculate if they come from different timelines. when you change things in the past, it changes the future... it's kinda one of the basic plot points of the movies. You can't complain about them not sticking to continuity when the whole point of the movie is not sticking to continuity. Quote
Roger Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 again... this is not the same future as seen in terminator and terminator 2 or terminator 3 or in the tv show.... it says so right in the beginning of the trailer. Yes, but it's John saying it. And how would he know if he'd never been to the future? Quote
eugimon Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 Yes, but it's John saying it. And how would he know if he'd never been to the future? How would sarah know either for that matter. It's a throw away line designed to tell the audience not to get hung up on continuity. And even without that line, every terminator sequel including the TV show has made it clear that the specific events in the future gets affected and changed by what happens in the past. There's just no need to get hung up on continuity when it comes to terminator because it's pretty clear they aren't bound to the "rules" of special relativity time travel. Quote
Roger Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 All this kvetching about terminator hand weapons will pretty much evaporate when people see the movie. SKYNET LOVES US. Quote
eugimon Posted January 8, 2009 Posted January 8, 2009 All this kvetching about terminator hand weapons will pretty much evaporate when people see the movie. SKYNET LOVES US. with so much that looks questionable to this movie, I too am confused how we settled on plasma weapons as the one thing to hang our coats on. Quote
GobotFool Posted January 9, 2009 Posted January 9, 2009 Judgment day will be pushed back to infinity with every action they take to stop it until John Conner is in a retirement home and a T-800 walks up to him and says "come with me if you want to live." Quote
bsu legato Posted January 11, 2009 Author Posted January 11, 2009 Ugh....that's a bigger blow than the so-called absence of plasma weapons. Elfman may have been suited to Spider Man, but I just can't feel his style working on a Terminntor flick. Then again, it can't be anymore nondescript than Beltrami's score for T3. Quote
Isamu Starkiller Posted January 12, 2009 Posted January 12, 2009 This movie is in a very unique situation, it can actually be viewed as a Prequel or a sequel. If the terminator franchise turns into a 6 film saga with T4,5 and 6 taking place in the "future" and having Kyle sent to the past in 6 you could actualy watch them in two sequences T4-T5-T6-T1-T2-T3 or T1-T2-T3-T4-T5-T6 And it would create an infinity loop that mimicks the paradox of the time travel scenario within the storyline... Kinda cool... Quote
UN_MARINE Posted January 26, 2009 Posted January 26, 2009 so... we finally get decent, affordable terminator figures in 1/18 scale? to bring doom on the other 1/18 figures! looks like it's time for that machine army i always wanted. too bad they don't have the correct phased plasma rifle. Quote
Roger Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 too bad they don't have the correct phased plasma rifle. AGAIN with the friggin' plasma rifle!!! Some of the soundtrack has been leaked: http://www.quality-schnallity.com/mp3/terminator.mp3 Quote
EXO Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Not that I'm looking forward to this movie but this kinda sucks... Gizmodo has an article with designs and in one of the drawings it shows a terminator model named Markus and then in the next pic is a guy named Markus talking to John Connor.... uhhh gee, you think? http://i.gizmodo.com/photogallery/terminator4/1006604977 Quote
Letigre Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Not that I'm looking forward to this movie but this kinda sucks... Gizmodo has an article with designs and in one of the drawings it shows a terminator model named Markus and then in the next pic is a guy named Markus talking to John Connor.... uhhh gee, you think? http://i.gizmodo.com/photogallery/terminator4/1006604977 I thought the article was from Wired.. Gizmodo was just dumb enough to copy/paste them. Quote
wolfx Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Wow...the T-600 is huuuge? If someone the bulk of arnie is a T-800...i can't imagine what a T-600 is....... michael clarke duncan? Quote
Letigre Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Nah..Jesse Ventura. (... I watched "The Running Man" last night.. ) Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 More Terminator Toys The A-10 looks nice so long as you don't show the figure inside....whoa......more out of scale than the Rattler! At least the canopy isn't freaking huge, and the proportions are good. Quote
anime52k8 Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) More Terminator Toys The A-10 looks nice so long as you don't show the figure inside....whoa......more out of scale than the Rattler! At least the canopy isn't freaking huge, and the proportions are good. man that looks bad, this sucker looks awesome though http://api.ning.com/files/N6d58n31IGT9kDvD.../203214954.jpeg Edited February 2, 2009 by anime52k8 Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 man that looks bad, this sucker looks awesome though http://api.ning.com/files/N6d58n31IGT9kDvD.../203214954.jpeg It would be cool if a figure can fit in. Honestly though, the figures could be much better. Quote
Hikuro Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Well voice changing helmets are hot poo since the optimus prime one....so no real surprise that there's an endoskull coming out. THough I've seen better Endoskeleton hand prostetics from WAY WAY back. Quote
UN_MARINE Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 wow. they really used the Robocop 2 torso for the giant endo thing? yup. that pretty much nails the lazy production. those look a lot like props from a cheap sci-fi B movie to me. terrible. aside from the cheap props, the endo toys look pretty decent. i think i want a bunch of those T800's. a Terminator squad maybe. i hope those aren't the hard-to-find ones when they hit the retailers. Quote
wolfx Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I wonder do terminator endo toys sell much though. As a kid, i was really afraid of the endoskeletons and wouldn't even dream of buying the toys (if they had any). I wonder if these toys will be sold well to kids. Quote
Hikuro Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 I use to have several of them when the second movie came out. My mom spoiled me, i was one of those when I saw combiner transformers like the stunticons and what not, would have my mom go thru all the pegs to find all the figures so I could it the damn thing together. She would spend an hour and a half and bugging associates on getting that last piece. Sort of the same thing with Terminator figures, I was obsessed with the Endoskeleton so she would find me anything related to it including this like playset where you mix in some powder and water and you put one of these two endoskeletons into a mold container and poof you get slick slimey skin, then just peal it off for battle damage. Quote
chowyunskinny Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 you gotta hear this John Connor dropping honey bunches of F-Bombs....A.K.A. Christian Bale had a bad day on set Quote
wolfx Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Sort of the same thing with Terminator figures, I was obsessed with the Endoskeleton so she would find me anything related to it including this like playset where you mix in some powder and water and you put one of these two endoskeletons into a mold container and poof you get slick slimey skin, then just peal it off for battle damage. Woah....they have a toy like that??? Sounds pretty cool. Was it one of those Kenner toys? you gotta hear this John Connor dropping honey bunches of F-Bombs....A.K.A. Christian Bale had a bad day on set 0.o;; Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed..... Quote
UN_MARINE Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 wow. that's really something. angry angry Connorbale. i wanna know which scene this happens on i think the endo toys are gonna sell better this time around. they might not sell to kids, but they will to older fans. i remember the old T2 toys even had a 2nd run with them being marketed as the good guys. the good guy endos were gold & had a number or year tattooed on them, and the bad guys were... aliens. Quote
Roy Focker Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 wow. that's really something. angry angry Connorbale. i wanna know which scene this happens on It is the scene when he's beating up his mother, Sara Connor. Quote
macrossnake Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 It is the scene when he's beating up his mother, Sara Connor. It is the scene when he has to kiss the male Terminator! Quote
NightmareEX Posted February 3, 2009 Posted February 3, 2009 Noooooo....the Gotham City still needs you ! Quote
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