VEFR-1 "Funny Chinese"

[elintseeker]

hi guys

i just realise, that "funny chinese" is pretty cool to do the custom

anybody try it before?

i want to see picture of the custom

share it guys!

[Gundamhead]

hi guys

i just realise, that "funny chinese" is pretty cool to do the custom

anybody try it before?

i want to see picture of the custom

share it guys!

I had started work on a conversion kit about a year ago, but figured nobody'd be interested with the Elint readily available. There've been a few nice conversions done though.

[elintseeker]

elint? u mentioned about elint?

vefr-1 and ve-1 is the sama basic is it? only modified for different purpose is it?

[sketchley]

Nope.

The VEFR-1 is from SDF:M, and though based off of the VF-1, is entirely different! Instead of a head, it has a radome, instead of hands it has sensors.

The VE-1 is from DYRL, and is essentially a VF-1 with a different head (no weapons, expanded sensors) and special FAST packs (no weapons, but lots of sensors.)

As DYRL is supposed to be a movie produced in-series in the 2030s, one could say that the VE-1 was made post-SWI, whilst the VEFR-1 was made during SWI. As it only shows up near the end (the big battleTM) of SDF:M, one could say that it's a replacement for the Cats Eye Recon plane.

You could also say that the VEFR-1 is a modification to an existing plane built during wartime, whilst the VE-1 is a purpose designed plane built during peacetime.

The kicker is that the VE-1 could carry and use a gun pod, but it'd be impossible for the VEFR-1! (This is something that is done in the DYRL game for the PS1 and the SS.)

Links with images:

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/sdfmacross/vefr-1.htm

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/dyrl/ve-1.htm

Edited September 2, 2007 by sketchley

[elintseeker]

vefr-1 doesnt have a head, and they replace it with radome, so hows the pilot look/ see what happened outside?

elintseeker got a head, so they can look outside

and when you said, instead of hand, what it has is sensors...making it difficult to do this costum...anybody want to try this custom?

so when verf-1 in a battlefield, does it have escort?

Edited September 2, 2007 by elintseeker

[sketchley]

There are many cameras in different places on a standard VF. It's highly probably that the VEFR-1 has retained those cameras, added more, and has something under the radome.

For an example of the camera views available on a standard VF, there's a shot in an episode of SDF:M just after Breetai has bashed Hikaru Ichijo's VF in the head, and destroyed the cameras there. Judging by the angles, it looks like there are cameras in a VF's feet, amongst other places.

[big F]

When I saw this thread I though it was gonna be about male apendiges and tablets or something. Good to see its about a far better subject.

[Dante74]

Question.

Why would it be nessacery to make the VE-1 based on the VF-1 platform anyway? Wasn't the battroid mode for hand to hand combat? So why would a recon plane need to transform? It can do all the reconnaissance work in fighter mode can't it?

[elintseeker]

thats a good question, lets we hear whats the answer

my point of view is, maybe they want to save cost, thats why they build VE-1 base on VF-1 platform.

hand to hand combat maybe its not their speciality, atleast they can take someone gunpod or enemy's gun, and shoot them! if they're cornered. Cat's eye can't transform, and when cornered, they can't fight back and sure all shoot down. atleast ve-1, out of 10 cornered, 2 or 3 maybe still can't survive and come back, from cost point of view ve-1 far better.

and in fighter mode, elintseeker can't bring gunpod along, both of their hands carried sensors.

thats my point of view, a better explanation would be helpful

[jenius]

Here's how I understand, everyone correct me where I'm wrong:

1) VEFR-1 "Funny Chinese" was probably an attempt to replace the "sitting duck" Cat's Eye. Everything not essential was stripped and replaced with sensory equipment. Since it wasn't going to engage the enemy, just run from it, no attempt was made to give it a functional battroid mode.

2) I'm not sure when the VT-1 came into existence but it obviously leant itself better to the recon mode than the "Funny Chinese" craft. It could be adapted into a VE-1, packed with all the sensory equipment without the need to forego any of the VT-1 features (not specific to training). This also meant the VE-1 could theoretically be armed if a situation ever arose that was so dire it required it.

[Gundamhead]

The way I understood it, was the VEFR was an offensive ECM platform, actively fighting the enemy with ECM weapons. The Elint was more passive in it's role like a AWACS in keeping comms and formations together. Kinda like one jamming the enemies missiles and radar while the other coordinates the attack.

BTW, the VEFR does have a head under the dish similar to the Elint, but can't do FAST packs. That probably means it could fly in atmosphere.

The VEFR is based from a VF-1A-J-S frame with a VF-1D nose, while the Elint is based from the Ostrich.

Edited September 3, 2007 by Gundamhead

[elintseeker]

The way I understood it, was the VEFR was an offensive ECM platform, actively fighting the enemy with ECM weapons. The Elint was more passive in it's role like a AWACS in keeping comms and formations together. Kinda like one jamming the enemies missiles and radar while the other coordinates the attack.

BTW, the VEFR does have a head under the dish similar to the Elint, but can't do FAST packs. That probably means it could fly in atmosphere.

The VEFR is based from a VF-1A-J-S frame with a VF-1D nose, while the Elint is based from the Ostrich.

okie

getting interesting here, ECM platform? may i know what is that?(newbie here )

and in the DYRL movie, elintseeker only tells the enemy position rite? and misa hayase doing the coordinates attack, or misa only give coordinates to skull's team?? like to hikaru only...

if the elint's role is for formation attack, how many fighter under 1 elint's control?

and vefr-1 could fly in atmosphere, but without fast packs? means fast packas in for outer space?

one more, sorry for al the stupid questions, but i really want to know everything single detail here vf-1d nose, means 2 seater?

thanks guys

[sketchley]

ECM = Electronic Counter Measures.

I suggest a search for the best idea(s) of what that is.

All VFs can fly in both atmosphere and space. FAST packs are added in space to increase range, acceleration, and armament. The comment about FAST packs meant that the VEFR-1 can operate unchanged in both space and atmosphere, but the VE-1 can only operate in space, as FAST packs (it's sensor additions) cannot or are not (going by the anime), not the VF-X games) used in atmosphere.

Elintseeker not only finds the enemies' positions, but also assists in relaying information. Therefore there are no VFs under the Elintseeker's control, but without it acting as a relay, all VFs in a certain area would be without a link back to the SDF-1.

It's probably better to think of the Elintseeker as a mobile radar station able to go where the SDF-1 cannot go (behind a planet/asteroid/etc., deep into enemy lines) and also to help penetrate enemy ECM in an area.

[elintseeker]

thanks for the explanation

so whats vefr-1 color? i only see the line drawing so far...anybody have idea?

[MechTech]

I always thought the VEFR was a prototype or early model for the VE-1? It's in the Hobby Handbook 1 with all the other prototypes so I thought that. The lack of my Japanese language skills doesn't help either. - MT

[sketchley]

It shows up in SDF:M. If you have Macross Perfect Memory, flip to the pages on Bodolza's attack on Earth (or watch the anime, etc.). There's an image of the SDF-1 with VFs and Regults in front of it, and Zentraedi ships behind it. Look closely at the VFs in front of the leg on the left side. About halfway down is the VEFR-1.

Colourwise, it looks to be the same as the standard VF-1 (though, in that image, even the twanies are grey, like Skull squadron in shadow.) The radome (at least the edge of it) is a red colour.

The interesting thing about the above mentioned image is that there is another non-standard VF even lower than the fully visible VEFR-1. Only the top can be seen, and it looks like there is a small vertically mounted radome on the left, and a horizontal sensor on the right (directions are that of the viewer, not the vehicle.) I think I may have seen it somewhere else before. Something makes me think it's a VF in gerwalk, though I could be mistaken.

[elintseeker]

It shows up in SDF:M. If you have Macross Perfect Memory, flip to the pages on Bodolza's attack on Earth (or watch the anime, etc.). There's an image of the SDF-1 with VFs and Regults in front of it, and Zentraedi ships behind it. Look closely at the VFs in front of the leg on the left side. About halfway down is the VEFR-1.

Colourwise, it looks to be the same as the standard VF-1 (though, in that image, even the twanies are grey, like Skull squadron in shadow.) The radome (at least the edge of it) is a red colour.

The interesting thing about the above mentioned image is that there is another non-standard VF even lower than the fully visible VEFR-1. Only the top can be seen, and it looks like there is a small vertically mounted radome on the left, and a horizontal sensor on the right (directions are that of the viewer, not the vehicle.) I think I may have seen it somewhere else before. Something makes me think it's a VF in gerwalk, though I could be mistaken.

argh...i don't have any, book or the anime, i must buy it then! how much the book cost you? is it way superb expensive?

now you make me want to see whats the other valk that you mentioned...i believe someone posted the picture of that scene before, anybody??

[elintseeker]

i got it, here is the picture

too small, but wheres the other "secret" valk in the picture???

[sketchley]

Directly below the VEFR-1/green circle, at about the bottom of the SDF-1's foot. You can just barely make out a canopy. Everything below that is cut off (both this, and the one in the book.)

I picked the book up here in Japan at Mandarake, for ￥4,200. I can't remember if that's including sales tax or not (currently 5% and must be included in the sticker price by law.) It's a rare book (not always in stock in the Macross section whenever I can check,) but I don't think the price will have increased much, if at all.

The copy I picked up is the OUT10月号, if that means anything to you.

[jipe]

Not great, but more large...

[elintseeker]

wow!

thanks...

so could you take the "secret" valk picture? the one that sketchley mention

thanks a lot

[jipe]

There are other strange valks on this poster (discussed in an other topic a long time ago). I don't know if there is the one that sketchley is talking about.

I would like to have the time to scratch and built some of those ones....

a veteran ? without legs and tails !

with (supposed) missiles on the tails (there are another picture of this model somewhere)

a really cool one (don't know the name. Anyone has an idea ?)

???!!!

[elintseeker]

THANKS!!!!

appreciate that jipe

the 3rd valkyrie, is cool design, i like valk with all those radome, now i have verf-1 and that one, i want to try to do some custom

the first pic, looks like SU-27 flanker, does it?

the 2nd picture, looks like f-15 in the gobots series, bulky and not nice

but the last picture, is it something like bomber? see the wings, it carrying a lot of rockets there...

[jipe]

THANKS!!!!

appreciate that jipe

the 3rd valkyrie, is cool design, i like valk with all those radome, now i have verf-1 and that one, i want to try to do some custom

the first pic, looks like SU-27 flanker, does it?

the 2nd picture, looks like f-15 in the gobots series, bulky and not nice

but the last picture, is it something like bomber? see the wings, it carrying a lot of rockets there...

A Flanker in space, I don't think. For the first, we can see those 8 white things ? ... but where are the tails and the legs ?

For the last, well... maybe one arm on the left side... A valk into transformation ?

But that's certainly only animation mistakes... Think to the guy who was drawing all those boring Valk on the picture !!!

Another one for your custom (from TIA 3 page 98):

[big F]

As for the first pic that looks abit like the Dark Valk as discussed in anothe thread at the mo.

The second one I have some line art in one of my books showing a Valk with misiles atached to the tail fins in fighte rmode.

[sketchley]

This is the one I was referring to. The source image is also more complete than the image in Perfect Memory.

If anything, I'd say this is the halfway step between the VF-1 and the VE-1; as it's got FAST packs, and the stuff on the back are definitely FAST packs!

[PetarB]

I may be able to clear this up. That particular airframe is actually the Crusher Joe Pinnace Fighter! I can only presume that it's because Kawamori was involved in the design of a lot of the Crusher Joe mecha and the Macross valks that this was put in as an 'in-joke'.*

*Currently I am actually in the process of mastering this fighter as a 1/72 scale to fit in with the other hasegawa valks. You can see my progress here. Should be available Q4 2007)

[warpaint22]

This is the one I was referring to. The source image is also more complete than the image in Perfect Memory.

Does anyone have any line art of this VF variant? this would look great with an elintseeker.

[orguss01]

Good job PetarB on the mastering of that Crusher Joe fighter. Funny i got into Crusher Joe before i realized who did the mecha. I didnt find that out until recently..

[big F]

That particular airframe is actually the Crusher Joe Pinnace Fighter! I can only presume that it's because Kawamori was involved in the design of a lot of the Crusher Joe mecha and the Macross valks that this was put in as an 'in-joke'.*

So its the Macross Equivalent to the Sneaker in ROTJ.

[elintseeker]

Does anyone have any line art of this VF variant? this would look great with an elintseeker.

r u going to make this custom?? pre-VE-1, i think it would be damn cool, i wish we can see the side looks of it, so atleast we have the idea of how the fast packs looks like for this variant valk (we should come out with name for it please!)

im going to buy 1/72 scale AWACS plane, and take the radome out ...but how big is the radome? is it big enough for vefr-1? any idea guys?

[jipe]

Don't you think the radome of the VEFR is the same of the elint ?

I like a lot the one with the green radome. Great for sure with a VEFR-1 or a VE-1. But about the part on the right (half green): is it round like a ball or a circle like a plate ? Difficult to see from front.

[elintseeker]

Don't you think the radome of the VEFR is the same of the elint ?

I like a lot the one with the green radome. Great for sure with a VEFR-1 or a VE-1. But about the part on the right (half green): is it round like a ball or a circle like a plate ? Difficult to see from front.

it seems like a ball for me, but why a ball shape?? looks funny...if plate, sure there is something in the middle of it, like cone or something like that.

[VF5SS]

This is the VEFR-1 scanned from the Macross Hobby Manual.

[Hiriyu]

This is the VEFR-1 scanned from the Macross Hobby Manual.

I was going to up that one too, but my scanner is on the fritz.

The VEFR is one of the oddball in-between valks. It is a two seater, but has a single-seater style chestplate, but maintains some of the other VF-1D details. As an earlier post here stated, it does have a head unit, similar to that of the VE-1. It was originally a fan-created custom model kit - I think there are pics of the actual model in the first Macross Plastic Model Manual book.