Got my 1st 1/48 Valk today

[thegunny]

I got my first 1/48 Valk today and I have to say I'm TOTALLY underwhelmed

I've got all the 1/60 Valks and apart from the annoying habit of falling apart when you handle them (which is not really an issue as I only display them) I have to ask why everyone goes banana's over the 1/48's

The 1/48 has the feel and look of a plastic toy and is lighter than a 1/60 even though it's bigger. The fact that the legs don't fall off when you handle it doesn't in my mind justify the rediculous price they sell for. Fortunately I got this one at a good price but I certainly won't be getting anymore.

You may now proceed to stone the heritic

[Dante74]

Where to begin;

Better sculpt. (IMO you can't beat the 1/48 fighter mode. It's spot on)

More detail.

Bigger (is better )

Sturdier.

Less die-cast (is less paint chipping)

Landing gear that doesn't fold in when you look at it the wrong way.

Did I mention the sculpt?

The only down side to the 1/48's is the fact that they're not in scale with the other Valks Yamato has released.

[Alain]

Agree with dante....Bigger is better. the scuplt is anime accurate. since I also display them, I dont care if they are lighter or heavier, less diecast etc...as long as they look FANTASTIC!

[Dangard Ace]

God not this again. 1/60=good(scale I prefer). 1/48=good(won't go out of my way to buy every variant, just the ones I like).

1/48 preferred by majority of MW (because 90% of us are Yamato's bitches. 8% are spammers. 2% are >EXO< fans).

1/60 seems to be preferred by other robot toy connoisseur websites ie places where people collect other toys beyond Macross.

[eugimon]

Aw, it's okay, in a few short months, we'll have the SV-51 to batty and complain about and all will be right with the world. But for now, let's just enjoy the batty fest re-runs here in the toy forms.

Quick, somebody start a thread on how greedy yamato is for not giving us swappable heads on the 1/48s and *making* us buy the hikaru 1s variant. bastards!

[kensei]

Aw, it's okay, in a few short months, we'll have the SV-51 to batty and complain about and all will be right with the world. But for now, let's just enjoy the batty fest re-runs here in the toy forms.

Quick, somebody start a thread on how greedy yamato is for not giving us swappable heads on the 1/48s and *making* us buy the hikaru 1s variant. bastards!

I blame >EXO<.

[Matt Random]

1/48 pros for me...

- Bigger, better positioned head (not so buried in the shoulders)

- Sleeker battroid

- Sleeker jet

- Nicer cockpit detail

- Cockpit can be displayed open

- Better pilot figure

- Missiles don't fall off when I look at them

- Battroid holds together better (no shoulder popping)

- Finish is consistent since there is no mix of metal and plastic

- Don't have to go looking for parts when I want to transform it

- Gun pod is meatier

- Beautiful fast packs

- Fast pack thrusters don't set too high in jet mode

1/48 cons...

- Price

- Takes more space to display

- Weighs less than I'd prefer

- Weak wrists

[EXO]

God not this again. 1/60 good(scale I prefer). 1/48 good(won't go out of my way to buy every variant, just the ones I like).

1/48 preferred by majority of MW (because 90% of us are Yamato's bitches. 8% are spammers. 2% are >EXO< fans).

1/60 seems to be preferred by other robot toy connoisseur websites ie places where people collect other toys beyond Macross.

hey! you're math is werser than my english... the 2%(Danguard Ace included) and 1/60 fans are also Yamato's bitches...SUCKA!!!

[jenius]

So, besides weight/metal (which causes chipping), what does the 1/60 have going for it? Price I suppose. Then you have amputee pilots, useless landing gears, screw covers that flake off, swappable parts including the heat shield, and far less detail.

[Dangard Ace]

So, besides weight/metal (which causes chipping), what does the 1/60 have going for it? Price I suppose. Then you have amputee pilots, useless landing gears, screw covers that flake off, swappable parts including the heat shield, and far less detail.

Was wondering when you'd show up to do your usual I hate 1/60 VF-1 bitching.

Repeat above: Good god not this again.

hey! you're math is werser than my english... the 2%(Danguard Ace included) and 1/60 fans are also Yamato's bitches...SUCKA!!!

Hey! I could've said the 8% spammers were >EXO< fans as well! Actually come to think of it all those spam threads did have the lines.... "Accept no substitutes. All products were produced, tested, and recommended by >EXO<".

[mister_e]

If you honestly don't feel the urge to throw all of your 1/60's in the garbage after owning and handling a 1/48, then I truly envy you. You will save yourself a lot of money by not buying all of the other 1/48's. I liked my 1/60's for a short while after purchasing my first 1/48, but then I began to like them less and less and, eventually, sold them all off.

There are only two areas in which I think the 1/60 beats the 1/48:

1. In battroid, the 1/48's chest seems a bit too wide, whereas the 1/60 seems just about right

2. The 1/60 line has two seaters and 1/48 does not

[jenius]

Was wondering when you'd show up to do your usual I hate 1/60 VF-1 battying.

Repeat above: Good god not this again.

Do share, am I yamato's batty, a spammer, or an EXO fan? Interesting that in a conversation pitting two Yammy products against each other people would prefer one over the other because they're blind Yamato fans. Rest assured, when that product stops sucking I'll start supporting it.

[Dangard Ace]

Do share, am I yamato's batty, a spammer, or an EXO fan?

Do you devotedly support one of Yamato's lines? Then you're a bitch. Spammer? You haven't tried to sell any Viagra on this forum yet so I'm forced to say, "No". As for the last, Hey >EXO< is he one of your fans?

Interesting that in a conversation pitting two Yammy products against each other people would prefer one over the other because they're blind Yamato fans.

Ooo....hit a nerve there did I? (prod prod)

Rest assured, when that product stops sucking I'll start supporting it.

[pfunk]

LOL,

The only complaints I have for 1/48's are the time it takes to transform,,,,but i refuse to have removable parts. so that in mind, for the best sculpt and not having to remove parts, thats what makes a 1/48 awesome.

now for playablity and extreme ease of transformation,,,,,,bandai 1/55 or the MPC 1/55 if you dont mind breaking chit,,,,,and yes, Im a fan of <EXO>

[Valkyrie addict]

I like the 1/60, have a soft spot for them like a lot of people have for the old 1/55's and I'm a total scale freak, I want them all on the right scale, but I have to say the 1/48 is one of Yamato's best, only thing I'm not fond of them is the bubble canopy and the hanging shoulder arms like testicles on fighter mode

[drifand]

1/48 is best for fighter and gerwalk modes... in battroid they suck because of the compromises made for the fighter proportions. Many feel that this should be the case because if the VF-1 was 'real', the fighter mode should take precedence.

But for folks like me who prefer the battroid mode overall, the 1/60 does it better. Nor does its fighter or gerwalk mode look BAD in the way the 1/48's battroid does. No, it doesn't mean the 1/60 is 'best'... it's got lots of required mods to make it play nice, and even then, the 'no-grip' hip-pegs are a really LAZY design solution. I just think the 1/48 is a very good execution of a flawed design. (And conversely, the 1/60 is a sup-par execution of what could've been a really great design.)

Edited April 17, 2007 by drifand

[Hurin]

I got a 1/60 Roy VF-1S before the 1/48 was available. I always thought it looked funny (especially in battroid).

When they released 1/48 VF-1s, I got one. And just thought it looked nearly perfect in every way. So, I bought every one of them from that point on.

I got a pair of cannon fodders and the VF-1J Super in 1/60 scale because I wasn't sure if they would be made in 1/48. When they were, I sold them.

But, I keep my 1/60 Roy because every once in a while, I get tempted to "complete" my 1/60 collection when I read about them here, or see the Super-O or Elint. When that happens, I just open up my 1/60 Roy, look at its tiny head, heatshield clippy part, and odd legs (etc.). . . and I'm cured. Whenever I see my 1/60 and compare it to my 1/48s, I just can't imagine buying any more 1/60s.

Just one collector's opinion. To each their own.

H

[Mr March]

No stoning required

I'm sorry you didn't like the 1/48. I don't purchase toys, models or similar fan merchandise in large quantities, but I do like to splurge on a worthwhile toy and I must say I think the 1/48 was a great purchase. IMO, the 1/48 looks better than the 1/60 because the sculpt is better, it has better articulation and is better to handle because it's that much better constructed. If the 1/60 was all that existed, I'd be happy with it, but the 1/48 came out and I was thrilled. I guess that explains why so many love the 1/48, myself included.

So I guess the moral of the story is, don't buy another one

[EXO]

mmmm.... SPAM....

[Nani?!]

I had the entire 1/60 vf-1 series but sold it upon getting my hikaru vf-1s with additional strike parts.

Since I would love to keep a consistent scale going, I'd definitely buy them all over again if yamato made a redesigned 1/60 line... (which according to graham seems unlikely).

[UN Spacy]

Ummmmm. Have you guys SEEN the 1/60 VF-1S head?

Enough said.

[mister_e]

Ummmmm. Have you guys SEEN the 1/60 VF-1S head?

Enough said.

lol. Yeah, but the 1A and 1J heads aren't bad.

[Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0]

The thing that sold me was perfect transformation. For me, it increased playability over the 1/60 tenfold.

At the time, the transformation itself was the most complex yamato had ever designed, yet at the same time, a breeze. I still don't get why people are afraid to touch the thing. From what I hear, its more durable then the newer 1/60 yamato releases(busted VF-0 arms, YF-19 hinge unless you mod it according to forums).

Its a durable toy, detailed as hell, and as of yet, Yamato's the only company whose had the balls to do such a thing to the VF-1's design. So until another company trumps them, the 1/48 is the only valkyrie toy of that level of detail that is perfect variable.

And...what? I thought there was some bandai battyes to?

[Black Valkyrie]

[tom64ss]

-Intergrated heatshield

-They're ALL fastpack compatable, the FPs weren't an afterthought like the 1/60s

-All have pilots too

-Cockpits open, don't just snap off

-Better head sculpts, all around. The 1/60 VF-1S is just particlarly fugly

-Less metal (less paint chipping, less worry when I put it on a glass shelf)

-Missles/pods actually stay on wings

-No all important tiny parts to lose, (nosecone plug) if they have to give you an extra one, it's too easily lost.

I do like the 1/60s size, but that's about it

[TheLoneWolf]

I agree to a certain extent. Comparing the battroid lineart to the 1/60 and 1/48 VF-1's, the 1/60 battroid is overall more accurate. Comparing fighter mode, both VF-1's are pretty accurate except that the 1/48's nosecone seems to a little too thick. By comparison, the 1/60's nosecone is a little too thin. Since I like my fighters sleek I prefer to go with the 1/60. The 1/60 also comes stock with normal sized fists/hands, unlike the rat claws that the 1/48 comes with.

Where the 1/60 falls short is the transformation. The mandatory removal of the legs and canopy/heatshield during transformation are two huge black eyes on the 1/60. The leg attachment in gerwalk mode is very flimsy, another drawback of the removable legs. The "S" head is also pretty crappy, but like Mister E said, the "A" and "J" heads are quite good. In fact, I prefer the 1/60 "J" head over the 1/48 "J" head as the chin is more pronounced.

Overall the 1/60 makes for a good hybrid between the models and toys. Look fantastic in each mode and you don't have to paint & assemble it, but you won't have fun transforming and posing it. Also, with the 1/60 being the current definitive Macross scale, you have plenty of other mecha to stand beside it. OTOH, the 1/48's transformation is perfect and is very posable in each mode. It's accuracy to the lineart is excellent in fighter & gerwalk, but a little dissappointing in battroid. It's also bigger to boot. Sadly the 1/48 scale is exclusive to the VF-1 and I highly doubt Yamato will ever produce other Macross mecha in this scale (if they were to make a 1/48 YF-19, it'd probably come close to being as tall as Fortress Maximus at 2x the cost). I like both toys, but I'll have to give the edge to the 1/48.

[Godzilla]

THE HERETIC MUST DIE! Where's my energy sword and plasma grenades? Sorry had to use references from Halo... listening to the Halo soundtrack . Back on topic:

1/48s are great since they are (to me) truly in line with anime. No anime magic like pulling the cockpit cover and place the heat shield over it or pull the legs apart or the blockiness of the chunky monkey. Yes, I agree it is expensive as hell which is the only drawback IMHO.

[protodeviln]

Lonewolf said

"Overall the 1/60 makes for a good hybrid between the models and toys. Look fantastic in each mode and you don't have to paint & assemble it, but you won't have fun transforming and posing it."

Ummmmm..........why wouldn't you have fun posing it?

I love posing my 1/60's.......the 1/60's imo give great anime poses.

[yellowlightman]

I've just started getting into the 1/48 fold, after picking up a Stealth this summer but I think I can relate to why some people just don't understand the 1/48.

It's expensive, and for most people you can get the same effect from lesser (cheaper) toys. But for those that want a near perfect, highly detailed representation of the VF-1... you have to get a 1/48. For those not in that mindset, it comes off as a bit silly. Such as my friend at Anime Expo who didn't understand why I'd buy a 1/48 when I could get lots of other VF-1 toys at much cheaper prices.

Most people are happy with regular cars... some people want Ferrari's.

[RichyX]

im actually collecting all the 1/60s at the moment

only reason i am is my first was the cannon fodder 1/60 and liked it alot, never even knew what it was when i bought it and was quite surprised about the legs!

but since then ive got a couple more, all the 2 seaters, elint,vf-1d and ostrich, also dyrl ikaru, 11-fb?, another cf and also the gbp armour pack

as im in the uk its very hard to get macross and most of my stuff comes from usa or japan, and have bought some stuff off users off here aswell

the 1/60 i think does look rather good but thats my opinion, once i get all the 16/60s i will then move onto the 1/48s as i do like the 1/48s espically the perfect transformation like the 1/60 11-fb is it, proberbly the only one ive seen so far that the legs dont come off

but i supose its down to personal preference on what you like and what you collect after all 1 day these will be very hard to get hold of just like the bandai so i kind of see it as its worth collecting

[jenius]

-Missles/pods actually stay on wings

Well.... unless you have the Reflex missiles which do a terrible job of staying attached. In general, I think Yamato is still learning when it comes to making missiles that affix to wings properly but I will say the 1/48 is an improvement over the 1/60.

I love posing my 1/60's.......the 1/60's imo give great anime poses.

I like posing my 1/60s but they have some problems. 1) The hips don't have anything keeping them in the nosecone so if you're getting too dynamic the leg will just plop out and crash to the floor (this is especially true with the GBP attached). 2) The balance is a bit off, it's not hard to get the toy into a position where it wants to topple. 3) There's a limitation on shoulder movement if you don't employ a mod. 4) the position of the swivel joint at the knee renders it useless with super armor attached.

[ruskiiVFaussie]

the VT VE and 1D are the only things going for the 1/60 line imo.

Battroid mode SUX for all of them, only in fighter and gerwalk i get any pleasure from looking at them.

Bloody weird south australians that's all i can say. :P

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Maybe they should redo the 1/60 for scale freaks?

The lightness of the 1/48 is good. It may feel cheap because of it, but no worry of joints getting more stessed especially when you put on gbp armor.

They got to improve the hands. Give the people some fixed posed robot hands that are slightly larger than the chicken hands, have a stronger joint, and ability to peg the gun pod into the palm. Something like smaller versions of gbp hands. And by default the extra GBP armor side pieces should come free with the stand alone valk. Come on yamato give us some value. (not a batty just a suggestion )

[GobotFool]

Ultimately the 1/48 is about those people with a perfect transformation fetish. Some people have a serious die cast fetish, or vinyl fetish (this one I seriously don't get. dang perverts! ) Any whoo, the 1/48 is all about detail and perfect transformation. True, the battroid is not perfect, but neither is it really that bad. You’re never going to get a perfect transformation TOY Valkyrie that is perfectly proportioned in all modes because so much anime magic goes into the VF-1's transformation. I say toy, because a few models have almost pulled properly proportioned VF-1s, but if you ever look at the transformation sequences these involve parts that are really teeny and fragile.

[Hiriyu]

I got my first 1/48 Valk today and I have to say I'm TOTALLY underwhelmed

...

You may now proceed to stone the heritic

You know, I had the same reaction when I picked up my first 1/48 (a first-issue Hikaru 1A). My expectations had been raised quite high by all I was told. I traded it off to a member here within 6 hours of ownership. I really didn't like it that much. The 'feel' just wasn't there for me. It was quite a change for a diecast fan like myself.

Later on I began to think that maybe I hadn't given it a fair enough shake, and picked up the CF when it was produced (the CF is one of my favorite valks). Knowing what I was getting to into a little better, I warmed to it, and now I have several of them. They really are very nice overall in terms of sculpt, and they display very nicely. I just refrain from handling them too often