dna Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 I guess I'll have to see Reloaded one of these days. I have to say that after I saw the first Matrix this past July, alot more of the (in)jokes on the internet made sense. Quote
Uxi Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 (edited) Zion was small, producing enough food and clothes from a single city to feed billions Billions? Where did you get billions? Morpheus clearly implies there are only 250,000 people in Zion. As he says the 250,000 Sentinels coming in are "machine thinking" of one for every "man, woman, and child" of Zion. Edited October 17, 2003 by Uxi Quote
Wes Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 Zion was small, producing enough food and clothes from a single city to feed billions Billions? Where did you get billions? Morpheus clearly implies there are only 250,000 people in Zion. As he says the 250,000 Sentinels coming in are "machine thinking" of one for every "man, woman, and child" of Zion. He's talking about the people inside the Matrix. I heard from someone that games are planned to go on after the events of the movies, like a MMORPG or something. My guess is allong his lines: yeah, you defeated the machines, but if you just shut down the Matrix, the billions of people connected couldn't last off the resouces Zion can provide, plus many wouldn't enjoy leaving that comfortable world for the real post-appocalypic one. So they turn off the human-farms, but leave on the Matrix, slowly waking the people up that they can. Quote
91WhiskeyM6 Posted October 17, 2003 Author Posted October 17, 2003 Mmmmm.. I think he meant enough to feed a billion people deespite the 250K POP. Quote
GobotFool Posted October 17, 2003 Posted October 17, 2003 (edited) Cool poster: I don't care if the movie sucks, as long as McFarlen makes cool toys out of these APU's also damn thinking about this I wish he would make a power loader. Edited October 17, 2003 by GobotFool Quote
Isamu Atreides 86 Posted October 18, 2003 Posted October 18, 2003 Cool poster: I don't care if the movie sucks, as long as McFarlen makes cool toys out of these APU's also damn thinking about this I wish he would make a power loader. he needs to makes some USCM figures first. but McFarlane figs of that mech would rock! Quote
uminoken Posted October 18, 2003 Posted October 18, 2003 Zion was small, producing enough food and clothes from a single city to feed billions Billions? Where did you get billions? Morpheus clearly implies there are only 250,000 people in Zion. As he says the 250,000 Sentinels coming in are "machine thinking" of one for every "man, woman, and child" of Zion. He's talking about the people inside the Matrix. I heard from someone that games are planned to go on after the events of the movies, like a MMORPG or something. My guess is allong his lines: yeah, you defeated the machines, but if you just shut down the Matrix, the billions of people connected couldn't last off the resouces Zion can provide, plus many wouldn't enjoy leaving that comfortable world for the real post-appocalypic one. So they turn off the human-farms, but leave on the Matrix, slowly waking the people up that they can. Ooooh, I like that ending....you get some closure and a sense of hope and a way to milk the movies even more for games/books/toys/tv shows et ecetra Actually I think that's the best way to take the thrid movie that won't tick off everyone. You get the hope that humanity will survive, but you also get a bit of continued pathos for humanity which seemed to be the trend of the first movie, unlike the "humans deserved it" message of 2nd Ren Quote
Nied Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 Ooooh, I like that ending....you get some closure and a sense of hope and a way to milk the movies even more for games/books/toys/tv shows et ecetra Actually I think that's the best way to take the thrid movie that won't tick off everyone. You get the hope that humanity will survive, but you also get a bit of continued pathos for humanity which seemed to be the trend of the first movie, unlike the "humans deserved it" message of 2nd Ren I don't know if that was truely the message behind the Second Renesaince. I always thought of it as a view of that same pathos only flipped around to the macine perspective. Just take 2nd Ren for what it was presented as: a historical archive made by the machines with all the bias' and blatant propogandizing that come with it. Quote
GreatMoose Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 A question (after re-watching Reloaded): Has anyone actually done the math on how long the matrix has been around? Consider: 1) Morpheus states in the pre-orgy speech that they have been fighting the machines for 100 years. Great. 2) Morpheus mentions in the first movie that it is roughly 2199. Super. 3) The architect says that there have been 6 matrices. OKay.... 4) Now, if you figure that each matrix last roughly the same amount of time, would that mean that the year is actually closer to 2699, not 2199? Either that, or the rebuilt Zion mentions the total length of time, but excludes some pretty major happenings (systemic anomolies, destruction of previous Zions, etc...). Also, I was curious about Neo's thoughts when the Merovingian mentions his "Predecessors". Oh well, guess I'll have to wait till November. Quote
Mr March Posted October 19, 2003 Posted October 19, 2003 (edited) A question (after re-watching Reloaded): Has anyone actually done the math on how long the matrix has been around? Consider:1) Morpheus states in the pre-orgy speech that they have been fighting the machines for 100 years. Great. 2) Morpheus mentions in the first movie that it is roughly 2199. Super. 3) The architect says that there have been 6 matrices. OKay.... 4) Now, if you figure that each matrix last roughly the same amount of time, would that mean that the year is actually closer to 2699, not 2199? Either that, or the rebuilt Zion mentions the total length of time, but excludes some pretty major happenings (systemic anomolies, destruction of previous Zions, etc...). Also, I was curious about Neo's thoughts when the Merovingian mentions his "Predecessors". Oh well, guess I'll have to wait till November. Remember, Morpheus did say that it's "closer" to 2199 and that no human really knows just how long it has been. In fact - like the architect said (assuming he's truthful) - the Matrix is much older than any human suspects. If the machines permit Zion to start over with only 23 humans each time, it'll take much longer than just 100 years to reach a population of 250,000 people (even factoring infant mortality rates, freeing people from the matrix, and any external enviromental impacts). Assuming the architect is telling the truth...and that's a big assumption. Also, the Matrix always remains. The Matrix was redesigned by the architect twice, but it was not destroyed when the systemic anomaly (Neo and his predecessors) reaches the source each of those six times. The Matrix continues, but the human rebellion and Zion starts over...in that semi-controlled fashion. This is how those rogue programs in the Matrix (the Merovingian, the Oracle, etc) are able to exist for so long. If the Matrix was destroyed each time, those programs would be destroyed along with it. But the Merovingian specifically said he had encountered Neo's predecessors and the architect said the same thing. This is probably as close to the truth as we can get at this point. Edited October 19, 2003 by Mr March Quote
Jolly Rogers Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Heads up, Warner did a screening and all 3 reviewers (who all hated Reloaded) had nothing but praise for Revolution. Matrix Revolution reactions Good to hear that the "matrix within matrix" concept was not used after all. Quote
bsu legato Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Hmmm....should we call "plant" on this one? It is AICN, after all.... <_ Quote
Anubis Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Couple of interesting pictures:Machine City: Actually, that is the Matrix itself, where everyone is plugged into, with the human farm in front of it. Quote
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