JsARCLIGHT Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 "YacoLog spoke to Aoshima and was told that due to fallout from the recent quality-control problems they had with their Shin Seiki Gokin Legioss toys, they have cancelled development of the Tread "Beta" Fighter designed to dock with them. Looks like CM's is now the only game in town." This is my surprised face: I have a feeling the only people who did not see this coming were blind beggars on the streets of Calcutta... then again they don't see anything coming anyway.
promethuem5 Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Wow... not entirely surprised, but at least we finally get a clear answer on the subject.
mechaninac Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 If you lower yourself to deal with a$$h0le$, don't be surprised if you end up covered in $h!t. Aoshima should have known better and have nobody to blame but themselves; after all, it only pays to re-badge another manufacturer's product as your own if that product was a quality item in the first place, and it appears that their version is plagued with even more problems than the original. It's a shame about the Beta, but entirely understandable.
Lynx7725 Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 You got to wonder though, if Aoshima did do their due diligence and inspected the product before signing the deal, what kind of sweeteners did Toynami sell to get Aoshima to ink the contract..
jenius Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Sweetners? Toynami? Toynami said "We can produce this toy for next to nothing." Aoshima being like any greed-based company (it's the best way for a company to be) said "Eh, what's the worst that can happen." Then Aoshima go the worst that could happen and realized they'd made a mistake.
Lynx7725 Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Sweetners? Toynami? Toynami said "We can produce this toy for next to nothing." Aoshima being like any greed-based company (it's the best way for a company to be) said "Eh, what's the worst that can happen." Then Aoshima go the worst that could happen and realized they'd made a mistake. I don't quite buy that (but it certainly could have happened). Aoshima has been around the block for ages, they shouldn't have been lured in by just the potential profits alone -- they should be aware that there can be pitfalls (a rather big one in this case). Or perhaps they're just not used to dealing with foreign toy producers? Who knows..
Alpha OTS Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 Were the hands on the Aoshima made of the same craptastic splitting cracking plastic that the Toynami had?
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 No, they're made from hard plastic, but apparently they molded them in the wrong color, so they're painted gray which creates a whole new set of problems.
Mog Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Must get thread back to talking about CM's Tread......... Toynami, much like their website, is dead to me. Why waste our efforts (or our scorn) on them anymore? Any new pics from CM's? Especially a side profile shot of the fighter combo?
Hiriyu Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 I don't quite buy that (but it certainly could have happened). Aoshima has been around the block for ages, they shouldn't have been lured in by just the potential profits alone -- they should be aware that there can be pitfalls (a rather big one in this case). Or perhaps they're just not used to dealing with foreign toy producers? Who knows.. Actually, the need to deal with foreign [read: Chinese National] manufacturers is really pretty prevalent today in almost any industry, though it is surprising that a company like Aoshima should run afoul of issues like this. You really would think that they would know better.
Godzilla Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 This is my surprised face: I have a feeling the only people who did not see this coming were blind beggars on the streets of Calcutta... then again they don't see anything coming anyway. After seeing the review of the Aoshima Alphas, it is no surprise here.
do not disturb Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 i'd complain but its one less POS of theirs i'd have to own.
eugimon Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 i'd complain but its one less POS of theirs i'd have to own. so true.
Ignacio Ocamica Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 I'm still surprised how toynami can survive this long, considering how they keep f u c k i n g up!!!! I want the CM legioss/Tread now
Fort Max Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 CM's have got nothing to worry about now so in theory at least they shouldn't have to rush it or cut corners etc.
Kyp Durron Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 REGIOSU! The fighter mode still looks like crap, and the arms are too Goddamned close together as well. Looks like I'm not going to be selling my Toynami Legioss anytime soon. :-\ -Kyp
Mog Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 The fighter mode still looks like crap, and the arms are too Goddamned close together as well. Looks like I'm not going to be selling my Toynami Legioss anytime soon. :-\ -Kyp Unfortunately, that Toynami Alpha isn't gonna have any Beta backup anytime soon (if ever). But I agree with Fort Max, with Toynami bowing out once again, I hope CM's takes its time to iron out whatever lingering issues and sculpt problems they still have. No need to rush things too hastily.
eugimon Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 I'm still surprised how toynami can survive this long, considering how they keep f u c k i n g up!!!! I want the CM legioss/Tread now while they might be reviled here, a lot of people buy their toys. As long as people buy their stuff, toynami has no incentive to raise their game. <shrug>
Mog Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 ^^True, but there's also the MASSIVE opportunity costs they're missing out on. While waiting for them to release a Beta, most of my money's been going to Yamato and other toy companies (instead of supporting Toynami). On the product side of things, they could have easily released a limited-run TV Max 1A, but they didn't. And I have no idea if they ever released their Shadow-Chronicle variant Alpha (nor do I personally care). It's probably true that Toynami has no incentive to raise their game. But likewise, thanks to their constant inaction, I too have no incentive to either consider or buy their products. ....Except for that big vaporware/"We keep making excuses for why we won't make it" item to the left.
jenius Posted December 10, 2007 Posted December 10, 2007 Toynami seems to be a very small company all things considered. It would appear they completely shut down their upcoming operations once they finalized their deal with Aoshima. This must have been necessary because Aoshima apparently wanted all Legioss variants to be available simultaneously. We've seen with every MPC release that it really does take Toynami a long time to do something as simple as a paint alteration (which hasn't really killed them since that makes sense from a marketing stand point). My guess is they put Shadow Chronicles toys on hold while they reworked the Alpha MPC ever so slightly and then spent one month creating the blue Legioss in sufficient numbers, another for the red, and another for the green. Somehow it seems to have taken them a full six months just to satisfy that agreement and have enough on hand for Aoshima to start selling them all. Since they do have such limited production abilities this must keep their costs tiny and enables them to stay afloat despite selling such mediocre product. It's a real shame, they're the kid in college with the "c's get degrees!" mentality that wonders why a huge company doesn't throw a fat salary at them when they're done.
Mechafan Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Oh Yeah! They look alright to me. I going to have to add them to my list.
Lynx7725 Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Looks decent. I'm not too happy about the Legioss' chest and arm thrusters, but I think they are things I can live with. The hands though, might be a bit fragile. The weird way to attach the gunpod in fighter is a bit off though. 29,400 yen, Due in Feb. Save up, people. And Mog can change his avatar -- finally.
JsARCLIGHT Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 I hope that is still a semi-prototype because IMHO it looks a tad clunky and ill-fitting. I guess for nearly $200 I'm expecting something... well... better.
eriku Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 29,400 yen, Due in Feb. Save up, people. Come on HLJ Early Bird!
Ignacio Ocamica Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Agree that it looks ill-fitting but I know CM's will deliver a quality product
Twoducks Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Why does amiami list also a 22% discount? Is that whole sale price?
eriku Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Agree that it looks ill-fitting but I know CM's will deliver a quality product Exactly. I don't care what comprimises they made because I have faith that the toy will actually be well-made and hold together in both modes.
jenius Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Yeah but it looks really bad when put together! Granted, I'd rather have it not look so hot then fall apart on me but what I'd really rather have it do is look friggin' great and hold together just as well. Looks like I'm going to have to settle for not looking so good but holding together well.
Kyp Durron Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 Screw that, if they can't make the fighter mode look at least as good as my Toynami for $200 bucks, I'll pass, kthnx. -Kyp
JsARCLIGHT Posted December 27, 2007 Posted December 27, 2007 I'll probably buy one as well but it's not "sitting right" with me at the moment. While the linkup does look like a beach ball f'ing a lawn dart, my primary concern in those new pictures was the apparent loose fitting and sort of "half baked" look of the overall product. If you look at the four images that are linked in the bottom of that page's listing you can see some nasty seams in the Legioss' legs, what appear to be not quite moved into the right position parts, this sort of awkward, gangly, unfinished look to the toys and just this general intangible "blahze" sort of feeling. It just looks so clunky to me... like it's not quite ready for prime time. I mean even Toynami knew better and took these glorious pictures of their beautiful hand built, flush seamed prototype that was meticulously posed and shot to hide it's weaknesses... whereas all these photos we keep seeing of these toys give me this hastily thrown together with no real attention to how it looks vibe. And from what I've seen there as been little actual "alteration" in all these prototypes... they all look just about the same, just in progressing states of color molding. I guess I'm still waiting for this epiphany glossy model shot that makes it look like a high quality, hardass finished toy rather than some slapped together garage kit made by some guy in his basement. Then again thanks to Toynami I feel I am overly critical of any new Mospeada toy... my eye is looking for failure as it is what I have come to expect from the license... and that is more or less bad on me and not this toy. But of all I've seen it has yet to impress me, outside of me gawking at it's high price tag.
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