eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Fact of the matter is, I look at CM's Legioss and I see one of my favorite mechs from one of my favorite anime series. I really see no 'problems' in the pictures. I honestly don't care if the rest of the world thinks it looks like a chocolate covered duck boat. Just makes me the only sane person.
Fly4victory Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Well, ... crazy fanboys? For posts that long you will need to preface with an executive summary.
NeoverseOmega Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) Heh- then I'll try to stop griping and being a pain in the arse. It's great that you enjoy it Eriku - again, all criticism aside, the most important thing is that MOSPEADA toys are seing the light of day again. If someone could convince CM's to give a set to me for free they'd get an impartial review - honest! ;P This is one of my favorite mecha as well - in highschool I filled notebooks with MOSPEADA scenes and even made a couple of attempts at 3D animations and old pixel style video-games (maybe having to depict the thing myself is why I'm so critical of what I see). Of course that just makes us two different varieties of nutty fanboy (although who's the peanut and who's the pistaccio is beyond me). And for Fly4Victory - your short and sweet version is probably about right! Edited February 5, 2008 by NeoverseOmega
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 We all crossed the 'crazy fanboy' threshold with our first thought of "I wonder if there's a website forum for [your favorite pop culture item here].
NeoverseOmega Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Yup. Internet forums are kind of like the event horizon for fanboyism - once you cross over you're doomed . . . . . I'ts fun though - as far as dooms go, I'll take it.
Graham Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Although oddly enough many Macross toys by Yamato are in this price range...yet the complaints for those aren't as wild and accusatory and people in general are relatively forgiving of Yamato's prices. Yeah, no lesson learned, I'm still confused. People are willing to spend money on Yamato toys, beacuse they know that Yamato is going to be as accurate and faithful to the lineart as possible. Graham
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 People are willing to spend money on Yamato toys, beacuse they know that Yamato is going to be as accurate and faithful to the lineart as possible. Graham Ah yes, good old lineart accuracy. A subtle flavor I'll apparently never savor.
Sundown Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Ah yes, good old lineart accuracy. A subtle flavor I'll apparently never savor. The CMS Legioss/Tread doesn't just diverge from mere "line art accuracy". It makes major changes to how the Legioss transforms and gross alterations to how the parts are laid out in fighter mode and when linked up. It doesn't just reinterpret the design. It changes it for the worse for no good reason (so far as I can tell). The ugly intakes are a mere diversion from the line art. The ugly splayed out legs are either gross negligence, laziness, or a massive compromise for the soldier mode. Notice that we haven't seen a single shot of the Legioss from underneath. My guess is because it looks heinous, with the knee caps scooping outward at akward, ugly angles. The Tread actually looks pretty decent, as far as I'm concerned.
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 The CMS Legioss/Tread doesn't just diverge from mere "line art accuracy". It makes major changes to how the Legioss transforms and gross alterations to how the parts are laid out in fighter mode and when linked up. It doesn't just reinterpret the design. It changes it for the worse for no good reason (so far as I can tell). The ugly intakes are a mere diversion from the line art. The ugly splayed out legs are either gross negligence, laziness, or a massive compromise for the soldier mode. Notice that we haven't seen a single shot of the Legioss from underneath. My guess is because it looks heinous, with the knee caps scooping outward at akward, ugly angles. The Tread actually looks pretty decent, as far as I'm concerned. But you know what? A lot of that is still speculation. Nobody here has handled one of these yet. Even still, just going by the pics I've seen I think it looks just like a Legioss toy. And better yet is that it looks like a Legioss toy I can actually play with.
jenius Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Wow Eriku... uh that's a hell of an argument. "You can't say that the easily seen design overhauls are definitely there, you haven't handled the toy." followed by "I like it 'cause it looks durable!" WTF?
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Jenius is right, dude. You don't need to justify yourself just because you're the only one who still likes the damn thing. To each his own
Arthurius Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Well, i am happy so many Mospeada toys are comming, and hopping other companies do try on the alpha/betas, but right now, me so happy about the cyclones comming out, at affordable prices.
SuperHobo Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) Jenius is right, dude. You don't need to justify yourself just because you're the only one who still likes the damn thing. To each his own Hey Eriku is not the only guy on here who actually likes what CMs is offering. Sure it has its quirks, but hey it screaming out to be an awesome toy. By the way I just got my 1/35 blue Excite/Gakken MIB today. I didn't know the old legioss had so many ratcheting joints! Truly a remarkable feast of toy engineering from 20 years ago! Edited February 5, 2008 by SuperHobo
Vermillion21 Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) By the way I just got my 1/35 blue Excite/Gakken MIB today. I didn't know the old legioss had so many ratcheting joints! Truly a remarkable feast of toy engineering from 20 years ago! Nice. I would love to owe one of those someday ... Edited February 6, 2008 by Vermillion21
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 (edited) Wow Eriku... uh that's a hell of an argument. "You can't say that the easily seen design overhauls are definitely there, you haven't handled the toy." followed by "I like it 'cause it looks durable!" WTF? I'm referring to how the legs are transformed, weather or not the knees slide, etc. We don't know for certain how that stuff works yet. I'm assuming it's built like a toy (ie durable) because SaveRobotech said it was after he saw them in person. Out of curiosity, what keeps people coming back to this thread? If this thing is such an abomination and so terrible and not worthy of existing, why is the thread so popular? Wouldn't you just write off the thing as something you don't want and be done with it? Do people really just like to bitch that much? The main reason I check in here is to see if any new pics have been added, or if it's been released. Most comments I make are meant to lighten the atmosphere or inject some optimism. Kittens and bunnies, remember? Edited February 5, 2008 by eriku
Roy's Blues Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I keep coming back to check for a review. ^_^
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I come back for the drama So I'm not the only one who can almost hear "Spring-er! Spring-er! Spring-er!" being chanted in the background?
JsARCLIGHT Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Out of curiosity, what keeps people coming back to this thread? I keep coming back because I'm a moderator and I have to check threads to make sure everyone is playing nice. I only post when someone types something that makes my eye twitch or when I feel my opinion on this toy is being miscast. There is no "right" or "wrong" opinion to have on this toy, and everyone is entitled to post what they feel about it.
Twoducks Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I keep coming back because I'm a moderator and I have to check threads to make sure everyone is playing nice. I only post when someone types something that makes my eye twitch or when I feel my opinion on this toy is being miscast. There is no "right" or "wrong" opinion to have on this toy, and everyone is entitled to post what they feel about it. Wish this thread had some of the magic the YF-21 thread has: very "sacred lineart" innacuracy in robot mode but almost zero bitching. Guess people can like stuff that doesn't follow lineart.
Totoro242 Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Out of curiosity, what keeps people coming back to this thread? I keep coming back in the hopes that we get an update where CMS says "Oh, those were just goofy prototype pics with prototype querks, here's the real toy", and then it looks like a Legioss.
Twoducks Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I keep coming back in the hopes that we get an update where CMS says "Oh, those were just goofy prototype pics with prototype querks, here's the real toy", and then it looks like a Legioss. Your in luck, it already looks like a Legioss! (and I've ask people that have a faint memory of Robotech and they all identify it as the plane of the third part of the series).
do not disturb Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 i keep coming back in hopes they say, whoops we meant it was $150 not $250.
Shaggydog Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Hey, lemme save you guys some clicks n' disappointment: neither of those things is gonna happen. (not saying they should or shouldn't happen, just that they won't.)
Roger Posted February 5, 2008 Author Posted February 5, 2008 What about chocolate air? When is that going to happen?
eriku Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 What about chocolate air? When is that going to happen? Don't tell me you missed chocolate air, Roger! It was all the rage with the secretaries at my office back in 2004. Had to shut it off because productivity took a serious nosedive. One might ask what chocolate air is doing in a lawfirm in the first place, but hey, it's CHOCOLATE AIR. You don't question that kind of science.
danth Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 I keep coming back in the hopes that we get an update where CMS says "Oh, those were just goofy prototype pics with prototype querks, here's the real toy", and then it looks like a Legioss. For me it's similar. I'm hoping we get an announcement that Beagle or Megahouse or anyone really is also going to do a Legioss & Tread. Either that or we find out that the Legioss fighter is mistransformed in all the pics and the knees don't really stick out so far.
VF5SS Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 What about chocolate air? When is that going to happen? What about Chocolate Rain?
Phyrox Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Had to shut it off because productivity took a serious nosedive. One might ask what chocolate air is doing in a lawfirm in the first place, but hey, it's CHOCOLATE AIR. You don't question that kind of science. Eriku is forgiven all past transgressions for the funniest post I've read on MW in some time. My kinda stuff.
Vermillion21 Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 I keep coming back to check for a review. ^_^ Ditto.
Chirico Cuvie Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 I've not gone back and read too far into the 57 pages of posts on this. Here's my 2 cents, coming from someone who's been buying this crap since Mospeada was still on the air. CM's is a small company, even compared to Yamato. The cost to produce it was probably higher than anything else they've done, and the questionable demand for a product that isn't exactly a big property in Japan means this is a very low production run, considering CM's doesn't have huge runs in the first place. The fact that it's presold out everywhere cements the fact that there weren't that many to go around. This is the biggest reason the cost is so high. As for the design, I can only speculate, as can everyone else. Unless you know somebody at CM's you can't state anything but your opinion, nor can I. Nobody here has held a finished sample to my knowledge, I know some have seen them up close, but even the ride armors were shown in the wrong state in official photos up until they were released. I've heard tales from friends in the toy design/sculpting industry that often a client gives hardly any artwork or source material to help illustrate how something looks from all sides. I've got several Mospeada art books and there isn't a whole lot covering the whole Tlead/Legioss union. It seems the animators just kind of shoved them together and didn't account for real mass/physics to factor into it. It's also not uncommon for a studio to ignore what others have done, either for fear of a lawsuit or just plain old pride, and just reinvent the wheel. Their take on the Legioss (from available pictures) is a bit odd, the legs fold up instead of slide, the tail fins appear to not slide down or pivot enough to clear the forearms. The Tlead looks pretty damn accurate, with only the huge bar connecting them being the white elephant. It could be better, it could be worse, but it is what it is and until somebody gets a finished production pice it's all speculation. I've got one ordered and I'll report my findings, as I'm sure others will too. Is the toy worth $280? As a mass-produced toy from Bandai or Hasbro hell no. As a limited production niche market piece offering something people have waited 25 years for maybe. It all comes down to how much you want it. People comparing this to a Transformer toy in terms of price have no understanding of economics or production costs. And affordable Japanese toys is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. And one last comment. Anyone talking about Yamato's fair pricing for quality doesn't own one of their 1st Scopedogs, Garlands, Quedluun Rau or remembers paying $150 for the GBP-1 armor.
GobotFool Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 And one last comment. Anyone talking about Yamato's fair pricing for quality doesn't own one of their 1st Scopedogs, Garlands, Quedluun Rau or remembers paying $150 for the GBP-1 armor. and the motoslave for 70
Ignacio Ocamica Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Is the Legioss/Tread set still available for preorder at HLJ? I have mine on preorder since the first day it was available, but now it's not even listed. I can only acces the product description through my account where it's on preorder or typing the series name in the home page. If you look for it in the future release items list or by company it's not listed! I hope HLJ doesn't cancell my preorder Edited February 8, 2008 by Ignacio Ocamica
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) And one last comment. Anyone talking about Yamato's fair pricing for quality doesn't own one of their 1st Scopedogs, Garlands, Quedluun Rau or remembers paying $150 for the GBP-1 armor. I don't think you'll find a lot people around here who think Yamato's prices are fair, hence all the b!tching about it. I did said people keeps buying their toys because they're great. Edited February 8, 2008 by Lonely Soldier Boy
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted February 8, 2008 Posted February 8, 2008 Are these going to be hard to find in the future?
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