1/60 YF-19 Fast Packs & Fold Booster

[eugimon]

Key word: CONSTANT!

at least he's consistent.

[kensei]

at least he's consistent.

That's a positive personality trait!

[Beware of Blast]

I've never had a YF-19 toy before, and I'm damn proud of this one. Biggest, fully articulated one to date. Yamato overlooked only two issues to me. Name me another product that is as good.

You should try the 2nd edition 1/72 YF19. Except for lineart accuracy and size, Yamato overlooked nothing.

The only thing better the 1/60 YF19 has over the 1/72 version is close-to-anime / lineart accuracy. Everything else about the current '19 is a big embarassment.

[Beware of Blast]

What the hell?!

Enjoy the subpar toy all you want. It's not as though I flew over to where you all are, and clubbed you unconcious to stop you from enjoying your toy.

wolfx, stop telling people what I do. Grr!

[kensei]

You should try the 2nd edition 1/72 YF19. Except for lineart accuracy and size, Yamato overlooked nothing.

The only thing better the 1/60 YF19 has over the 1/72 version is close-to-anime / lineart accuracy. Everything else about the current '19 is a big embarassment.

Sure. Silly me for choosing a toy whose only problem for me is a crooked gunpod in the fighter mode over a fugly chunky monkey who can barely pose and bend it's knees forward in GERWALK mode.

Edited May 11, 2007 by kensei

[Roy's Blues]

You should try the 2nd edition 1/72 YF19. Except for lineart accuracy and size, Yamato overlooked nothing.

The only thing better the 1/60 YF19 has over the 1/72 version is close-to-anime / lineart accuracy. Everything else about the current '19 is a big embarassment.

Umm no.

Gunpod hook up in fighter needs to be modded.

1/60 3 times more articulated.

NO FP EVER! in 1/72 No A stance. Paint chips and collapse if you mis-pose or mishandle.

[kensei]

Umm no.

Gunpod hook up in fighter needs to be modded.

1/60 3 times more articulated.

NO FP EVER! in 1/72 No A stance. Paint chips and collapse if you mis-pose or mishandle.

Hayao Kakizaki did make a serious modification that enabled it to do an A-Stance, but I wouldn't trust someone with any lesser skill to do it. Still, I was impressed.

Edited May 11, 2007 by kensei

[Roy's Blues]

Hayao Kakizaki did make a serious modification that enabled it to do an A-Stance, but I wouldn't trust someone with any lesser skill to do it. Still, I was impressed.

I remember that thread and pics, but not a lot of us are able to do that.

/like me

//got to go

///Asuka is kicking @$$ in the end of eva

////Later

[Vic Mancini]

i have no issue with the complaints u make, its that u bring them up in every thread and ALL THE TIME. No matter whats being discussed, even if it was a thread about how much u liked Yamato, u would spin it into how crap they are and anyone who continues to buy from em must be stupid or slow. i think the point is; if u hate em enough to do nothing EXCEPT complain, then just stop buying and let those of us who are still enjoying the toys enjoy em!

^

Quoted for truth.

I'm actually surprised that BOB hasn't been banned for the way he talks to everyone in here.

[Icenine]

^

Quoted for truth.

I'm actually surprised that BOB hasn't been banned for the way he talks to everyone in here.

Hes not talking badly towards anyone in the forum, but more about the situation with yamato and their products. I think its fine that he has his own opinion about the products he has purchased.

[Beware of Blast]

Sure. Silly me for choosing a toy whose only problem for me is a crooked gunpod in the fighter mode over a fugly chunky monkey who can barely pose and bend it's knees forward in GERWALK mode.

Neither did I farted the comparison in your general direction. It's been known that the 1/72 '19 is weak in the gerwalk dept. All I care about is the battriod mode. Look here:- 1/72 YF19 unmodded. Drifand may take good photos, but that's a stock '19.

The 1/60's '19 improvements over the 1/72 is nothing to shout about, if anything, Yamato should be ashamed that their 1/60's '19 is being compared to its LESSER incarnation, instead of other better toys. It can't even hold its own.

Thanks for telling the difference Icenine.

And thank you Graham for the title. It's time for my medication.

[DARKWIND]

Hes not talking badly towards anyone in the forum, but more about the situation with yamato and their products. I think its fine that he has his own opinion about the products he has purchased.

True, no matter how much he spews, he is entitled to do so.

So if he goes off predictably like ole' faithful let him. . .

If he refuses to buy anymore Yamatos its his loss. . .

When they do get it right, and "if" he misses out it'll be karma. . .

Hell many vets here could tell you how I used to go off like a blast furnace over Ebay.

But after the "Buy it now" option went up I changed my tune, (a little) ! ! !

[Vic Mancini]

All I care about is the battriod mode. Look here:- 1/72 YF19 unmodded. Drifand may take good photos, but that's a stock '19.

That's the only respectable mode of the 1/72 and it still looks horrible compared to the 1/60, IMHO.

You may only care about battroid, but I'm pretty sure most consumers care about the other two modes. And the differences between the 1/72 F&G and the 1/60 F&G are night and day. Many forum members, (myself included), consider the 1/60 to be the most accurate representation of the 19 out there. The 1/72 has its charm but it's a joke compared to the 1/60 especially in F&G. The Bandai VF-19s don't compare either, nor does the SHE or Liquid Stone. Granted the 1/60 has a crooked gunpod and QC issues, (and believe me those do bother me), but nothing compares to it in terms of accurately representing the YF-19. It surpasses even the custom variable Hasegawas that everyone drooled over for 5 years since we first saw them in Model Graphix June 2002.

if anything, Yamato should be ashamed that their 1/60's '19 is being compared to its LESSER incarnation, instead of other better toys.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. The disconnect we're having is that you want to compare it to other toys because you're obviously a collector with broad tastes. And yes, other non Macross/Yamato toys might be less expensive and have better QC and durability, (I wouldn't know), but until someone makes a better YF-19 it really is "apples and oranges" for Macross-specific collectors like myself, as tired as you think that argument may be.

I'm not trying to "tell you off", I'm just trying to explain how it is that a lot of us are in fact extremely satisfied with the Yamato 1/60 YF-19, and probably shouldn't be associated with a "slow-minded" connotation for it.

[Beware of Blast]

That's the only respectable mode of the 1/72 and it still looks horrible compared to the 1/60, IMHO.

You may only care about battroid, but I'm pretty sure most consumers care about the other two modes. And the differences between the 1/72 F&G and the 1/60 F&G are night and day. Many forum members, (myself included), consider the 1/60 to be the most accurate representation of the 19 out there. The 1/72 has its charm but it's a joke compared to the 1/60 especially in F&G. The Bandai VF-19s don't compare either, nor does the SHE or Liquid Stone. Granted the 1/60 has a crooked gunpod and QC issues, (and believe me those do bother me), but nothing compares to it in terms of accurately representing the YF-19. It surpasses even the custom variable Hasegawas that everyone drooled over for 5 years since we first saw them in Model Graphix June 2002.

I don't expect you to follow my every rant, but I have never doubted the beauty of the 1/60 YF19. All Yamato's sculpts have been divinely beautiful.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. The disconnect we're having is that you want to compare it to other toys because you're obviously a collector with broad tastes. And yes, other non Macross/Yamato toys might be less expensive and have better QC and durability, (I wouldn't know), but until someone makes a better YF-19 it really is "apples and oranges" for Macross-specific collectors like myself, as tired as you think that argument may be.

I'm not trying to "tell you off", I'm just trying to explain how it is that a lot of us are in fact extremely satisfied with the Yamato 1/60 YF-19, and probably shouldn't be associated with a "slow-minded" connotation for it.

Now, this is where it is connected to issues related to Yamato that got me unhinged. I made the "other toys" examples is because I am trying to draw comparison on BUILD QUALITY and FINISHING from readily available references - it is not that I'm speaking as though you ("Macross-Yamato-Only-Collectors") live in a cave and have absolutely NOTHING else in your toy collection. Even if you have no other toys, just look at good ANYTHING out there that's well-made.

I'm not saying that I have very good taste, at least I like to think what I have is better than having no taste for quality like Yamato.

I express my disappointment to you guys because MW is largely an American Macross fansite. If there is anything about the American culture on Material Things that I can relate to is your reverance for well-made creations that is brimming with BUILD QUALITY and GOOD FINISHING. Settling for half-arsed made VFs is where you people confused me - YAMATO FVCKS YOUR REVERANCE FOR BUILD QUALITY and GOOD FINISHING IN THE ARSE!

The fact that we're all sitting on a conundrum, confused ourselves with the general disdain for crap quality toys to our love for the Macross franchise, still spending sh1tloads of money on it, is why we're all WEAK and SLOW MINDED.

I think you need assess how you really feel about your 1/60 YF19, because you were at first hoping for better QC, bothered by the QC and what not, then you said fans are generally quite happy with the current '19 - that's quite a contradiction there.

In the mean time, have a good weekend all. Sorry to have wasted your time.

[Vic Mancini]

Even if you have no other toys, just look at good ANYTHING out there that's well-made.

Build quality is obviously a higher priority for you than it is for me. For me, aesthetics and design are top priority, and build quality is second. (Maybe that's because I'm not American?) I look at "good anything" out there that's well designed and the 1/60 19 is pretty remarkable in my eyes. The innovations that Yamato made to overcome the design obstacles they had in front of them amaze me.

I think you need assess how you really feel about your 1/60 YF19, because you were at first hoping for better QC, bothered by the QC and what not, then you said fans are generally quite happy with the current '19 - that's quite a contradiction there.

Apparently I contradict myself a lot on this forum, so you should probably get used to it.

Let me try to explain. The crooked gunpod and tight fuselage bother me about 3%. The non-locking torso in B&G mode bothers me another 5%. The look, build, and design of the rest of the 1/60 satisfy me about 92%. That is how I am genarally happy. I guess I shouldn't speak for anyone else, but I suspect others feel similar to me judging by the comments I've read on this forum. The 1/60 YF-19 is about 92% of what I've been dreaming about since I first saw Macross Plus. It made every other rendition of the YF-19 that I used to think was cool look not cool. Even a one-of-a-kind custom Hasegawa.

Is the 1/60 unnecessarily fragile? ...maybe, maybe not. I don't really know. All I know is that if the trade-off for durability is looking like the 1/72, I'd rather own something delicate and finical. So please don't call me weak and slow minded for not having the same criteria and priorities as you.

And for the love of God, please relax.

The last thing I want to be is a source of stress for you.

Edited May 11, 2007 by Vic Mancini

[drifand]

Well, just a quick chip in. I feel exactly how BOB does about Yamato Toys: Gorgeous designs with questionable engineering amd unpredictable build quality. I'm one of those initial fans who cheered the new wave of innovation by Yamato but gradually realized they either didn't care enough about getting things right the first time round, OR, they really are so small and lacking in resources, they simply can't afford to do better.

Regardless, I will always appreciate the beauty of their vastly improved designs while stone cold-heartedly waiting out every first run. Not every fan becomes a 'hater' just because of one or two factory/design/material defects... but every dumb preventable mistake surely does add up.

[promethuem5]

I've gotta go with VM here, but probably for me because I've just never really gotten a Yamato toy that had issues so that I could not enjoy it. The crooked gunpod on the 19 is annoying, but I find nothing else the matter with it except I had to make the landing gear spread... the neck is as big a deal as many have made it out to be (aside from the few people who have had the neck break) and the rest of the toy is great, and gorgeously made. Even with this I see no reason to not buy more 19s if I wanted aside from the price... there are just not too many deal breakers with Yamato toys for me. The ONLY things that have made me ever stay away from Yamato products were the VF0 shoulders and the Garland's shoulders... I own one 0A and love it, but it has floppy shoulders that are cracked, and I have not bought a Garland. I own 1/48 VF-1s, 1/60 VF-1s, the whole Mac+ 1/72 line (which I LOVE), the new 19, a Koenig Monster, and two Scopedogs plus every available accessory set... and so far the only thing I have not liked are the 0A and Garland shoulders... I buy plenty of first run toys and have never had a real problem... alot of this stuff just isn't that big a deal... I cannot understand some of you guys like flipping out at some hapless new guy who happens to like the toy just because some of you have gotten a little overexcited...

[eugimon]

I've gotta go with VM here, but probably for me because I've just never really gotten a Yamato toy that had issues so that I could not enjoy it. The crooked gunpod on the 19 is annoying, but I find nothing else the matter with it except I had to make the landing gear spread... the neck is as big a deal as many have made it out to be (aside from the few people who have had the neck break) and the rest of the toy is great, and gorgeously made. Even with this I see no reason to not buy more 19s if I wanted aside from the price... there are just not too many deal breakers with Yamato toys for me. The ONLY things that have made me ever stay away from Yamato products were the VF0 shoulders and the Garland's shoulders... I own one 0A and love it, but it has floppy shoulders that are cracked, and I have not bought a Garland. I own 1/48 VF-1s, 1/60 VF-1s, the whole Mac+ 1/72 line (which I LOVE), the new 19, a Koenig Monster, and two Scopedogs plus every available accessory set... and so far the only thing I have not liked are the 0A and Garland shoulders... I buy plenty of first run toys and have never had a real problem... alot of this stuff just isn't that big a deal... I cannot understand some of you guys like flipping out at some hapless new guy who happens to like the toy just because some of you have gotten a little overexcited...

well, to be fair to both sides, it's pretty maddening to put down a 150 dollars only to have something break because some materials engineer didn't bother to check if the plastic they used on a stress bearing joint could actually handle normal handling stresses. We're not talking about people who force a hinge or something here... we're talking about plastic way too thin and brittle to handle normal transformation.

But back to the actual topic of the YF-19/FP. the only reason I'm not going to get one is the price. With the SV-51 just around the corner, I just don't have a spare 230 bucks to spend on this guy... I have a 1/60 yf-19 and I'm pretty happy with mine. I haven't broken the neck, nor does it look like it's going to any time soon. The fit and finish is pretty darn nice as well. More than the gunpod, I'd rather the shoulder pads fit flush in fighter mode and the wing roots locked into the legs better as well.

[promethuem5]

But back to the actual topic of the YF-19/FP. the only reason I'm not going to get one is the price. With the SV-51 just around the corner, I just don't have a spare 230 bucks to spend on this guy... I have a 1/60 yf-19 and I'm pretty happy with mine. I haven't broken the neck, nor does it look like it's going to any time soon. The fit and finish is pretty darn nice as well. More than the gunpod, I'd rather the shoulder pads fit flush in fighter mode and the wing roots locked into the legs better as well.

I can understand ya on the plastic... but still, your comments on the 19 itself, even you can admit those are minor niggles and not deal-breakers, right? I have always thought about the shoulders in fighter mode myself, but I really don't notice it all that much.

[eugimon]

I can understand ya on the plastic... but still, your comments on the 19 itself, even you can admit those are minor niggles and not deal-breakers, right? I have always thought about the shoulders in fighter mode myself, but I really don't notice it all that much.

oh yeah, like I said, I'm pretty happy with my yf-19. my only major quibble is the price. but being the beliver in a free market economy that I am, I'm of the opinion that if you can't afford a luxury item, boo hoo, too bad for you.

[promethuem5]

Ha, yeah, eugimon, I'm right behind you... it is a luxury market.

[kensei]

Neither did I farted the comparison in your general direction. It's been known that the 1/72 '19 is weak in the gerwalk dept. All I care about is the battriod mode. Look here:- 1/72 YF19 unmodded. Drifand may take good photos, but that's a stock '19.

The 1/60's '19 improvements over the 1/72 is nothing to shout about, if anything, Yamato should be ashamed that their 1/60's '19 is being compared to its LESSER incarnation, instead of other better toys. It can't even hold its own.

Thanks for telling the difference Icenine.

And thank you Graham for the title. It's time for my medication.

Dude, I don't know what you are seeing, but the only blowhard between the two scales is the 1/72. There's nothing there that the 1/60 can't do.

And the more I look at it, the more I believe that the proportions and articulation are hideous. Particularly the thigh and chest areas.

I think you need assess how you really feel about your 1/60 YF19, because you were at first hoping for better QC, bothered by the QC and what not, then you said fans are generally quite happy with the current '19 - that's quite a contradiction there.

In the mean time, have a good weekend all. Sorry to have wasted your time.

That's not a contradiction. I'd rate the YF-19 about 73% perfect, which means I generally approve and I am quite happy. That's my definition of generally happy.

You see, the problem with that is, everything for you is black and white. If I applied this statement to my girlfriend, it's like saying that I should get rid of her because of the one little nagging flaw I hate, she makes up a sandwich, and then before she eats it she takes it apart again.

EDIT that's an awesome title.

Edited May 12, 2007 by kensei

[eugimon]

bah, BoB is only black and white when it comes to yamato. He's more than willing to overlook the flubs in bandai, takara and whatever other toy he actually likes.

[Beware of Blast]

bah, BoB is only black and white when it comes to yamato. He's more than willing to overlook the flubs in bandai, takara and whatever other toy he actually likes.

bah, BoB is only black and white when it comes to yamato. He's more than willing to overlook the flubs in bandai, takara and whatever other toy he actually likes.

Is that so? You get that big idea about me being one-sided just because I like the Gunbuster from Bandai? I have listed examples as well as their flaws. Most of my fine examples offered their end of their promise.

In the grand scheme of things, I'm talking about the APTITUDE of these toymakers, or the lack of it on Yamato's part. While every other toymakers are working hard to deliver their promise, Yamato are the ONLY ones who are getting away with murder. Ya know, I wouldn't mind so much if they were gashapons or candy toys or getting a mountain-of-a-deal with little-molehill-sum of money. But that would be not so black and white on my part already, no?

It's sad that as you argue and reason for them, Yamato from upper management to rank and file are cock-sucking each over another con-job well executed each time. Let me point them out again shall we? - the poorly made and fragile 1/72s, the minor QC unpredictability of the 1/48s, the sure to break plastics on the 1/60s.

While you are ready to part with your hard-earned cash, Yamato are laughing at your desperation for Macross toys.

Yamato's tuition fees = your money.

You're all paying your respects to the Macross franchise for ZERO APTITUDE.

I have tried my best to be impartial. In fact, I have liked ALL the toys enough first, before I purchased them in the first place or I wouldn't have bothered. What I don't expect or lay money down, are for toys that are piss-poor made and prone to breakage.

The ZERO APTITUDE to lousy build quality, piss poor finishing and toy breakage by Yamato is UNPRECEDENTED.

Don't tell me you and your money were comatosed like kensei as well? Because you're starting to look like you were.

[aaajin]

It's sad that as you argue and reason for them, Yamato from upper management to rank and file are cock-sucking each over another con-job well executed each time

My, my..take it easy my man. Dont argue on such a delicate issue when we have already collectively agree, that the 1/48 VF-1 IS and WILL BE (if the chogokins are not planned for release in the future) the King of kings of the VF-1 toy line. And please be wise of your choice of words, the kids are watching/reading !.

ducks flying chairs

[kensei]

oh yeah, like I said, I'm pretty happy with my yf-19. my only major quibble is the price. but being the beliver in a free market economy that I am, I'm of the opinion that if you can't afford a luxury item, boo hoo, too bad for you.

Yeah I agree, but don't worry if you want another one, they will go down in price in the future. Like the 1/48s. I was just too quick to buy these ones. I can't wait for the VF-X Ravens scheme. That will be awesome.

[eugimon]

Yeah I agree, but don't worry if you want another one, they will go down in price in the future. Like the 1/48s. I was just too quick to buy these ones. I can't wait for the VF-X Ravens scheme. That will be awesome.

yeah, and I can't wait to see what yamato has planned for non canon paint schemes as well.

[AlphaOne]

How about we all take a little breather and cool our jets about this -

I can see where both sides of this heated debate is and I believe the majority of MWers here lie somewhere in the middle.

First, I think we hear about a toy coming out, and instantly our expectations for that toy increase. We talk about it with each other, ask questions to Graham, speculate on what's it going to be like - in the mean time building our expectations to a point where it might be quite impossible to satisfy.

Then, some of us (me included) get the first runs because we can't wait for the second ones. Our thirst for it is just too great. And then we see what faults they might have. We're crushed because we just spent so much $ on a toy, and now we're disappointed because it's not "perfect." And rightfully, we should be.

But we hyped it up to the point where it cannot afford to have any flaws. And then those nitpicks soon flood the boards, and some vent their spite towards others. It is a message board after all. But then those nitpicks get to the point where it becomes exaggerated, and that's all that becomes concentrated on. The overall feel for the toy is compromised by a few flaws, and we disregard the engineering marvel it took to get it in our hands in the first place.

And after some time, we settle down, and begin to appreciate the overall toy, and realize how hard it is to produce it in the first place. We start to see everything, and find that it really is a great toy.

I think then we really see the balance between the ascetics and the durability of the toy, and we realize some compromises were took to achieve that. I'm sure we all can reference some toys where they held up great, but their appearance might have suffered (To me, original transformers), and then they're some toys where they look gorgeous, but their durability lacked (My Advent Children Cloud, replaced twice). It's rare for a toy to achieve a perfect balance of both.

Both side do prove a point, but I think we should be open-minded enough to try and see what the other side's seeing. No one should be crucified for believing in what they want. That said, there's no need for or to allude to profanity. And while we all have the right to vent, let's understand that there could be minors here and we should all respect the message board provided.

We all enjoy coming here, so let's squash this issue and move on. Thank you.

Edited May 13, 2007 by AlphaOne

[recon]

Do agree with some points. Currently, yamato is the only company churning out highly detailed and beautiful transformable toys, which i must say its a remarkable and incredible feat of engineering. However many a times, i feel let down by the quality issues and design problems, which should have been rectified and scrutinize throughly before releasing the toy for mass production, especially when its a high end and expensive product.

Bandai do also incorporate complex transformations in their line of soc combiners, but never once do their products have quality or design issues except for some loose joints. Same goes for takara transformers, both normal and masterpiece lines, at times do experience stress marks or loose joints but never plastic breakages.

I just wish to say that as much as im willing to pay for a beautifully crafted, transformable toy designed by yamato, but i do hope that they would really put in the needed effort into examining the design and taking watever measures to reduce part/joint breakages, loose joints/fits etc than rushing to release a defective toy into the market.

Edited May 14, 2007 by recon

[Beware of Blast]

My, my..take it easy my man. Dont argue on such a delicate issue when we have already collectively agree, that the 1/48 VF-1 IS and WILL BE (if the chogokins are not planned for release in the future) the King of kings of the VF-1 toy line. And please be wise of your choice of words, the kids are watching/reading !.

ducks flying chairs

I used to have no doubt that Yamato's 1/48 VF1 is the undisputed "the King of kings". But in Yamato's case, it's just like you've just crowned a woman with the Ms World title for all the right reasons, and not a moment too soon, you discovered evidence that candidate is tainted with unsavoury deeds that would make a mockery of the TITLE, the organization and the people that bestows it.

And I do stand by my choice of words. No one who claim to be serious about their work could bear fvcking-up their FEATURE PRESENTATION that much.

Yamato are nothing but a bunch of zero aptitude jokers.

Edited May 14, 2007 by Beware of Blast

[Chet]

Can the mods please tear out all the useless, off-topic crap from this thread? Checking this thread for news on the YF-19 with Fold Booster and finding nothing but the BS some users have been hurling here is annoying.

[Graham]

When the YF-19 with Fold booster set is released I've just been told it will have the following improvements.

1. Gunpod now straight (parallel to the arms) in fighter mode.
2. Nose locking mechanism has been redesigned to to make it easier to transform.
3. Retractable shoulder flaps now more secure, so shouldn't fall off so easily.
4. Some other improvement to the shoulder, which I'm not clear about. Hopefully the gap in fighter mode has been reduced, but don't quote me on that.

Graham

[recon]

Great news, glad that i preorder the YF-19 with fold booster!

[Dante74]

When the YF-19 with Fold booster set is released I've just been told it will have the following improvements.

1. Gunpod now straight (parallel to the arms) in fighter mode.
2. Nose locking mechanism has been redesigned to to make it easier to transform.
3. Retractable shoulder flaps now more secure, so shouldn't fall off so easily.
4. Some other improvement to the shoulder, which I'm not clear about. Hopefully the gap in fighter mode has been reduced, but don't quote me on that.

Graham

That's great news!

Thanks for the update Graham!

[Scream Man]

ive decided to get one. i was gonna get a 2nd 19 anyway, i may as well get the bonus stuff with it as well. Ill just leave my first version in fighter, and chuck the fold booster on that