Which is the best of Kawamori's Valkyrie?

[Busted VF1A]

I'd have to go with the YF-19 for my over all favorite, and the YF-21 only taking second because I don't like how spindely the legs look.

[Mechinyun]

VF-1, but damn the YF-19 is sexy in fighter mode!

[HoveringCheesecake]

I swear I'm the only person who hates the 19.

[Macross73]

The SW-XA1 Schneeblume is my favorite VF. It's the updated and modern VF-1 version.

The YF-21 is a close second

Thats cool. I'd forgotten about that one. That would be one I'd like to own as 1/48 size toy.

As much as like the 19, the VF-1 is my favorite overall.

[Duymon]

I guess the VF-1 is my favorite simply because I'm a sucker and somehow keep buying again,

and again,

and again,

and again,

and again,

and again,

and again,

[Vegas]

i vote for THE VE- 1 elintseeker and the stampede

Edited February 8, 2007 by Vegas Valkyrie

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

I would have to say not the VF-1, since the VF-0 is basically the same design only improved.

But would it win in a fight in space against the vf-1? No strike cannon option, less powerful engine always running out of fuel, the feeling of it being rushed because the anti-un had better planes.. and too big. Probably slower overall and easier to hit in a combat situation on the ground. Bigger means you can't fit as many and the zentradi outnumber humans.

It's not always what a machine looks like on the outside that gives it power, sometimes the insides are overlooked. But yeah I am only semi-serious. I still think the vf-1 manages to win because of the super valk upgrade kit that beefs up the firepower and speed. The ghost looks only semi-useful for both battroid and fighter. (it's heavy and the thrust isn't good, plus the vf-0 is already bigger than vf-1 so that compounds the problem. Ghost booster = half-assed experiment like the underarm gun for the yf-19)

So the vf-1 has more usefulness against giants, (smaller but faster) mecha (more manueverable for space which you'll need against Qrau) and dogfights. (no more time limits - the most annoying fault as seen in the show)

Another thing I forgot to mention is how I like the way a pilot comes out of the battroid through its head in battroid mode vs coming out of the chest plate/stomach in vf-0 battroid mode. Standing on the shoulder is going to give you a better view. VF-1 being more complex wins again. Imagine if you were to fight a giant, he pins the robot against a wall, and you can't move? What do you do? Jump out from the height of the robot? I'd rather eject and fly up into the air on a seat with boosters hoping the self destruct takes the giant with the robot. Not as much running imo. UN Spacy didn't design the vf-0 to be good against the giants, more as a stopgap against humans. (in this case anti-un)

Edited February 8, 2007 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Scream Man]

WOW, IVE NEVER SEEN THE VF-X1 BEFORE! mE WANT!!!!!

[Arthurius]

The VF-1S wins no contest here, move along pll.

The vf-1s is the most coolest in robot mode. Its very stable, tight joint, and great transformation with locking systems, and feels like you are not being ripped-off for the money you are paying. The vf-0s doesnt have that feeling. Sure, it maybe nice in plane mode, but in robot mode, i think the vf-1s shines the most.

Since i dont have the yf-19, i cant talk, other than say that i see alot of problem threads on them. Hopefully the 2nd/3rd edition will be a charm.

Now, after the vf-1s, my favorate is the vf-0a. Beatifull color, more locking mechanism, and NO disapointments, like the vf-0s was.

[orguss01]

The SW-XA1 Schneeblume is my favorite VF. It's the updated and modern VF-1 version.

The YF-21 is a close second

I like those alot...slick..f-22ish ..

How bout these ..OD's

Edited February 9, 2007 by orguss01

[skull001]

The VF-1S wins no contest here, move along pll.

The vf-1s is the most coolest in robot mode. Its very stable, tight joint, and great transformation with locking systems, and feels like you are not being ripped-off for the money you are paying. The vf-0s doesnt have that feeling. Sure, it maybe nice in plane mode, but in robot mode, i think the vf-1s shines the most.

If you're referring to the yammie 1/48 valk, yes. But in Fighter/Gerwalk mode, the VF-1A's smaller head appears more flush to the underside of the nose

[Scream Man]

i always liked the 1J head moe, for no logical reason.

[mojacko]

i always liked the 1J head moe, for no logical reason.

me too ...just like the 1J's....the more i look at it ...seems like a head of an armored knight !!!

[David Hingtgen]

The A-12 isn't a prototype SR-71, either. It's simply the A-12, and more than a few were built and put into service. There was actually a fly-off between the A-12 and SR-71 to decide which version to focus on.

Anyways, I've seen the term "hypercritical" used to describe a wing like 3 times in as many days. As far as I can tell, it's not really an aerodynamics term, and if anything, seems to mean either "an extreme version of a supercritical airfoil" (which makes no sense--something either is or isn't supercritical--it can be semi-supercritical, but once you are fully supercritical--you can't be even MORE supercritical)

Or---people are meaning "literally extremely critical--as in important or sensitive"---having no relation to the term supercritical, and usually referring to alpha.

Either way, it'd be invisible on a toy. ::checks YF-19 just to be sure:: Hmmn, if anything the Yamato YF-19 is flat out wrong--the trailing edge is thicker than the leading edge, and more rounded-it's just plain backwards. But ironically, is semi-supercritical.

[Awacs]

Anyways, I've seen the term "hypercritical" used to describe a wing like 3 times in as many days. As far as I can tell, it's not really an aerodynamics term, and if anything, seems to mean either "an extreme version of a supercritical airfoil"

Ah. Looks like I've been misusing terminology for a while then. I had thought that the term was "hyper-" rather than "super-" critical. Ta for the clarification.

(That's one of the things I like about Macrossworld. I learn useful real-world stuff here as well as stuff about mecha).

Karl

[Nightbat]

The best Kawamori is simply the one that started it all

every follow up just was a redesign for esthetic/modern times

Kawamori even claimed that later designs were built for viable toyproduction

(Like the VF-0's Bandai Swingbars)

Personally, I think the Escaflowne is a very interesting design

[kensei]

They're all beautiful in my opinion.

But if I had to choose the top five, it would be the VF-19, 17, 21, 9 and 11.

[Skullsixx]

Gawd, I love all 3 of 'em! If I had to choose though I definitely go with the YF-19!!! Especially when someone on this site did a custom 19 with the Skull leader paint job.

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/toys/m...customs-172.htm

Edited February 10, 2007 by Skullsixx

[maxi]

the "code" name for the VF-0 is PHOENIX. I think because is some kind of "rebirth" of the VF-1, even when vf-0 is previous, it is very confusing

Edited February 12, 2007 by maxi

[maxi]

Mechs=good

boob=very good

mechs with boobs=not so good.

but to answer the question, I would say the best fighter is the VF-4 the best gerwalk is the SV-51 and the best batroid is the VF-1(J)

the SV-51 is my personal favorite overall, it's the most aggressive and intimidating of the variable mechs.

I agree totally

[maxi]

Chronologically speaking, isn't the VF-0 a prototype for the VF-1? I can't see how the VF-0 is a more 'updated, modern' design of the VF-1

VF-1S all the way.

You are right. Is kind of confusing this cronological thing because vf-0, apparently, is more advanced that vf-1 when the first one is the prototype.

[maxi]

The A-12 isn't a prototype SR-71, either. It's simply the A-12, and more than a few were built and put into service. There was actually a fly-off between the A-12 and SR-71 to decide which version to focus on.

Anyways, I've seen the term "hypercritical" used to describe a wing like 3 times in as many days. As far as I can tell, it's not really an aerodynamics term, and if anything, seems to mean either "an extreme version of a supercritical airfoil" (which makes no sense--something either is or isn't supercritical--it can be semi-supercritical, but once you are fully supercritical--you can't be even MORE supercritical)

Or---people are meaning "literally extremely critical--as in important or sensitive"---having no relation to the term supercritical, and usually referring to alpha.

Either way, it'd be invisible on a toy. ::checks YF-19 just to be sure:: Hmmn, if anything the Yamato YF-19 is flat out wrong--the trailing edge is thicker than the leading edge, and more rounded-it's just plain backwards. But ironically, is semi-supercritical.

the reason because the yf-19´s airfoil has that shape is that supersonic airfoils doesn´t work the same way subsonic airfoil does. supersonic use shock waves to produce lift.

Edited February 12, 2007 by maxi

[Dampiel]

the "code" name for the VF-0 is PHOENIX. I think because is some kind of "rebirth" of the VF-1, even when vf-0 is previous, it is very confusing

PHOENIX is a non canon designation. The VF-0 is simply "Zero" IIRC.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

I like the symbolic name better. Makes it sound more apocalyptic.

[sketchley]

IMHO, the best VFs are the one's from Macross 7. Not for any of the obvious reasons, of course, but for the unobvious ones: they are a mastery of 'economy of line'.

They are a collection of simple lines, that results in a complex image. Kawamori's skill, and experience is very apparent in them.

[Warmaker]

The best Kawamori VF in my eyes is the VF-1 series. Elegant, powerful, and it doesn't have overcomplicated linework for the sake of it.

The best VF-1 model to me: VF-1J

The best VF-1J scheme shown in any Macross show to me: Max's blue VF-1J from SDF Macross. Millia's red-1J is a close second, since the red used is a bit dark and not bright and hokey. Besides, a darker red goes well for a warrior! Hikaru's white / red -1J is fine but has become too standardized with released merchandise for my own taste.

[RDClip]

1) VF-1 : Simple, yet cool and elegant. You can add a buttload of firepower and speed with the tough-looking fast packs or you can bulk it up with the armor kit. And lets not forget that it is the one that started it all. The VF-1S variant is my favourite just due to the head design(eye piece to be specific).

2) YF-21 : Very cool design. Innovative control system and the really godod specs. Battroid mode is a little wierd looking though. (lets not forget how great flew Max a VF-22 in M7)

3) YF-19 : New frest look. Looks good in all modes. (bumped down to 3rd because i feel like the Kai fighter from M7 makes the 19 look bad)

4) VF-4 : You know i didn't like this one until I saw vf-1s' custom SHE build-up, now i really dig this one. All 3 modes look so different and cool at the same time. I espeacially like how the main engines are on the wings.

5) VF-17 : Well, pretty much just the fact that it looks so sleek and smooth in fighter mode.

[GutsAndCasca]

VF-1. That's that.

[PsYcHoDyNaMiX]

hmm... tough call. I respect the VF-1 because its an original and they used the mock of it in TF. -=X, but...

I'd say VF-22 because Max pilot the plane so damn well in M7. Only to place ontop of this is because the VF-22 is the closest in schematics to reverting back for Mind Controlled piloting like the 21. Imagine Max with a mind controlable VF-22!?!?!??

Yet this also makes me wonder why they didn't give Max and Myria a VF-19 instead? Is it because the VF-22/YF-21 have the most similarity as that of the Queadluun-Rau (like the ones that zentradi sized Max and Myria piloted in the end of the Original Macross Movie)?

Or imagine the VF-19 with mind controlled piloting capabilities. Ehhh w/e mind as well put mind controlled piloting capabilities in all the VFs. XD

Edited February 13, 2007 by PsYcHoDyNaMiX

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

It's usually a convention that rarer mecha go to the better pilots. It's like an exotic car imported from another country and makes you look unique.

Note how in macross 7 ova how gamlin gets a vf-22 in black colours? He has gone up in the world.

[PsYcHoDyNaMiX]

Oh yea... come to think of it. Gamlin did get the black VF-22 in the M7 Dynamite series. XD

[s001]

The vf-1 is my favorite valk, vf-1s focker type specifically. The skull 001 is the flagship of macross. I love the minimalist style of the vf-1!

My second... definitely the yf-19. Looks very extreme and agressive in all 3 modes.

The yf-21 is my third favorite, a true big bad boy. I love the gamlin's vf-22 color scheme.

Personally I don't like the sv-51 very much, but yes, in gerwalk mode is one of the best. Looks very organic, like a dark nasty bird.

Kawamori is going into a more realistic style I guess. He's the best mecha designer, second to Kazutaka Miyatake of course.