Super Star Destroyer Kits/Toys/Etc

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I just caved in after months of vacillation and ordered the Scale Solutions resin kit.

Anyone else bought one? I have never painted resin, would appreciate any tips.

BTW, what else is out there for SSD toys and models?

Off hand I know of :

1. Scale Solutions Resin 300mm

2. Another Resin Kit (from Brazil IIRC) about 280mm long.

3. The Star Wars Collectors Fleet toy from Kenner. With lights and sound. Costs a bomb on ebay.

4. The recent star wars fleet battle collectible game has an SSD model/playing piece in it. Bout 120++mm long.

5. Rest is the small/fugly/deformed/crude micro machines/titanium series or Lego ones.

Anything I missed?

Could anyone kindly point me to a link with pics of the Kenner Toy (3 above)? I can only find small box pics of it on ebay. Thanks!

[Lynx7725]

4. The recent star wars fleet battle collectible game has an SSD model/playing piece in it. Bout 120++mm long.

And the good news about the Executor is that it's a fixed piece in the starter. A bit expensive to pay for a single ship, but at least you are sure you will get the SSD.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

And the good news about the Executor is that it's a fixed piece in the starter. A bit expensive to pay for a single ship, but at least you are sure you will get the SSD.

I find the proportions on that a bit off though.

[Lynx7725]

I find the proportions on that a bit off though.

I think so too, but it's really the most readily available miniature at the current moment.

It's really a bit hard when you are a Star Wars fleet fan, and would like to see a proper fleet in action. Outside of the usual ImpStar and SSDs, you don't get to see much models/ miniatures of the extended universe. At least, Starships Battles give you the option, even if currently it's an expensive option...

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I think so too, but it's really the most readily available miniature at the current moment.

It's really a bit hard when you are a Star Wars fleet fan, and would like to see a proper fleet in action. Outside of the usual ImpStar and SSDs, you don't get to see much models/ miniatures of the extended universe. At least, Starships Battles give you the option, even if currently it's an expensive option...

The latest Revell kit for the Venator SD is pretty neat. Much better then the old ERTL ISD.

At least the Starsip Battle SSD got the 13 engine thing correct. I just wish the detailing was sharper and not so lumpy/organic. Ah well, thats what my Scale Solutions order is for.

[Lynx7725]

Yeah well, but for things like Interdictors and smaller frigates, you got little to no choice at all elsewhere. The model makers tend to concentrate on the SDs and SSDs.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Yeah well, but for things like Interdictors and smaller frigates, you got little to no choice at all elsewhere. The model makers tend to concentrate on the SDs and SSDs.

Heh, actually I wouldn't even say that they concentrate on the ISDs and SSDs! There was only 1 mass production ISD kit from ERTL and zilch for the SSD.

For such a mega franchise, the capital ships are sadly lacking in mechandise.

Was the Interdictor Cruiser ever in the films or is it EU only?

BTW, I absolutely HATE most of the EU stuff. Most of it is crap IMHO.

[HoveringCheesecake]

Heh, actually I wouldn't even say that they concentrate on the ISDs and SSDs! There was only 1 mass production ISD kit from ERTL and zilch for the SSD.

For such a mega franchise, the capital ships are sadly lacking in mechandise.

Was the Interdictor Cruiser ever in the films or is it EU only?

BTW, I absolutely HATE most of the EU stuff. Most of it is crap IMHO.

What, if any EU books have you read?

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

What, if any EU books have you read?

In case you were wondering, what I mostly hate about the EU is the 'Inflation' to the technology/vehicles/Jedi power.

The Indestructible and Incredibly Cheesy Sun Crusher, creatures which negate force abilities, Jedi shifting orbiting star destroyers from planetside, force storms obliterating entire fleets, galaxy guns etc etc. Basically, using fan servicing technology and abilities instead of good ole plot/storyline to carry the day.

And they keep blowing up the SSDs!

Edited December 11, 2006 by Retracting Head Ter Ter

[Excillon]

I keep hearing good things about the lego star destroyer...don't own it though.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Shame to hear the Kenner toy costing so much. I remember seeing it once at KayBee, and then it disappeared.

It does suck that the capital ships get so little love.

[Boxer]

The Miniatures SSD is a nice piece... I happen to have one and it's very nice and sturdy. Only complaint is the back end, it's really blunt compared to the Micromachines mini.

I also wish there was a way somehow to secure more Star destroyers other than collecting a lot of expansion kits just to have them. Then again, I also find it strange that it apparently seems possible one could have the Old and new Republic playing on the same side. Technically, the old republic turns into the empire, which casued the New Republic rebellion...

Likewise, I didn't know the CIS and Galactic Empire were best buddies.

Edited December 11, 2006 by Boxer

[Mechleader]

I have it and painted it. It's a nice kit. Cleani it first. Soak it in dish washing detergent for a day or so and then paint away.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I have it and painted it. It's a nice kit. Cleani it first. Soak it in dish washing detergent for a day or so and then paint away.

Got a pic? What paints are recommended for resin? Oil? Acrylic? Enamel? I am terrified of messing it up since its not a mass produced kit.

[HoveringCheesecake]

In case you were wondering, what I mostly hate about the EU is the 'Inflation' to the technology/vehicles/Jedi power.

The Indestructible and Incredibly Cheesy Sun Crusher, creatures which negate force abilities, Jedi shifting orbiting star destroyers from planetside, force storms obliterating entire fleets, galaxy guns etc etc. Basically, using fan servicing technology and abilities instead of good ole plot/storyline to carry the day.

And they keep blowing up the SSDs!

Oh, I agree with you there. I prefer the EU that is along the lines of the Rogue Squadron books. Takes place shortly after the movies.

It sounds like you really hate the books with Admiral Daala as well as Dark Empire. I don't blame you...

[Warmaker]

There's very few EU books worth reading since as someone said before, alot of the writers get carried away, especially with the Force.

Heck, lately with the newer books, there's TIME TRAVEL!

With power, ability, and technology, the movies were more subtle than the "POW! BAM! ZOOM! BOOM!" of the books, which tend to go overboard.

As for models of the SSD, I have yet to find any official releases. Even the regular Star Destroyer hasn't had a new kit in decades. The old ones are inaccurate (AMT/ERTL/MPC).

There's some fan made kits (resin) of the ISD but you have to hunt for them.

Lucasfilm has been cracking down on fan-made kits of all things Star Wars.

SMT used to have a resin kit lineup of all kinds of Star Wars vehicles: T-47 Snowspeeder, Alphabet Fighters, the various movie TIEs plus TIE Avenger & TIE Defender, all at 1/48 scale. I bought the TIE Defender & TIE Avenger kits.

They even had a resin 1/35 AT-AT.

They all were pretty d**n accurate and were done quite nicely.

But Lucasfilm brought the law down and forced SMT to discontinue their Star Wars line.

Pretty sad, since you can't find a decent kit of most of these items. That, or they're overpriced while lacking on the accuracy.

[chrono]

The EU is a mere extension of existing SW movies in it's over the top BS.

About 3 years ago I saw an 80's SD kit(3 foot version) but they wanted around 300 for it. LOL!

[HoveringCheesecake]

The EU is a mere extension of existing SW movies in it's over the top BS.

About 3 years ago I saw an 80's SD kit(3 foot version) but they wanted around 300 for it. LOL!

Mmm, yes I forgot that the idea of giant alien men attacking Earth wasn't over the top.

[TSP]

Some crazy collector build this one and trashed it.

Imperial Star Destroyer 6'4"

[Mercurial Morpheus]

Dumbass. He probably could've sold it, knowing some fans out there.

Edited December 14, 2006 by Mercurial Morpheus

[Warmaker]

The EU is a mere extension of existing SW movies in it's over the top BS.

About 3 years ago I saw an 80's SD kit(3 foot version) but they wanted around 300 for it. LOL!

Just so you know:

There never had been any Officially made Star Destroyer model kits that are even 12 inches or longer put out for the general public to buy. If the ISD you're speaking of is really 3 feet long, then it was a fan made kit. Resin is rarely used for something that large... it'd be heavy and expensive. In all likeliness, it was scratchbuilt. Meaning, someone (the guy you saw or someone else) had to get the materials together, measure the cuts, cut them, piece them together, and find all kinds of whatever materials.

I can't comment if the model you saw is worth $300. I don't see pictures of it, especially if it really is from the 80s.

The Ertl kits from the 80s are inaccurate and less than 12 inches long. They're fine for the casual Star Wars fan, but as you may or may not know, there's a very good number of model builders who want highly accurate kits of any subject they build. Jets, tanks, cars, ships, and even sci-fi related subjects.

There are guys that go on a commission to scratchbuild 24 inch long Star Destroyers with painstaking accuracy (even including lights). But the cost isn't cheap. I have one and put it in a nice display. I simply don't have that level of model building ability

You can see some of them over at Starshipmodeller.com's forums, under the Star Wars section. Star Trek also has a healthier sized model forum there, too. I'd post a direct link but I'm at work (killing productivity) and the place won't display right on this computer.

Edited December 15, 2006 by Warmaker

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Just so you know:

There never had been any Officially made Star Destroyer model kits that are even 12 inches or longer put out for the general public to buy.

The Ertl kits from the 80s are inaccurate and less than 12 inches long. They're fine for the casual Star Wars fan,

I have one and put it in a nice display. I simply don't have that level of model building ability

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I have the ERTL kit. Its 15 inches. I know its not very accurate but as a stand-alone, I still love it.

Can I see pics of the customised scratchbuilt SD you mentioned? Thanks!

Edited December 15, 2006 by Retracting Head Ter Ter

[Warmaker]

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I have the ERTL kit. Its 15 inches. I know its not very accurate but as a stand-alone, I still love it.

Can I see pics of the customised scratchbuilt SD you mentioned? Thanks!

24" ISD

The link above is the page set up by the maker. It was to give me images of the final stages as well as posting it up on a modeling forum he frequents.

Like I said, I'm quite happy with the work but it wasn't cheap.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

24" ISD

The link above is the page set up by the maker. It was to give me images of the final stages as well as posting it up on a modeling forum he frequents.

Like I said, I'm quite happy with the work but it wasn't cheap.

Thats a pretty fantastic looking SD. That one is yours now?

What is the cost like? Couple of thousand?

[Warmaker]

Just at 1k.

It wasn't cheap, but unless Lucasfilm licenses out some official, large scale, accurate Star Destroyer models, then modellers who can scratchbuild are your only course of action if you really want a big, accurate ISD.

I have no relationship now, so I have alot of time and money I can make a decent model, but I don't have the skill to do what that guy did.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Just at 1k.

It wasn't cheap, but unless Lucasfilm licenses out some official, large scale, accurate Star Destroyer models, then modellers who can scratchbuild are your only course of action if you really want a big, accurate ISD.

I have no relationship now, so I have alot of time and money I can make a decent model, but I don't have the skill to do what that guy did.

I just saw his site, he is making a 36 inch SSD! That should be something, judging by the quality of his 24' SD.

[Mechleader]

I used Acryllic paint from Tamayia.

Heres a pic of mine...but I take lousy pics..

Edited December 19, 2006 by Mechleader

[Warmaker]

The SSD, or for us "Star Wars Geeks," the Executor-Class, has always been something highly desired by Star Wars fans to be made in some sort of model kit.

It amazes me that Lucasfilm has yet to even release an official model kit of the ship. Even during the 80s they didn't do any... but then again, the MPC/ERTL Star Wars kits back then were notorious for bad fits, large gaps, and inaccuracy

I recall as a kid having a big MPC/ERTL Scout Trooper + Speederbike. The pose, size, and display stand were just fine. The Speederbike wasn't much of a problem. But the Scout Trooper had huge gaps and bad fitting.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

OT for a bit.

I never liked how some fans push for there to be Star Cruisers, BattleCruisers, Battleships/Dreadnaughts etc as ship classes bigger then Star Destroyers.

The SW Galaxy does not have to follow Earth naval terms. Besides, if one studies the history of the word 'Destroyer' as it is used in navies. It is a contraction of 'Torpedo Boat Destroyer'. Meaning a destroyer of torpedo boats.

Now, the Star Destroyers are meant to subjugate entire star systems, hence the name Star (System) Destroyer. And even if the Executor was much more massive, it can still be classified as a Star Destroyer. After all, on earth we have 'Battleships' ranging from 20000 tons to 70000 tons. And 'Carriers' ranging from 17000 to 95000 tons.

[Lynx7725]

It's just a definitions thing. People like to keep their definitions constant, with a frame of reference to the real world.

When you consider how the Star Destroyers are used in the films, they aren't really the escort vessels the nomenclenture "destroyers" imply. It's rather silly to continue to try to hammer these ships-of-the-line into that particular pigeonhole.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

When you consider how the Star Destroyers are used in the films, they aren't really the escort vessels the nomenclenture "destroyers" imply. It's rather silly to continue to try to hammer these ships-of-the-line into that particular pigeonhole.

Exactly, it pisses me off when people try to argue that just because Naval Destroyers are escort ships, STAR Destroyers must also be escort ships. BAH!

Besides, the MC80 Star CRUISERS are obviously smaller then the Imperators.

[David Hingtgen]

Plus the fact that Naval ship designations constantly change, and are inconsistent from nation to nation. What the US calls a destroyer, is a cruiser to most everyone else. What we used to call a frigate changed to destroyer, but would now be a cruiser. Frigates are now basically what were corvettes. Naming ships (and designating their type) is mainly political anyways--plenty of ships had their type or mission changed (PURELY ON PAPER, the ship itself didn't alter a rivet) simply to get approval from congress.

See "through-deck cruiser" for the all-time best example.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Digging up this old thread.

Finally some official SSD love. Although I wish it was Fine Molds or Kotobukiya doing it instead of Lego.

http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/10221_UCS_Super_Star_Destroyer

This old news here?

[David Hingtgen]

I don't think it's old news here, though I was aware of this some weeks ago. There's just not a big LEGO contingent here AFAIK. I too would love a Fine Molds version or something. An SSD is so finely detailed that not even this big a LEGO can do it justice, comparing the scale of it vs the smallest parts LEGO has.

[eugimon]

good lord, way too big to own but it pleases me just to know it's out there.