Fort Max Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 It looks very impressive in person, especially with the shoulder lights turned on. The only thing that has made me so far hesitate to buy it is the cloth joint covers. Graham You don't mind the very visible screws in the fore arms? Quote
Graham Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 I'd prefer the screws weren't so visible on the forearms, but in a way they sort of add to the old school charm that IMO the toy possess, so I can live with them. Graham Quote
danth Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 Good for them. Me, I'm gonna save for their Legioss/Tread. I want the Legioss/Tread too, which is why I said they might get a whole lotta money from me. I want to reward CM for making Mospeada toys, so maybe I'll even get some CM Votoms stuff too. I agree with the complaint about the velvet...it's too fuzzy for a police robot. I love the rest of it though. Quote
Los Posted February 27, 2007 Posted February 27, 2007 I finally noticed the cloth over the joints this past weekend. The fuzziness does look kinda weird. Quote
newca Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 Nope, this time CM's doesn't have covers for screws, Daxx! But I think those 4 screws on the forearms make the INGRAM more powerful feeling, MHO. I hate those on the legs though. There are about 80% diecast material over all. All most everywhere white is metal, except the head, hands and should covers(the exchange parts for INGRAM 1 and 2). Price is a little bit high even for me as a more PATLABOR fan than MACROSS, 12800 JPY, about 100 USD I guess. Quote
eugimon Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 I try to limit my non macross purchases but I guess this will have to be one of the exceptions. Quote
BoBe-Patt Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 so any word on the final price for this yet? In the beginning I thought this sucker was gonna be 150, now I'm hearing it's around 100 bucks? Quote
Mowe Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 I wonder if the cloth can be removed and let the joint exposed. The more I look at them, the more I am irritated. $100 is bearable, but given the amount of diecast, I can only remain hopeful. Quote
Duymon Posted February 28, 2007 Posted February 28, 2007 They don't look better than the MG Ingrams that came out 6 years ago. MG Ingrams are less sturdy, but they look a helluva lot better without all the screw holes Plus MG's also had reactive armor versions which were the bizomb Quote
Graham Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Cheapest I've seen this here in HK has been HK$650 (US$84). Getting very tempted. Graham Quote
Mowe Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Tempting indeed Cheapest I've seen this here in HK has been HK$650 (US$84). Getting very tempted. Graham Quote
BoBe-Patt Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 wow, that cheap? I'll buy it if it's that cheap! Quote
Godzilla Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 (edited) wow, that cheap? I'll buy it if it's that cheap! I am buying this. BBTS has them for pretty expensive ($130). HLJ is the cheapest. I havent seen it on Tamin's site. I guess when I will go to Shanghai in April and see how much they are. Edited March 2, 2007 by Godzilla Quote
drifand Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 I am buying this. BBTS has them for pretty expensive ($130). HLJ is the cheapest. I havent seen it on Tamin's site. I guess when I will go to Shanghai in April and see how much they are. Shanghai isn't exactly a toy paradise... there's only one street there with any collectible merchandise and the prices are higher than in HK. Quote
drifand Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 OK, I just opened mine - 170 SGD here in Singapore. I think it's worth every penny. The metal content is so high even the riot shield is diecast! What's NOT metal? Head, modular shoulder armor, upper arm armor, cockpit hatches, battery cover, hands, swap-out chest lights, soles of feet, antenna & weapons. Since the toy is roughly 17~18 cm tall, that makes it about 1/48 scale. I took out my 80s-vintage 1/48 Dougram for a quick comparison... Although the Ingram is 'only' 3/5 the size of the Dougram, it actually weighs more! Details & Gimmicks: - The cockpit hatch works well, although the PVC figurines are not so easy to fit inside. It was fun to raise the seats up to expose the pilot's head in the neck hollow. - Leg hatch for the revolver cannon is also diecast, and is linked to the pallet. Opening the hatch will slide the pallet+gun upwards so that the extended right forearm can reach it more easily. I think only the MG kit has this feature? - The battery-op patrol lights in each shoulder are actually 5 LEDs that twinkle in series to give the illusion of 'revolving' lights. Not cheesy at all. Nice! - All 'clear parts' like visors, cockpit windows/HUD, orange warning lights are indeed clear plastic. - Major insignia are clearly tampo printed. Only stickers are for unit 1 & 2's 'license plates', and unit 1's 'Alphonse'. Posability is actually pretty good. The legs are of course not as flexible as the Revoltechs, but I like the neutrality of the hip joints which allow a far more realistic kneeling pose than I though possible. I'm currently displaying mine as Ohta's machine... I think I'll need to find another one for Izumi soon! Quote
Mowe Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Since the toy is roughly 17~18 cm tall, that makes it about 1/48 scale. I took out my 80s-vintage 1/48 Dougram for a quick comparison... Although the Ingram is 'only' 3/5 the size of the Dougram, it actually weighs more! Um...it is only 18cm?? I keep imagining it is bigger like Gunbuster, damn, not as big as I hoped.... Quote
drifand Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Um...it is only 18cm?? I keep imagining it is bigger like Gunbuster, damn, not as big as I hoped.... No, it's not as big as I hoped for, but it IS very nicely made. Once you have it in your hands, you'll be glad to own it. I'm thinking ahead of how to slow down the inevitable yellowing, especially for the plastic parts. Most likely, I'll take it apart and spray a gloss clear coat over affected areas. And keep it out of direct sunlight. Quote
Mr March Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 I really want one of these. THe price isn't bad either. Naturally it's expensive, but what toy from Japan isn't overpriced nowadays. Quote
Fort Max Posted March 3, 2007 Posted March 3, 2007 Damn you Drifand, now I want one! But I can't afford one. Quote
Graham Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Broke down and picked up one yesteday for HK$658 (US$85). Not all shops in HK are that cheap and I did have to shop around to find such a good deal. Initial thoughts are that the sculpt is great, as is the paint application. Articulation is also fairly good. With all the diecast it's got a nice heft to it, although to be honest I'm not a huge fan of diecast in mecha toys as I always worry about paint chipping and hate it once a diecast toy gets a chip exposing the bare metal (not something you have to worry about with ABS toys). The styrofoam tray, gives the toy a nice old school feel. The shoulder LEDs are very well done and when switched on really look light police light bars. There are a few things I think CM's could have done better though, regarding the gimmicks and features: - 1) The little pop-up lights on the top of the chest don't actually pop up, they are in fact swapable parts for closed lights and open lights. This was a bit disappointing as at the size and price they could have made them folding. 2) Although the pilot seat can be reaised to the up position, it is not easy and required me to use a flat-tip srewdriver to to push the seat up. It would have been better if CM's could have added some sort of lever of switch to raise and lower the [pilot seat. 3) The heads actually include a moveable 'narrow-slit' riot visor, but it seems like you have to actually disassemble the head and remove the standard green visor before you can raise the riot visor. This is a bit of a half-assed design effort, they could have easily designed the head so that the green visor pushes out of the way as the riot visor is raised, without needing to disassemble the whole thing. 4) The shield attaches with two pegs, but they are not really secure enough and the shield does come off quite easily and the heavy weight of the diecast shield doesn't help. I would have preferred an ABS shield with better attachment points. 5) The screw holes should have had covers. 6) The cloth covers on the hip joints come untucked quite easily and CM's actually provide you with a small tool to push them back.....LOL! All in all, it's a nice toy with good QC and IMO certainly the best interpretation of the Ingram in toy form to date, but does have a few design related issues. Graham Quote
drifand Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 'Old school' is right; the slight miscues (eg. exposed screws) makes this feel more like a Bandai DX toy from the 90s than a modern 'collectible', but then again, I'll take what I can get especially if it's this well-made. I agree the 'riot visor' gimmick could've been better designed, but I really appreciated another aspect of the No. 2 head... its shared lineage with the original No. 1 Ingram head is beautifully realised in the modular head parts. From the series storyline, it was explained that because Ohta got into fights so frequently, the factory ran out of original spare parts for his labor. So, they were 'forced' to develop new parts for his machine. The CM's No. 2 head actually looks 80-percent like the No. 1 if you remove the distintive oversized visor! Now I can see that 'over visor' as additional protection for the main camera/visor... kind of like a huge pair of tactical goggles. Nice! I went back to the local toy haunts today but the Movie edition is already sold out everywhere. For a while, I was actually considering waiting it out and buying THREE of the TV editions (making 4 in total) so that I can have No. 1, 2 & 3 in their proper livery. But sanity ruled Quote
Mr March Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Oh, stop talking about it! You're making my willpower waver! Quote
Sephiroth Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Thanks for the reviews, guys. I was kinda on the fence on whether or not to get the Ingram, but I went ahead and picked one up from www.toy-wave.com when I ordered the L-Gaim that just got released. By the way, anyone else picking up Megahouse's Limited Model Action Heavy Metal La-Gaim? I can't wait to compare it with my vintage 1/100 L-Gaim. Quote
drifand Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 By the way, anyone else picking up Megahouse's Limited Model Action Heavy Metal La-Gaim? I can't wait to compare it with my vintage 1/100 L-Gaim. Hate to be the pessimist but the Megahouse L-Gaim (and Vatshu) has been quite disappointing in the only major review seen so far: http://pony-hp3.web.infoseek.co.jp/MEGA-L.htm What I understood from his rant: - "The photos may look nice but don't be fooled! The paint is unevenly applied." - The shoulder joints for L-gaim are unbalanced. - Meagre selection of accessories for the price. NO BACKPACK!!! - Lousy paintjob on the Spiralflow, plus... - it doesn't stow away correctly in the chest cavity. - Power Launcher and shield doesn't fit well on forearms. - Limited posability (I'm damn curious about the seemingly crippled hip joints) - Stupid situation for the saber because the un-fired ones are permanently molded on arms. Hope you didn't pay full price for it :-/ Quote
Sephiroth Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 Hate to be the pessimist but the Megahouse L-Gaim (and Vatshu) has been quite disappointing in the only major review seen so far: http://pony-hp3.web.infoseek.co.jp/MEGA-L.htm What I understood from his rant: - "The photos may look nice but don't be fooled! The paint is unevenly applied." - The shoulder joints for L-gaim are unbalanced. - Meagre selection of accessories for the price. NO BACKPACK!!! - Lousy paintjob on the Spiralflow, plus... - it doesn't stow away correctly in the chest cavity. - Power Launcher and shield doesn't fit well on forearms. - Limited posability (I'm damn curious about the seemingly crippled hip joints) - Stupid situation for the saber because the un-fired ones are permanently molded on arms. Hope you didn't pay full price for it :-/ Yeah, I saw that review, but it didn't discourage me. I still think it looks pretty neat and and the paint/detailing issues I can fix myself. I'm really disappointed that the backpack wasn't included for the price I paid. Quote
drifand Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 That's the spirit! I think it could make a fairly decent display piece, but I'm really hoping for a more thorough execution from Bandai... like a SOC or SPEC release. You should follow up with a review when it arrives. I'd love to hear a second opinion. Quote
Black Valkyrie Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 drifand and Graham both of you thanks for your reviews, it shows how the QC might turn out for the upcoming Legioss. Quote
Fort Max Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 The Leigoss already looks nicer then the Ingram, I don't know if the vintage look was intentional but I really hate those exposed screws. Quote
Black Valkyrie Posted March 4, 2007 Posted March 4, 2007 I really hate those exposed screws. No problem for me Quote
Graham Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 You tend to notice the exposed screws more in the publicity photos. When you actually have the toy in your hands they are less of an issue. The quality of this bodes well for the Legioss & Tread. Now if only CM's would make a diecast Helldiver. Graham Quote
Mowe Posted March 5, 2007 Posted March 5, 2007 I don't mind the screws myself but for those whom do, may be you guys can do use a quality sticker sheet and cut screw cap to cover the screw holes like Bandai do with their SOC? Quote
drifand Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Took a couple of quick snaps this evening... I liked the 02 head's shared heritage with the original design. Just pop off the 'goggles' and you'll find an Ingram underneath. The toy is either 1/48 scale or very close to it. My spare figure for Noa fits nicely in the vacated cockpit of the 1/48 Actic Gear Brutishdog. Both Noa and Ohta have been slightly detailed up around their faces with Gundam Markers. The kneeling pose is actually pretty decent and the lights look good too. I'm quite amazed at how CM's managed to fit the wiring and still allow the shoulder armor to pivot on its own ball-joint. RED ALERT! BERSERK LABORS ON THE LOOSE!!! Really hope to see a CM's Type-Zero or Griffon someday soon :-) Quote
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted March 6, 2007 Posted March 6, 2007 Can you guys post pics of it next to a valkrie? Either VF-1-1/55, 1/60, or 1/48,I am tempted by this as I love Patlabor and loved the TV series when I was younger, and this seems to be the best toy on the market for labors. Quote
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