Keith Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 One more question on heating up, then I swear I'll stop I've noticed that the top rear left definately seems to get pretty warm, and I'm assuming that's where the power supply is. Again, normal?
GutsAndCasca Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Well, my Ps3 blows out some pretty hot air (It's like a space heater as you mentioned earlier!) but when I touch the top of the box it isn't hot at all. But --- just to be on the safe side, I ordered a USB plug-in fan cooler last night. Heck, I ordered quite a bit of peripheral stuf. I'm going to keep this baby in tip-top condition for as long as I possibly can! Playstation 4 won't be out probably for another ten years, so.
Gaijin Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 One more question on heating up, then I swear I'll stop I've noticed that the top rear left definately seems to get pretty warm, and I'm assuming that's where the power supply is. Again, normal? i Warm after how long? Mine will get a lil warm there after watching a movie or something but no warmer than my old PS2 and Xbox did. In fact, my newer slim PS2 gets warmer on the top than that even with the external power. Heck of a lot cooler than 360. The power is in there area though. As long as the vented air coming out is unblocked on the right and rear, you should be fine.
JsARCLIGHT Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Well, last night I cleared a spot on my entertainment center console, plugged in one of my extra HDMI cables and plugged and routed an extra optical cable from my receiver. I'm all set for my PS3 Blu Ray player and it should be a simply "plug and play" situation now. So what is still holding me back? I dunno. I'm usually the kind of guy who runs out and buys all the latest electronics just to gleen a slight advancement in picture and sound technology but for some reason I'm extra hesitant about the PS3. I think all the propaganda and fighting between the Blu Ray people and the HD DVD people as well as all the fighting between the Xbox and PS people combined with a complete lack of games I want for the PS3 and a near lack of movies I want in Blu Ray right now just leave me cold. I want to capitalize on the price point and the free movies but it's still a carrot... and I hate carrots. I just wish Pixar would hurry up and poop out their movies on Blu Ray already... it would make this decision soooooooo much easier for me. Also seeing something like Blade Runner or Aliens or Indiana Jones on Blu Ray would also seal the deal. So many promises but so little delivery. About all I see that I would buy right now would be Casino Royale, BHD and the new re-release of Fifth Element when it shows up. After that comes Surfs Up (October) and then whatever Pixar finally releases combined with whatever Fox finally releases... Seems like such a waste to spend so much for so little in the present... This is also the first ever game console I've ever bought in which there were absolutely ZERO games for it that I wanted... seriously... there is nothing for it now or what I see coming in the future that looks interesting. Everything I want to play is going to be Xbox, which I already own. This is my dilemma...
TheLoneWolf Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I want to capitalize on the price point and the free movies but it's still a carrot... and I hate carrots. I think you're in a unique position to wait since you're an A/V junkie and not really a hard core gamer. As a gamer, the reason I'm tempted to pounce on the $100 savings is that I want a PS3 that will include actual PS2 hardware so that it'll play nearly all PS2 games flawlessly. If I decide to wait until next year, the newer PS3's will drop the PS2 hardware in favor of software emulation which will result in lower PS2 game compatibility. But since you don't really play PS2 games you can wait until next year or even later when the PS3 price drops even further. And believe me, the price will drop. As for me, I've decided to buy a used 60gb version once the used prices hit the mid $300's. Sony has put together a very robust system with the PS3 so I have no problem going with used. It also helps to work in a video game store where I can pick out the best used system for myself.
emajnthis Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 pretty much the only two games that PS3 has that i'm remotely interested in is Tekken5:DR and Ninja Gaiden, but definitely not enough for me to actually purchase one. maybe if it drops in the 300 range at some point, i'll pick one up.
JsARCLIGHT Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 OK, I've managed to talk myself into getting one on the way home from work tonight... IF... Does anyone know if the PS3 will upscale standard DVDs to HD resolutions through the HDMI? I keep searching online and finding conflicting answers. If it DOES upscale through the HDMI then I might as well get it as nothing I have right now upscales to HD res, only 480p. But if it doesn't then I might as well wait.
TheLoneWolf Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I'm pretty sure somewhere in this thread someone said that they downloaded the latest update and it did upscale SD DVD's to near HD quality.
David Hingtgen Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 My brother just got a PS3 a few days ago and said DVD's look MUCH better on his HDTV through a PS3 HDMI, than through his standard player---it must upscale pretty nicely.
JsARCLIGHT Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 That kind of jives with some of the info I've been seeing (the update thing). First I kept seeing reviews and people say it didn't, then there were people who said it did, of course with the usual flocks of people calling bullshit followed by people swearing up and down it does with some retard jumping in to say XBOXZ RULEZ JOO! By my understanding it will NOT upscale past 480p through anything but HDMI due to the industry "rules" about upscaling through "unprotected" connections. Plus the Xbox HD DVD thing does NOT upscale normal DVDs (due to the non HDMI connection I belive) hence why I wanted to make sure the PS3 did indeed upscale. Looks like I'll have to go shopping on my way home tonight. Ps3 + Casino Royale + BHD.
Ghadrack Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Here is the PS3 firware upgrade posting fro the playstations network from May that added DVD and PS1/PS2 upscaling. You can search the AVS forums for comparisons to other upscaling players, it offers a coparable if not superior upscale to my Panasonic DVR. Latest PLAYSTATION®3 Firmware Update Adds Upscaling for PlayStation®/PlayStation®2 Games and DVD Movies Remote Play on PSP®(PlayStation®Portable) System via...Print FOSTER CITY, Calif., May 23, 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) today announced that the next regular system software update for the PLAYSTATION3 (PS3) computer entertainment system (version 1.80) will be available on Thursday, May 24, and will add upscaling of PlayStation/PlayStation2 games and DVD movies up to 1080p resolution. Now, in addition to displaying native high-definition (HD) content in the highest possible quality (1080p), PS3 system can turn standard definition content into a vibrant HD-quality experience. The latest firmware update also gives PS3 owners more flexibility to enjoy their digital entertainment content where they want to. The Remote Play feature for using a PSP(PlayStationPortable) system to access photos, videos, and music on a PS3 systems hard drive will be available from outside of a users own home via any Wi-Fi Internet connection, upon the next PSP firmware update. Additionally, PS3 can now play back media content stored on a personal computer or digital video recorder with Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) capability over a home network. As adoption of HDTVs continues to surge, we know that consumers are hungry for content, and this latest firmware update leverages the PS3s technology to deliver an HD-quality experience using the entertainment media already in your collection, said Peter Dille, senior vice president of marketing, SCEA. In addition, we continue to enhance the PS3s capabilities as an entertainment hub, giving consumers the option to bring their content with them on-the-go, or to stream photos, videos, and music stored on their PC to the PS3 in their living room. Thats often where the largest TV monitor and sound system is located, giving consumers the best possible entertainment experience. Upscaling Games and Movies SCEA is enhancing the PS3 user experience by enabling PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games to be upscaled to HD resolution, up to 1080p. Classic games as well as recently released titles can now be enjoyed like never before. And PS3 system now has the capability to upscale DVD videos to HD quality (up to 1080p), a feature typically limited to top-of-the-line DVD players. Upscaling games requires an HDMI or component AV cable, while upscaling DVD-ROM (including DVD Video content) requires an HDMI cable and HDMI compatible TV set.
Baldrick Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I picked one up last week, and yes it does upscale via HDMI. Pick up the bluetooth remote, it's worth it.
Gaijin Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 It upscales very nicely. I was impressed after the update.
cobywan Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 And it works on Componenet out as well. I think it's 1080P that has to go through HDMI on all players. I think.
the white drew carey Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I think I asked this before, but I'm having trouble finding it in this thread: My TV had a DVI port, does that mean I can run the video through an HDMI cable, but that I need to connect the audio differently (ie- Optical, yPBRmeASaP, or plain old audio cables)??? Also, I recall someone saying that you can get HD through your component cables, but I'm assuming an HDMI cablewould be better? I'm real;y trying to justify a PS3 purchase to the mrs., and the only two selling points I have on her right now are 1) Our current DVD's may look better (and it plays Blu-Ray), and 2) Beautiful Katamari.
Ghadrack Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 (edited) I think I asked this before, but I'm having trouble finding it in this thread: My TV had a DVI port, does that mean I can run the video through an HDMI cable, but that I need to connect the audio differently (ie- Optical, yPBRmeASaP, or plain old audio cables)??? Also, I recall someone saying that you can get HD through your component cables, but I'm assuming an HDMI cablewould be better? I'm real;y trying to justify a PS3 purchase to the mrs., and the only two selling points I have on her right now are 1) Our current DVD's may look better (and it plays Blu-Ray), and 2) Beautiful Katamari. If I understand your set up correctly, yes you will need to get an HDMI to DVI adaptor and connect your audio via seperate cable. So Far as upsacling through component, I don't know for sure, never tried it, but the Sony statement says that to get the benefit of upscaling for DVD video you have to go through HDMI, for gaming, you may use component. I have played Gears of War through component cables on my 1080I TV (just an example of HD through component)and it looked fantastic although I don't know the resolution the 360 projects via HDMI, I don't have the PS3 component cables to test for a difference, but I take them at their word that this is not a feature they have enabled and you are restricted to HDMI cables to get the benefit of DVD upscaling. Edited July 16, 2007 by Ghadrack
yellowlightman Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I'm real;y trying to justify a PS3 purchase to the mrs., and the only two selling points I have on her right now are 1) Our current DVD's may look better (and it plays Blu-Ray), and 2) Beautiful Katamari. Beautiful Katamari was cancelled for the PS3, right now it's only been confirmed for the 360 although it's likely it will be coming out on the Wii.
JsARCLIGHT Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 From what I know it is "illegal" for any HD DVD/Blu Ray player to upscale standard def DVDs through anything but HDMI, DVI or VGA. The "illegal" is not in "breaking the law" illegal but it goes against the "rules" that the industry has laid down for upconversion of standard definition media. According to many sources you are not supposed to be able to have a player upcponvert to anything above 480p through component cables due to the "risk" of piracy. Don't ask me to explain it, that is the only way I have heard it described. That is why I asked about the PS3, because the XBox 360 HD DVD player WILL NOT upconvert standard definition DVDs past 480p because it is traveling over component cables. I hear people claim that if you have the Elite (which has HDMI) or if you hook your regular Xbox up with the VGA cables that it will upconvert but outside of internet fanboy claims I have seen nothing positive on that front. WDC: I know someone who has done the HDMI to DVI thing. He said it worked. He, like me, runs his audio separate to a receiver anyway. He has an early CRT HDTV that only has DVI in and he was able to get his Toshiba upconvert DVD player HDMI to go into that DVI input with a speical cable he bought at a Radio Shack. The cable is HDMI on one end and DVI out on the other end.
Gaijin Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 (edited) PS3 can only upscale DVD's through HDMI. There aren't any players that do otherwise. Some 360 owners used to swear they saw upscaled DVD's through component when MS added scaling over VGA but they obviously didn't know what they were talking about. Games can upscale through component but DVD movies will only be upscaled through HDMI. HDMI to DVI will work on most televisions, there are a few that are finicky though. You can get HD from component up to 1080i with games and Blu-ray discs. With DVD's you will only get up to 480p. With HDMI, you can get up to 1080p with games, Blu-ray, and get upscaled DVD's. It's really a matter of whether you have a true 1080p set mostly. As far as audio...HDMI will get you more including 7.1 on soome games and uncompressed audio on Blu-ray discs (freakin' unreal). OPtical will get you 2 channel and 5.1. Amazon has the $499 60 Gig with the Bluetooth remote for free, as well as a copy of Resident Evil Apocalypse, plus the free 5 discs from the BDA. Best deal right now. http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=U...;pf_rd_i=468642 Edited July 16, 2007 by Gaijin
the white drew carey Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Beautiful Katamari was cancelled for the PS3, right now it's only been confirmed for the 360 although it's likely it will be coming out on the Wii. WTF!?! Sh!t. I really like the Katamari series, but I really don't want to get a 360 if I can avoid it.
jwinges Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 From what I know it is "illegal" for any HD DVD/Blu Ray player to upscale standard def DVDs through anything but HDMI, DVI or VGA. The "illegal" is not in "breaking the law" illegal but it goes against the "rules" that the industry has laid down for upconversion of standard definition media. According to many sources you are not supposed to be able to have a player upcponvert to anything above 480p through component cables due to the "risk" of piracy. Don't ask me to explain it, that is the only way I have heard it described. That is why I asked about the PS3, because the XBox 360 HD DVD player WILL NOT upconvert standard definition DVDs past 480p because it is traveling over component cables. I hear people claim that if you have the Elite (which has HDMI) or if you hook your regular Xbox up with the VGA cables that it will upconvert but outside of internet fanboy claims I have seen nothing positive on that front. WDC: I know someone who has done the HDMI to DVI thing. He said it worked. He, like me, runs his audio separate to a receiver anyway. He has an early CRT HDTV that only has DVI in and he was able to get his Toshiba upconvert DVD player HDMI to go into that DVI input with a speical cable he bought at a Radio Shack. The cable is HDMI on one end and DVI out on the other end. Upconverion can be done with component...its just not very typical. My PC can upconvert DVD to 1080i or 1080p using Component cables. My DVD player also suposedly can with a firmware hack. The HDMI to DVI adaptors work good. Personally I think the whole HDMI thing is a total crock. It usually ruins your audio timing and they are so overpriced its rediculous. I had my sister who works at best buy pick me one up. It was priced at $72 but cost +20% was only $16. All for a garbage HDMI cable.
Ghadrack Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 For cables, Monoprice.com is your friend. HDMI cables run you about 6 dollars. The retail stores use them as a major mark-up item since you need them for your system and after spending a grand plus on a set, most people don't think too much about a 50 to 70 dollar cable they just put it on the plastic with their set.
eugimon Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 yeah, don't pay more than 15 bucks for an HDMI cable, unlike component cables, these guys transmit a digital signal. either it works or it doesn't.
Keith Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 WTF!?! Sh!t. I really like the Katamari series, but I really don't want to get a 360 if I can avoid it. He's messing with you.
Smiley424 Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Here's an article on IGN Katamari Cancelled on PS3. Looks like the game creator just didn't want to make anymore, turn it into a franchise.
Smiley424 Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Here's an article from Gamasutra Katamari Team Dissolved.
yellowlightman Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 He's messing with you. I'm not, as Smiley424's link points out Beautiful Katamari was cancelled for the PS3. Bummer.
Radd Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) I figure it's only a matter of time before the 360 version cancellation is announced, if the sole reason for the cancellation is that the creator didn't want to make it into a franchise. Also, he apparently has a personal grudge against Nintendo, I doubt a Wii version is forthcoming. The guy behind the series is kinda odd, in a respectable sort of way. He apparently hates the gaming industry, in particular he hates how slowly it moves forward, with the studios all milking the past for all it's worth and being afraid of pushing new ideas. He makes a compelling argument with Katamari, a little innovation done right pushing an obscure little title into stardom. **edit** Well, ignore that bit about not likely seeing a Wii version. http://wii.ign.com/articles/800/800761p1.html Edited July 17, 2007 by Radd
Radd Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Hmm, I thought the creator had left the company after the first game, for the stated reason of not wanting to turn Katamari into a franchise?
myk Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 WDC: I know someone who has done the HDMI to DVI thing. He said it worked. He, like me, runs his audio separate to a receiver anyway. He has an early CRT HDTV that only has DVI in and he was able to get his Toshiba upconvert DVD player HDMI to go into that DVI input with a speical cable he bought at a Radio Shack. The cable is HDMI on one end and DVI out on the other end. Radio Shack?! Oh man, I'm there...
GutsAndCasca Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 I'm not an expert on Katamari, but I've read about it briefly in EGM or Play magazine. It looks like a weirded-out crock of crap that I wouldn't waste a free-rental ticket on at Hollywood video. The fact that this won't be released on PS3 seems like more of a reason to celebrate than to lament. If they cancel Bladestorm then I'll be pist. I know it's a bit late to be saying this, but I'm playing through the solo mode in Resistance and dang. This game is absolutely awesome. i can't believe this is a system release title.
yellowlightman Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) I'm not an expert on Katamari, but I've read about it briefly in EGM or Play magazine. It looks like a weirded-out crock of crap that I wouldn't waste a free-rental ticket on at Hollywood video. The fact that this won't be released on PS3 seems like more of a reason to celebrate than to lament. Considering that both Katamari games received good reviews and has been pretty much universally liked, I'd say you're either trying to hate on it to be different... or you've fallen head over heels into your Sony fanboyism (Bladestorm? Gimme a break...). Edited July 17, 2007 by yellowlightman
wolfx Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Considering that both Katamari games received good reviews and has been pretty much universally liked, I'd say you're either trying to hate on it to be different... or you've fallen head over heels into your Sony fanboyism (Bladestorm? Gimme a break...). How can anybody hate katamari? Everybody LOVES Katamari. "Na naaa nanananananna katamari on a swingggg!"
the white drew carey Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 I'm not an expert on Katamari, but I've read about it briefly in EGM or Play magazine. It looks like a weirded-out crock of crap that I wouldn't waste a free-rental ticket on at Hollywood video. The fact that this won't be released on PS3 seems like more of a reason to celebrate than to lament. If they cancel Bladestorm then I'll be pist. I know it's a bit late to be saying this, but I'm playing through the solo mode in Resistance and dang. This game is absolutely awesome. i can't believe this is a system release title. Yeah, Katamari is weirded-out, but it ain't no crock of crap. It's probably one of the more innovative games to come out for any system, and is strangely addictive.
JsARCLIGHT Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Upconverion can be done with component...its just not very typical. My PC can upconvert DVD to 1080i or 1080p using Component cables. My DVD player also suposedly can with a firmware hack. I've also seen people do it... but it is always with a "hack" and not a "right out of the box DVD player" sort of affair. The upconvert only through HDMI is an industry "rule", no "out of the box" player should break that rule without "help" (a hack). It's all done in an effort to prevent people from upconverting a DVD, recording that upconversion and either keeping it or distributing it. It's all about the money, they want you to purchase the movie again in a next gen HD format and not just "upconvert" your old ones and burn them. Personally I think the whole HDMI thing is a total crock. It's definitely a crock, but not in the price department. HDMI is a secure digital connection which allows the forms of modern copy protection to be in effect. It's a "blind" in that it allows you to get the best possible picture clarity and resolution but at the same time it is enabling the thing you are watching to engage all it's copy protection and security safeguards. While I am not the kind of person who routinely copies DVDs or movies it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing this "new generation" (Blu Ray and HD DVD) is all built around new copy protection and security and that it has this goofy set of "rules" in place regulating how you can hook up your own equipment. Any piece of technology that kneecaps itself in order to force you to hook it up "right" (the way they want you to) is kind of annoying.
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