jorawar_b Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Any idea if this is still comming out for sale? If so when and will they have all the colors?
nightmareB4macross Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Sad to say, the answer is NO. From what I understand. There is not enough demand to produce this toy. And if it were ever produced, the SRP would not be less than 250.00 for a Tred (static) fighter.
jorawar_b Posted July 22, 2006 Author Posted July 22, 2006 That really sucks... I wish someone would make a 1/48 scale resin kit of both fighters
cobywan Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I wouldn't have bought the Alpha if I knew they weren't going to follow through with the Beta.
jorawar_b Posted July 22, 2006 Author Posted July 22, 2006 I just wish someone would make a 1/48 tread to add onto the toynami or even just a kit
captain america Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I wouldn't have bought the Alpha if I knew they weren't going to follow through with the Beta. 418362[/snapback] Amen. It's not bad enough that their toys are junk, but you'd think they would at least follow-through with the line for continuity's sake. "Buy our toys, we'll make newer, better ones" they told us. They have sone neither. At this point, they have no credibility left as far as I'm concerned.
Skullsixx Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 (edited) Dude... their products just plain suck! Did you see the head on that VF-1S? What are they thinking? Edited February 12, 2007 by Skullsixx
GrimlockCW Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Dude... there products just plain suck! Did you see the head on that VF-1S? What are they thinking? 418372[/snapback] heh, i won't buy their stuff for 2 primary reasons 1. they're licensed roblowdrech 2. its 99.9% rehashed versions of the old Taka and bandai figures, with minor upgrades in materials, a couple small joints and the heads with those stupid lights. hardly worth what they originaly were trying to price at, i ended up with a few 1/60 figures from yamato instead, the detail and all is bout 100x better IMHO but thats me i've debated getting the roblowdrech Ben Dixon one or the animation glitch 1R thing, as their kinda uncommon looks, but i can't look at them without thinking "OMFG this thing is crap" and thats just from any pictures i've seen... even the good pics make them look bad. at least my Yamato's can strike some awsome poses with hardly a fault, and those that do get reissued with fixes usualy!
jorawar_b Posted July 22, 2006 Author Posted July 22, 2006 Hey Capt, I guess its up to you now, mybe you will get the 1/32 Alpha done and then a beta, I guess the future is in your hands again. Still the Booster LV is awesome and I am looking forward to your other future kits, but I wish you could fit into the line up a 1/32 alpha/beta.
Grayson72 Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 I wouldn't have bought the Alpha if I knew they weren't going to follow through with the Beta. 418362[/snapback] Exactly, what a bunch of apefaces
jorawar_b Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 well there will be alot of junk toynami toys on ebay for cheap.
big F Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 well there will be alot of junk toynami toys on ebay for cheap. 418413[/snapback] Yeah buy em up get an air gun and line them up.
MechTech Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 I don't buy a lot of toys, but I WOULD have bought that-despite the quality. Oh well... - MT
capt.actionjackson Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 I thought I read somewhere, heck it was probably here, that someone spoke to a Toynami rep at a con recently and they were considering a STATIC/non-transformable Beta that would attach to the Alphas.
007-vf1 Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 Well guys..is time to ask some of the model gurus here to start making a new resin project..??
jorawar_b Posted July 23, 2006 Author Posted July 23, 2006 I think its time to make a poll on how many people would buy a alpha beta 1/48 scale or maybe even a 1/32 scale. Anyone with me? There already is a imai convertable 1/48 alpha, maybe we can get a 1/48 beta made?
jenius Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Dude... there products just plain suck! Did you see the head on that VF-1S? What are they thinking? No, seriously, are you going to tell me that Yamato did a better job with the 1/60 head on their 1S? The Toynami 1S head was the best out there... until Yamato's 1/48. I think its time to make a poll on how many people would buy a alpha beta 1/48 scale or maybe even a 1/32 scale. Anyone with me? There already is a imai convertable 1/48 alpha, maybe we can get a 1/48 beta made? The MPC essentially is the IMAI kit. They are the same size and dimensions and Toynami actually purchased the molds to the IMAI kit and used them to design their MPC molds. I wouldn't worry about the difference between 1/55 and 1/48 scale with the Legioss in MPC or IMAI kit discussions either seeing as the scale is neither 1/55 nor 1/48 but somewhere in between for battloid mode (and simply unapplicable to fighter mode). If you made Beta/Tread to attach to the IMAI kit it would almost certainly attach to the MPC as well. 1/48 scale for a Beta would make it approximately as tall as the MPC VF-1 and something like 4" deep in battloid mode... I don't think you'd really need to get a larger scale than that. Toynami rep at a con recently and they were considering a STATIC/non-transformable Beta that would attach to the Alphas. It's my understanding that Toynami is just kind of shrugging off the Beta and questions related to it at the moment while they determine its fate internally. If I'm not mistaken, the $250 price point originally was said in the context of a guesstimate at what a TRANSFORMABLE Beta MPC would cost and based on that Toynami had begun considering making a non-transformable Beta for significantly less. My take on this, with Shadow Chronicles finally having a deal penned Toynami might just shelve the Beta entirely and wait and see if demand for RT products doesn't pick up. They're probably also planning a line of Shadow Chronicle toys (cheaper, mass-production stuff) that they will be releasing in the meantime and that might even include smaller plastic alpha/betas... only time will tell.
captain america Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Actually, the MPC (POS?) is quite different from its Imai counterpart: completely resculpted head, nose, LEXs and main body, as well as some other tweaks in the arms and legs. I have to give them credit where credit is due, it's an improvement over the source material. Nonetheless, I can't fathom the concept of a 1/48 resin Tread for the old Imai model; it was just never good enough to begin with, and to be blunt, I just don't know if there's enough demand for what would likely be a very complex and labor-intensive undertaking... A Tread, I mean.
jorawar_b Posted July 24, 2006 Author Posted July 24, 2006 Well capt, if I start a forum on interest, you please please consider making it, I have bought alot of your kits, and they are awesome, so what do you say? I would love to see a 1/48 imai tread.
cobywan Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Well capt, if I start a forum on interest, you please please consider making it, I have bought alot of your kits, and they are awesome, so what do you say? I would love to see a 1/48 imai tread. 418761[/snapback] If he would consider it it can't be publicly talked about. HG people cruise this forum all the time.
Mallet21 Posted July 24, 2006 Posted July 24, 2006 Since when have they cancelled the Beta project ?? Someone in a ComicCon thread said they were doing a resculpt.
jenius Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) Actually, the MPC (POS?) is quite different from its Imai counterpart: completely resculpted head, nose, LEXs and main body, as well as some other tweaks in the arms and legs. I have to give them credit where credit is due, it's an improvement over the source material. I do agree that the MPC is an improvement over the Imai kit. Do you think the slight changes made though would make a Tread meant to match up with the model not be able to match up with an MPC? I should think if it could fit one it'd fit the other. Since when have they cancelled the Beta project ?? Someone in a ComicCon thread said they were doing a resculpt. All we have is speculation based on some hearsay... you don't need to panic... YET. Edited July 25, 2006 by jenius
wwwmwww Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 I wouldn't have bought the Alpha if I knew they weren't going to follow through with the Beta. 418362[/snapback] Exactly, what a bunch of apefaces 418411[/snapback] Well I guess I'm glad I held off then. I was rather certain that if the Beta did get released it would have to be released with a new Alpha as from what I've read there is no attachment point for the beta on the current Alphas. Makes me wonder what's to become of this prototype? Carl
wwwmwww Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 Hey Capt,I guess its up to you now, mybe you will get the 1/32 Alpha done and then a beta, I guess the future is in your hands again. Still the Booster LV is awesome and I am looking forward to your other future kits, but I wish you could fit into the line up a 1/32 alpha/beta. 418380[/snapback] I'll second that statement. If the captian were to make a Tread/Beta it would need a captian made Legioss/Alpha to mate with. I say forget the 1/48 imai tread and do it the right way. Carl
Fly4victory Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 I would buy a garage Tread/Beta for the two MPC's I have...
jorawar_b Posted July 25, 2006 Author Posted July 25, 2006 If there is a chance of getting a: 1. 1/32 alpha/beta made would you buy it? 2. A add on the imai 1/48 kit, this way you can custom make it blue, green, red or shadow. I have no idea of price point, detail, this is just a poll on interest and suggestion from the MW family on what they would like detail, features and etc....anything you can add. This is just to show that if a garadge kit can be made that there will be more interest, maybe we can expand to the mospeada and southerncross, macross zero, macross 7 line up. Thanks to everyone who responds back Bob
Mechleader Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 What about a 1/48th beta to go with the alpha...or a 1/48 alpa beta combo?
wwwmwww Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 If there is a chance of getting a:1. 1/32 alpha/beta made would you buy it? 419479[/snapback] H*@L YES!!!! I might even get 3 or 4 sets so I could do the blue, green, red and shadow versions. As for features and details... this is perfect: Perfect Legioss And I trust the captian could do an equally stellar job with the Tread. Carl
EXO Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 ah crap... sorry. tried to merge the topics but it got rid of the poll. Plus I'm moving it to Other Anime and Science Fiction.
jenius Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 An answer about the connecting to the MPC, the MPC Beta attached to the currently avaialble MPC Alpha (supposedly) via a removeable piece. There was an arm that could be attached to the Beta by some means that then followed along the belly of the Alpha and attached near the chest. It's been a while since I saw the pics and I've always questioned how stable it would be... I wouldn't be surprised if this was a big part of the hangup on the Beta's final design... it seems impossible they'd be able to get a firm attachment. The arm jets also attach to the Beta's chest but how solid could that be???
jorawar_b Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 well I asked the capt, he said no nicely, so hopefully someone will make it one day.
eugimon Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 An answer about the connecting to the MPC, the MPC Beta attached to the currently avaialble MPC Alpha (supposedly) via a removeable piece. There was an arm that could be attached to the Beta by some means that then followed along the belly of the Alpha and attached near the chest. It's been a while since I saw the pics and I've always questioned how stable it would be... I wouldn't be surprised if this was a big part of the hangup on the Beta's final design... it seems impossible they'd be able to get a firm attachment. The arm jets also attach to the Beta's chest but how solid could that be??? 419574[/snapback] gotta agree with you, with the toynami alpha debacle with the poorly planned and poor QC brittle plastic everywhere, I don't see how the alpha beta link up would be anywhere near stable.
Mog Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I'll patiently wait for any updates. But if we don't hear or see anything by the time of the SDCC, then it's safe to assume this puppy ain't being made. 396178[/snapback] I guess it's practically official now: the Toynami version of this sucker may never get made. IF Toynami's 1/100 line becomes successful (Make enemy mecha), IF Toynami's other stuff like their Cinemaquettes become successful, IF Shadow Chronicles does well, ....MAYBE, just maybe, we'll see this thing resurrected.....But I'm not exactly hopeful. BTW, if HG and Toynami do troll this board, here's my little message to them: I've bought your MPCs and waited long enough for the Beta. But your treatment of your fanbase is lacking. Perhaps if you were a little more open in your actions and far quicker with updates (like say a certain Japanese toy-maker who revealed the CAD for one of their upcoming projects), I and others like me would be more patient and forgiving. In the interim, let me just say that I've fallen head over heels in love with Yamato's products and have spent the money I'd would have paid for a Beta (or two) on Yamato's Valkyries and products. Unfortunately, this is the net result of your two companies not being timely and not actively addressing your customers valid concerns and opinions. You can consider the lost revenues from me and other dissatisfied fans the opportunity costs of your "special' brand of doing business. I honestly do hope Toynami does well and eventually makes a transformable Beta. But like >EXO< said in another post, "I'd go broke just buying their stories. " And I'm tired of sitting around and waiting.
Vermillion21 Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 I'll patiently wait for any updates. But if we don't hear or see anything by the time of the SDCC, then it's safe to assume this puppy ain't being made. 396178[/snapback] I guess it's practically official now: the Toynami version of this sucker may never get made. IF Toynami's 1/100 line becomes successful (Make enemy mecha), IF Toynami's other stuff like their Cinemaquettes become successful, IF Shadow Chronicles does well, ....MAYBE, just maybe, we'll see this thing resurrected.....But I'm not exactly hopeful. BTW, if HG and Toynami do troll this board, here's my little message to them: I've bought your MPCs and waited long enough for the Beta. But your treatment of your fanbase is lacking. Perhaps if you were a little more open in your actions and far quicker with updates (like say a certain Japanese toy-maker who revealed the CAD for one of their upcoming projects), I and others like me would be more patient and forgiving. In the interim, let me just say that I've fallen head over heels in love with Yamato's products and have spent the money I'd would have paid for a Beta (or two) on Yamato's Valkyries and products. Unfortunately, this is the net result of your two companies not being timely and not actively addressing your customers valid concerns and opinions. You can consider the lost revenues from me and other dissatisfied fans the opportunity costs of your "special' brand of doing business. I honestly do hope Toynami does well and eventually makes a transformable Beta. But like >EXO< said in another post, "I'd go broke just buying their stories. " And I'm tired of sitting around and waiting. 419655[/snapback] Good comments mate. A shame about the BETA.
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