HoveringCheesecake Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Ah, the Su-27 doesn't seem so impressive now. Anyone here have any experience with Franklin Mint 1/48 scale aircraft? I'm thinking of getting a few of those to display with my 1/48 CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 PS---first shot I think of a Raptor with a bay full of bombs: http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/pho...F-9999X-100.jpg GBU-39, the SBD--small diameter bomb. Tiny little JDAM, but supposed to have the punch of much larger weapons. It's a 250lb. I think I've also see a similar pic except that they also squeezed in an AMRAAM in there. http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SDB.html The things are supposed to cost about $70K to $90K a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I will have to find the picture, but I know had/have one that shows a Su-37 carrying 14 missiles. SO I'm assuming that the Su-35 can do the same. As for SDB one of the reasons it has such a strong "punch" is it's accuracy, more lethality on target and less energy wasteed on surrounding structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 The F-35 is quite stealthy, but not so stealthy that it makes up for everything else. Thats the 35 mllion dollar question then. How far can the stealth aspect go towards making it deadly for 4th gen fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 9, 2007 Author Share Posted March 9, 2007 A380 had its worst-case-scenario (max weight, no thrust reverse) rejected takeoff test, far less "interesting" than people were expecting. Just smoke and red-hot brakes. Nothing exploded. So they did a lot better than they did with the A340-600. Test conditions: Initial weight: 1,487,000lbs/674,376kgs. V1 (abort speed): 166kts/191mph/306kph. And some more on Airbus problems in general (mainly the A380's fault): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...us_tragedy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 And some more on Airbus problems in general (mainly the A380's fault): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...us_tragedy.html The Airbus problems are major only on the surface. If anyone doubts that France and Germany aren't going to bail out that company, they're deluded. They can't afford to let Airbus go down, this Power8 thing, if that has to go in order to get some French and Germany politicians elected, well, hey, France is already a socialist country anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Thats the 35 mllion dollar question then. How far can the stealth aspect go towards making it deadly for 4th gen fighters? Pretty far. While I have no doubt that ground based radars will eventually make stealth less of an advantage, it's going to be even longer before we see fighter radars that can draw a bead on even a F-35. So while in a decade or two we might see Flankers getting pointed to intercepts on a F-35 by ground based radars, the F-35 will have already locked those Flankers up and be preparing to let loose some AMRAAMs in their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx7725 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 The Airbus problems are major only on the surface. If anyone doubts that France and Germany aren't going to bail out that company, they're deluded. They can't afford to let Airbus go down, this Power8 thing, if that has to go in order to get some French and Germany politicians elected, well, hey, France is already a socialist country anyway. I think the issue is that Germany and/ or France would bail Airbus out. A governmental bailout solves short term problems, but the long term impact to the commercial aviation industry cannot be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Pretty far. While I have no doubt that ground based radars will eventually make stealth less of an advantage, it's going to be even longer before we see fighter radars that can draw a bead on even a F-35. So while in a decade or two we might see Flankers getting pointed to intercepts on a F-35 by ground based radars, the F-35 will have already locked those Flankers up and be preparing to let loose some AMRAAMs in their faces. Thats what I would bet on too. Which was why I asked about that comment that the F-35 isn't quite good enough to face the Flankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 Wondering how the latest fighter-mounted AESA radars do against F117/F22/F35? Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 YF-23 spotted out at White Sands: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe...002218,0.005375 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 YF-23 spotted out at White Sands: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&oe...002218,0.005375 No matter how much searching online I've done about the YF-23, I can still no definite word on what's really going on with either prototype. A number of sites say that YF-23 #1 has been at the Air Force Museum in Dayton for a while now though I have not been able to find it on any of the museum's list for what aircraft they currently have. As for YF-23 #2, the Western Museum of Flight (http://www.wmof.com/display.htm) has it mentioned that they were expecting their aircraft back from Northrop Grumman by last summer though it appears that's not the case... whatever Northrop did with this aircraft, I hope someone at the company or in the Air Force didn't decide to take the aircraft out for some target practice. If you look to the south and east of where the aleged YF-23 is, you will find what appears to be an F-15 and even a MiG-21 out there! There is supposedly a MiG-29 out there, too (according to someone on the Google Maps message board). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Something tells me that the Air Force wouldn't use the YF-23 as a drone target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share Posted March 12, 2007 Posted this to ARC, and got several replies. Current thinking is that that is a full-scale RCS testing model of a -23, with YF-23 #2 currently being on display at Northrop's El Segundo facility. Still don't know about #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 There is supposedly a MiG-29 out there, too (according to someone on the Google Maps message board). Looks like three of them to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Awesome. I was trying to find them but I was having no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 Found a little recent snippet about AESA capability, specifically a Super Hornet's: "The same report contends the radar has demonstrated a "quantum leap against significant tactical air threats," a reference to classified details about range, resolution, electronic attack options and the ability to positively identify targets - by fusing information from various sensors - at long range. Gaddis won't discuss radar ranges. However, a long-time Pentagon radar specialist says the radar resolution is good enough to detect small targets, such as stealthy, subsonic cruise missiles, at ranges great enough to conduct effective attacks against them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Found a little recent snippet about AESA capability, specifically a Super Hornet's: "The same report contends the radar has demonstrated a "quantum leap against significant tactical air threats," a reference to classified details about range, resolution, electronic attack options and the ability to positively identify targets - by fusing information from various sensors - at long range. Gaddis won't discuss radar ranges. However, a long-time Pentagon radar specialist says the radar resolution is good enough to detect small targets, such as stealthy, subsonic cruise missiles, at ranges great enough to conduct effective attacks against them." Has the Shornet gone up in exercises against the Raptor? Did they still get arse-kicked by opponents they never saw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 Has the Shornet gone up in exercises against the Raptor? Did they still get arse-kicked by opponents they never saw? There was that one mock engagement where a VFA-11 Red Ripper SHornet had an F-22 in his gunsights, and it led to heated arguments on some of the plane sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 It was VFA-11? Never knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retracting Head Ter Ter Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 BTW, are the South Koreans getting AESA with their F-15Ks? Last I heard it was an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Here's the F-22 schedule for the year: March 24th- Tyndall AFB, Florida March 31st-April 1st-Point Mugu, California April 27th-29th- Langley AFB, Virginia March 5th-6th- Fort Lauderdale, Florida May 12th- Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina May 19th-20th- Andrews AFB, Maryland June 9th-10th-Sacramento, California July 23rd-29th- Oshkosh, Wisconsin August 18th-19th- Chicago, Illinois September 1st-3rd- Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 7th-9th- NAS Oceana, Virginia September 27th-30th-Columbus, Ohio October 27th-28th- Belle Chasse (New Orleans), Louisiana November 3rd-4th- Kennedy Space Center, Florida November 10th-11th- Nellis AFB, Nevada These are expected to be full demos, not mere flyovers. Won't know exactly until ACC itself puts up the schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 If you like Navy jets, there's a lot of nice new lithographs here: http://www.carrierbuilders.net/store/index.php And the paint research looks to be far more accurate and plane-specific than any others I've seen. Haven't ordered any yet, but plan to. They sell small versions for only $5 each, so you could get every squadron you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Here's the F-22 schedule for the year: March 24th- Tyndall AFB, Florida March 31st-April 1st-Point Mugu, California April 27th-29th- Langley AFB, Virginia March 5th-6th- Fort Lauderdale, Florida May 12th- Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina May 19th-20th- Andrews AFB, Maryland June 9th-10th-Sacramento, California July 23rd-29th- Oshkosh, Wisconsin August 18th-19th- Chicago, Illinois September 1st-3rd- Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 7th-9th- NAS Oceana, Virginia September 27th-30th-Columbus, Ohio October 27th-28th- Belle Chasse (New Orleans), Louisiana November 3rd-4th- Kennedy Space Center, Florida November 10th-11th- Nellis AFB, Nevada These are expected to be full demos, not mere flyovers. Won't know exactly until ACC itself puts up the schedule. Ugh. Dang! I was hoping they would stop by Fargo. What? The Blue Angels come here! They aren't even going to Minot? That sucks. Minot has had some pretty good airshows in the past (on the base, that is). B-2 flyover in 99-00, can't remember the exact date. It was neat considering I was in the 6th grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) Oops, double post. Sorry guys. Edited March 14, 2007 by meh_cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhafabio Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 langley and tyndall arent the f-22 shows year round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Flying of course, but not a demo. (The only "exclusive" move to the F-22 is named the "Raptor Roll" currently--think kulbit, but roll instead of pitch--basically a very tight barrel roll, but while moving upwards with almost no airspeed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Here's the F-22 schedule for the year: March 24th- Tyndall AFB, Florida March 31st-April 1st-Point Mugu, California April 27th-29th- Langley AFB, Virginia March 5th-6th- Fort Lauderdale, Florida May 12th- Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina May 19th-20th- Andrews AFB, Maryland June 9th-10th-Sacramento, California July 23rd-29th- Oshkosh, Wisconsin August 18th-19th- Chicago, Illinois September 1st-3rd- Toronto, Ontario, Canada September 7th-9th- NAS Oceana, Virginia September 27th-30th-Columbus, Ohio October 27th-28th- Belle Chasse (New Orleans), Louisiana November 3rd-4th- Kennedy Space Center, Florida November 10th-11th- Nellis AFB, Nevada These are expected to be full demos, not mere flyovers. Won't know exactly until ACC itself puts up the schedule. May 19th-20th- Andrews AFB, Maryland Andrews AFB, Maryland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Nied you're in California not Maryland so how is that great for you? Looks like I'll have to go to Oshkosh or Chicago if I want to see a Raptor. It wasn't until 2005 that the Super Hornet appeared at Offutt's show. I wonder how much longer before we get to see the Raptor here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvasflam Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Nied you're in California not Maryland so how is that great for you? Looks like I'll have to go to Oshkosh or Chicago if I want to see a Raptor. It wasn't until 2005 that the Super Hornet appeared at Offutt's show. I wonder how much longer before we get to see the Raptor here? Crap, why can't those things fly to Moffet field. How annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 Update/retraction: It's likely these may be "semi-demos". Full demo still not expected until the 2008 season. Probably more than a fly-over, but don't expect a cobra or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) Nied you're in California not Maryland so how is that great for you? Looks like I'll have to go to Oshkosh or Chicago if I want to see a Raptor. It wasn't until 2005 that the Super Hornet appeared at Offutt's show. I wonder how much longer before we get to see the Raptor here? My parents are in Maryland, and I already have trip planned there during the airshow. What's really fun is I shouldn't have too much trouble getting out to Sacramento two weeks later. Edited March 14, 2007 by Nied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Leader Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 My parents are in Maryland, and I already have trip planned there during the airshow. What's really fun is I shouldn't have too much trouble getting out to Sacramento two weeks later. Awesome! Get some pictures! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 It's likely these may be "semi-demos". Full demo still not expected until the 2008 season. Which means us Europeans will have to wait until, what, 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoveringCheesecake Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Which means us Europeans will have to wait until, what, 2018? Yeah, but you guys get the Russian aircraft at the bigger shows in France and England, don't you? I'd say that makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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