Dam You Macross 7 Dam You #$%#$^#$&^$%&

[KingNor]

Talking about Mac 7 and Agent One, what happened to him anyway?  I miss his sarcasm, hehe  

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he..........got banned......awhile ago....sadly.

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WTH? I missed that.

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I too miss AgentONE. He EXPOSED greatness in all of us.

[ComicKaze]

Basara simply sucks because he's recklessly endangering the lives of everyone else on the battlefield.

There he is singing happy-go-lucky as an intergalactic hippie as the PILOTS OF MACROSS 7 ARE DYING ALL AROUND HIM.

He doesn't even bloody care or try to help.

[JB0]

Basara simply sucks because he's recklessly endangering the lives of everyone else on the battlefield.

There he is singing happy-go-lucky as an intergalactic hippie as the PILOTS OF MACROSS 7 ARE DYING ALL AROUND HIM.

He doesn't even bloody care or try to help.

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They aren't dying. The VF-11 has working ejection systems.

They may be getting turned into brain-dead zombie vegetables, but they aren't dying.

[GutsAndCasca]

If I lived on Macross 7 and Basara came up to me and started singing for no reason I'd try to kill him. I think he's a schizO'. And he really doesn't care what happens to anybody around him in my opinion. He seems to just be out to prove that his lame ass songs can make him as important as Minmay. The only firebomber song I like is the one where the purple haired girl sings. One of them anyway.

[Radd]

ComiKaze suggests that Basara is not even trying to help as pilots are dying all around him, though in Basara's mind he is trying to help, in a way that he believes is more effective than killing. Basara believes that the enemy pilots are people, much like the VF-11 pilots. He believes if he can reach them on a more personal level, show them that the people of the M7 fleet are people and not some faceless "them", that he will be able to convince them to stop fighting.

Now, in M7's world this is a bit of a stretch. For all you know the invading "aliens": might be machines programmed to destroy, with no personal level to appeal to. However the real world truths are there, it is more difficult to kill someone if you realize that they're not some faceless "them", that they're much like you. And it's even more difficult to hate them. This is especially true when an alternative to fighting is within reach.

Now Basara's own unlimited idealism is tempered by the reality around him, and it takes characters like Ray and Max to help Basara along, but I think there's much to appreciate in the basic ideals that motivate Basara.

Edited July 7, 2006 by Radd

[GutsAndCasca]

To me, Basara is just Kyfune (Kyle in Robotech) in a big valk that's fitted with a big speaker system, colored red, and carrying a gun so it can still try and look cool despite the fact that it's still a blight on the face of all valkyrie-kind. I guess that's what gets me. I hated Minmay's cousin. And Basara is like having the hated cousin somehow turned lead-character of a series.

[JB0]

To me, Basara is just Kyfune (Kyle in Robotech) in a big valk that's fitted with a big speaker system, colored red, and carrying a gun so it can still try and look cool despite the fact that it's still a blight on the face of all valkyrie-kind. I guess that's what gets me. I hated Minmay's cousin. And Basara is like having the hated cousin somehow turned lead-character of a series.

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But Kaifun was an anal sphincter.

Basara's just nuts.

[Keith]

Basara simply sucks because he's recklessly endangering the lives of everyone else on the battlefield.

Exactly who's life is he endangering? If nothing else, he draws fire away from other pilots, giving them a chance to regroup.

There he is singing happy-go-lucky as an intergalactic hippie as the PILOTS OF MACROSS 7 ARE DYING ALL AROUND HIM.

Considering that the 7 fleet has a substancial military presence, one more attacker wouldn't make any difference to turn the tide in a losing battle. Basara was no harm to the already outgunned VF-11 pilots. Besides which, they weren't dying, they were having their spiritia being drained. It's too bad no one was around to help re-habilitate them, oh wait there was, Basara!

He doesn't even bloody care or try to help.

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If he didn't care, he wouldn't have been out there in the first place. His goal was to stop "everyone" from fighting, and he succeeded. The Varuta & Protodevelin had superior firepower & tech to the U.N. Spacy. Not even reaction weapons made much of a difference. Had Basara not been there, the Spacy pilots would have died fighting, and their families would have been cattle.

[Keith]

I am also slowly making my way through the serise..

To be honest, i'm not sure Basara is actually piloting his valk with the guitar. Since, so far his valkyrie seems to just barely dodge around when he's playing, when he's not, his valk tends to be more active.

Even if the valk has "guitar controls" added to it, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the guitar is controling the movement of the valkyrie. An electric guitar just "controls" the audio device on the valk.

Thats my take so far on the guitaryness of the red valk.

Basara does not play when flying period. The 19 Kai fly's just like any other 19, it just replaces the standard 2 stick control setup, with a single guitar styled stick that does all the same functions of a normal setup.

I also agree that the level of animation on the characters is pretty damn nice compaired to the valkyrie scenes... not to mention that i dont' think i've seen "new" animation of any valkyries since the first episode (the recycling is really THAT bad).

The only chronic use of recycled footage is that which is used for things that it'd be a waste to animate over again anyway. It's a common anime practice.

I am really getting the feeling that the show itself realizes how rediculous basara is. There is a scene where he starts singing at some hoodlums and they hate it so much that they try to kill him.

And to those who havn't seen any M7 yet.. even the enemy isn't disturbed by his music, Basara has some kind of idea that his songs will do something if the enemy will listen all the way through. Yet the enemy always leaves before the song is done (so far) and its not because of anything Basara's done, its just because they are done with their mission.

No one starts off at the top, as you view through the series, you'll see that just like you, the characters will grow & learn to understand what Basara is doing, as Basara himself improves and becomes more powerful in his abilities. Wouldn't make sense for everyone to accept him at first, only Max, Ray, & Chiba know what's going on from the get go.

I can't say this is exactly my style of anime, but it isn't nearly as bad as i was expecting (yet). We'll see as the show continues :-)

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[Mephistopheles]

Basara should have taken into consideration that perhaps his songs don't really have an impact on their enemy. If somebody with a gun was singing at me it wouldn't make it any harder for me to return fire. He assumes that the enemy are going to respond the same way the Zentradi did but for all he knows, the enemy may not care nor even be listening or the music may actually benefit the enemy... they may even like the music but still have no intentions of stopping their assault. Also seeing as how the enemy continued their assault quite a few times, something should have discouraged him from conintuing.

[JB0]

Basara should have taken into consideration that perhaps his songs don't really have an impact on their enemy.

He recognizes that it doesn't. And assumes the failing is his.

If somebody with a gun was singing at me it wouldn't make it any harder for me to return fire. He assumes that the enemy are going to respond the same way the Zentradi did but for all he knows, the enemy may not care nor even be listening or the music may actually benefit the enemy... they may even like the music but still have no intentions of stopping their assault. Also seeing as how the enemy continued their assault quite a few times, something should have discouraged him from conintuing.

The enemy is forced to listen. His gunpod shoots radios. So he knows they're listening.

And no, I'm not making that up.

He's allowed to continue for the same reason he owns a VF19... someone high up in the chain of command likes him(though I don't believe Basara is aware that's how he got the jet, he seems to just think Ray is awesome++).

[Zentrandude]

One thing I feel we should talk about is most of the protodevilin are very anoying or just plain dumb. the flying monkey rubs me the wrong way but the one that takes the cake is the those 2 that warp around and laughing. To me those two are way worst than basara trying to sing an song just once.

[jenius]

one that takes the cake is the those 2 that warp around and laughing

WORST.CHARACTERS.EVER

There were a few things that made me nearly spit milk out my nose the first time I watched Mac7. The guitar controls, the face on the valk, the boobs on the valk, the stereo gunpod, the giant speaker add-ons, the episode dedicated to Mylene's panties, Gamlin's "I'm better than Christ" resurrection, the initial Protodevlin flyin' through space, but then I made it to those two Protodevlin that laugh and teleport and that's when it hit me... it's not just a really bad series, it HAS to be a joke. Either a joke or it's aimed at a much younger audience 'cause I actually think it might have been fun for a very young kid. That's probably where the truth lies anyway, it seems shows aimed at children make more money and we adult Macross fans had already been spoiled by the more adult-orient DYRL, MacII, and Mac+ (although the latter was kinda simultaneous right?).

[Nomake Wan]

To be honest, i'm not sure Basara is actually piloting his valk with the guitar.  Since, so far his valkyrie seems to just barely dodge around when he's playing,  when he's not, his valk tends to be more active.

Even if the valk has "guitar controls" added to it, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the guitar is controling the movement of the valkyrie.  An electric guitar just "controls" the audio device on the valk.

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If the guitar isn't controlling it, what is? This isn't Robotech and it's not a YF-21--the pilot doesn't control fine movements with his brain. It's the guitar.

[Roy Focker]

Question was Macross 7 intend for us adult western fans or teenage Japanese ones?

Ten years ago were "we" adults? Has Macross 7 even been offical release for the West? No. I doubt we are the intend audience. Did 14 year old Japanese boys and girls like watching Macross 7? I assume they did.

Don't blame Basara for singing. If you want someone blame Max. Yes it is Max's flaut. Who allowed Basara to use the Valkyrie for the sole purpose of going out and singing. All signs point to Max. Ray just wasn't a good enough in the terms of being a controlling mentor. Basara might go around flapping his lip but Max and company are letting him.

[GutsAndCasca]

He controls the valk using the guitar. I had a hard time coming to terms with this, but at least I have. And it's hard, so hard. *takes a minute to lay down*

[JB0]

To be honest, i'm not sure Basara is actually piloting his valk with the guitar.  Since, so far his valkyrie seems to just barely dodge around when he's playing,  when he's not, his valk tends to be more active.

Even if the valk has "guitar controls" added to it, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the guitar is controling the movement of the valkyrie.  An electric guitar just "controls" the audio device on the valk.

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If the guitar isn't controlling it, what is? This isn't Robotech and it's not a YF-21--the pilot doesn't control fine movements with his brain. It's the guitar.

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I don't think it's really an issue of if he's using the guitar as his controls(he clearly is, they even take time out to demonstrate that the guitar has function keys for things such as the EVIL DISGUSTING MISSILES OF DEATH AND DISCOMFORT!111), so much as if he can actually fly while performing.

If the sound track is accurate(which it pretty obviously isn't at points), the music continues even while the pilot isn't playing, so Sound Force's VFs have pre-recorded versions of the instrumental portions. Only reason I can think of is that it isn't possible to fly and play guitar at the same time even with a guitar stick.

Unrelated: Speaking of guitar controllers... If someone does a Macross 7 version of Guitar Hero or GuitarFreaks, I will laugh my gluteus maximus off.

Edited July 9, 2006 by JB0

[Mephistopheles]

To be honest, i'm not sure Basara is actually piloting his valk with the guitar.  Since, so far his valkyrie seems to just barely dodge around when he's playing,  when he's not, his valk tends to be more active.

Even if the valk has "guitar controls" added to it, that doesn't nessesarily mean that the guitar is controling the movement of the valkyrie.  An electric guitar just "controls" the audio device on the valk.

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If the guitar isn't controlling it, what is? This isn't Robotech and it's not a YF-21--the pilot doesn't control fine movements with his brain. It's the guitar.

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I don't think it's really an issue of if he's using the guitar as his controls(he clearly is, they even take time out to demonstrate that the guitar has function keys for things such as the EVIL DISGUSTING MISSILES OF DEATH AND DISCOMFORT!111), so much as if he can actually fly while performing.

If the sound track is accurate(which it pretty obviously isn't at points), the music continues even while the pilot isn't playing, so Sound Force's VFs have pre-recorded versions of the instrumental portions. Only reason I can think of is that it isn't possible to fly and play guitar at the same time even with a guitar stick.

Unrelated: Speaking of guitar controllers... If someone does a Macross 7 version of Guitar Hero or GuitarFreaks, I will laugh my gluteus maximus off.

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Wait, why even bother actually playing while in combat when you could just pop a CD in or something like that.

[GutsAndCasca]

I don't see why Basara goes on living after demonstrating time and again his complete lack of interest in hot anime women who want him. His personal motivations are mysterious and secret, and probably best kept that way until I find out he eventually married and had offspring.

[JB0]

Wait, why even bother actually playing while in combat when you could just pop a CD in or something like that.

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Because recordings don't capture the actual spirit of the performance, and thus do not channel the anima spiritia, or do so less effectively than a live show.

[KingNor]

Wait, why even bother actually playing while in combat when you could just pop a CD in or something like that.

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Because recordings don't capture the actual spirit of the performance, and thus do not channel the anima spiritia, or do so less effectively than a live show.

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the sound has to be broken down and transmitted digitally to the speakerpods anyway.

how is that any diffrent than recording a "live" show and transmitting it.

i could understand if hearing him in person somehow made it a stronger effect but since its over speakers one way or another i don't understand the significance.

[Radd]

the sound has to be broken down and transmitted digitally to the speakerpods anyway.

how is that any diffrent than recording a "live" show and transmitting it.

i could understand  if hearing him in person somehow made it a stronger effect but since its over speakers one  way or another i don't understand the significance.

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But there is a living person, in the vicinity, giving off spiritua. It's like, do you get more energized by music when you sit and listen to it alone, or when you hear a band play at a concert, even if mostly what you're hearing comes from what's been broken down and transmitted to the speakers?

The more people involved, the greater the effect.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

First off I have been a loyal fan of macross ever since I saw dyrl back when I was a little kid I got bored of it after a couple of years, then macross plus came and I was blown away, I heard about macross 7 but never got the chance to see it and was told by many friends that it was not even worth looking at so I never did, then I saw macross zero a while back and I was once again blown off my seat it was just art. I mean mac+ and mac0 were my all time fav animes I was touched by the great storylines and action scenes, and the realism that fited the flavor, BUT

I fineshed watching mac7 right now and I am @%@#%#$^en pissd, I mean were do I start I mean THEIR IS THIS JAY ROCKER WHO FLYS INTO COMBAT AND STARTS SINGING refuses not to shoot, KILLS THE IMAGE OF MY ALL TIME FAV VFs (the vf-19, vf-22), and HE DOESNT GET KILLED. The story is exactly like DYRL, the protodevlin dont get killed regardless if they use nukes against them I mean nukes hteir hoter than the core of the sun and that doesnt even kill them then music kills them I mean wheres the F@#%$@#N logic in that, ther animation sucks and I mean sucks more balls than a porn video, and whats the deal mirias pilot suit they never had that in the DYRL, same thing goes for the other pilots they got theis crapy suits that have no relation to mac+ I will make a small exception for gamlins suits, and couldnt they come up with better enemyswhat the hell is a monster doing flying threw space. It just dosent make any sense to me people, and this basara dude what the heck is up with his rebel with cause personality, the sound force mecha didnt even look right it was as if a 6yr old girl came up with it, and speaking of sound force, HOW THE HELL

DOES SOUND TRAVEL THREW SPACE IT HAS NO LOGIC. The ending sucked I mean if they are going to follow the DYRL footsteps mylene should have fallin in love with gamlin instead of basara who treats her like poo, gamlin and docker should have been the heros and should have killed the enemy like hikuru did, and BATTLE SEVEN TURNS INTO A HUGE ROBOT WITH A GUN OR RIFLE AS A CANON, you dont need a huge transforming robot for a good macross story, and not only that but why the HELL DID THEY KILL THE IMAGE OF THE VF-19, vf-11 AND VF-22.

OK NOW FOR THE GOOD STUFF, the only characters I like were Lt. docker( he kicks ass most of all), the bridge bunnys they were fine, and gamlin just a lillte. BUT EMERALD FORCE KICKD ASS I am even puting a model kit together right now, they were like the skull sq. THE VF-17 WERE OK but they arnt supposed to be dog fighting aircraft they are more like bobing and recon aircraft, not only that but they had no destroids. hu man am I dissapointed shoji, I COULD WRITE A BETTER STORY JUST GIVE ME THE CHANCE.

They better come up witha better new macross ova studio nue. I guess thats why they came up with mac0.

let me hear your feedback and comments, I know some and most of you people are just as mad as I am.

Haven't had the chance to read through the whole thread yet but I can agree that 7 = black sheep of the macross shows and isn't for fans who liked the originals. (being DYRL and SDF)

Although I agree with those who like to see change, change for the sake of change is not always good.

I think had 7 been presented in a more gritty and scary manner rather than comedy, it would have been much cooler. Ie The creatures were genuinely something to FEAR not laugh at. I mean Exedol is hiding in his little hole in the ground of the ship scared $hitless of these creatures and what we get isn't like the aliens in Tekkamon Blade, but sailormoonish type creatures. Heehee exedol is hiding from cartoony furry creatures while some kid flies around and defeats it just by singing his pop songs while riding in a garish colored mecha with a mouth in it.

I still think the idea could have worked: have super beings with psychic abilities, energy barriers, dragonball type attacks, god like abilities (think of the kid in akira) , levitation, life energy that they feed off and stuff but it needed to be done with a more serious tone.

BTW did anyone think the Matrix ripped off the idea of the spiritua farm project when they saw that farm of humans being used as an energy source? The concept is similar:

-The agents are like devils using the humans as cattle and feeding off them by using them as batteries to stay alive.

-The Protodevlin are forced to use humans as an energy source to feed from due to thier enormous power requirements. A bioweapon that can't stop eating because its own powerful body can't be sustained by the limits of the world they are trapped in. Not enough food to support such a big resource-hungry animal.

Shoji: Give us a darker and grittier story next time. I want destroids trudging through alien planets and proper weapons and actual danger! Where the skill of the pilot or his training actually means something. (one on one mecha fights, ship to ship battles, chases, mystery, high death counts, epic struggles to survive etc)

But don't go down the path of macross II where it was just the same thing with different wraping paper and characters.

Edited July 9, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[KingNor]

the sound has to be broken down and transmitted digitally to the speakerpods anyway.

how is that any diffrent than recording a "live" show and transmitting it.

i could understand  if hearing him in person somehow made it a stronger effect but since its over speakers one  way or another i don't understand the significance.

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But there is a living person, in the vicinity, giving off spiritua. It's like, do you get more energized by music when you sit and listen to it alone, or when you hear a band play at a concert, even if mostly what you're hearing comes from what's been broken down and transmitted to the speakers?

The more people involved, the greater the effect.

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good point good point...

however!!! if say, i watch a TV show of a live concert. or a replay of a live concert, (and i don't know which is which) there is no diffrence for me.

Though if i watch a live concert on TV and then GO to a live concert, there is a huge diffrence.

The beings in M7 are seperated by tons of metal and the vaccuum of space, I can't imagine a more "seperated" environment. They're only communication is via speakers. so i dont' think anyone could tell the diffrence.

[Nomake Wan]

BTW did anyone think the Matrix ripped off the idea of the spiritua farm project when they saw that farm of humans being used as an energy source? The concept is similar:

-The agents are like devils using the humans as cattle and feeding off them by using them as batteries to stay alive.

-The Protodevlin are forced to use humans as an energy source to feed from due to thier enormous power requirements. A bioweapon that can't stop eating because its own powerful body can't be sustained by the limits of the world they are trapped in. Not enough food to support such a big resource-hungry animal.

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YES! Man, at that one point where everybody stumbles upon the people in farm pods getting harvested... I was like, "Sheesh! Where have I seen this before!?" And then the realization that Macross 7 came first hit.

Coincidence? Or the Wachowski brothers are closet Macross 7 fans?

[Zentrandude]

I don't see why Basara goes on living after demonstrating time and again his complete lack of interest in hot anime women who want him. His personal motivations are mysterious and secret, and probably best kept that way until I find out he eventually married and had offspring.

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there is a reason hes with ray for all this time. Pink pecker squad

[Torii]

Well... As much as I liked the original series and whatnot, I still found Macross 7 and its sequels to be nice. But then again, I'm a rather easy-to-please person. Personally, I think what most of the people who completely bash it lack the sort of mentality that one grows after watching various types of mecha. I mean, seriously, giant robots moving like such were pretty impractical in the first place, and I dont think that expecting too much is exactly the best thing to approach anime with. I mean, the first time I encountered Macross 7, I previewed the first episode and was like, "OMG, WTF IS THIS?", and ended up deleting it. But after figuring that "Mecha are impractical in general. Just watch it for the series it is, not for the series you WANT it to be." A lot of anime is impractical, and I would have to attribute the development of that mentality from watching GaoGaiGar, which I was really "WTF?!?"ed by, but due to encouragement from friends and eventually growing on it, I came to like it very, very much. I watched Macross 7 again recently, and instead of the initial "OMG, WTF IS THIS?" reaction I had a couple of years before, I found that I somewhat enjoyed the series. And really, I personally prefered the plot a lot more than Gundam SEED Destiny, which I personally think was a great anime starting off, but due to issues with the scriptwriter, ended up as a train wreck.

And please, this is anime. God kills a catgirl for all discussions that apply physics to anime. Please. Think of the catgirls.

Edited July 9, 2006 by Torii

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

good point good point...

however!!! if say, i watch a TV show of a live concert. or a replay of a live concert, (and i don't know which is which) there is no diffrence for me.

Though if i watch a live concert on TV and then GO to a live concert, there is a huge diffrence.

The beings in M7 are seperated by tons of metal and the vaccuum of space, I can't imagine a more "seperated" environment. They're only communication is via speakers. so i dont' think anyone could tell the diffrence.

The speaker pods have rounds that penetrate the armor of the mecha (with the bullets being speakers that open up after penetration) and that is how those beings are able to hear it. (sort of like a "daedalus attack" with a speaker)

Think of the music as only being the medium to transmit the energy wirlessly. (instead of a wire flowing with the energy, the person's own songs are the wire which create the change in people that heals them, but no physical conection necessary)

..And the person singing live as being a generator that generates energy, but it comes from nothing. Maybe it comes from thier soul or thier heart and this passion causes them to generate the energy out of love for the music or the subject of the song they are singing. This drive to keep it up allows them to perform regardless of if people accept the music.

...And the energy beings as demons/ghosts which are starving in the desert with nothing to drink or eat because this isn't thier world but they are trapped here. And since they are so powerful they need lots of food to stay alive. Like the dead aliens in Final Fantasy: Spirits Within. Sucking the souls or life energy from the beings.

Now the only way to solve the energy problem is to feed the demons, and give them the means to generate that energy on thier own, since they are trapped here and thier bodies need an energy source.

The energy/food isn't something physical, but spiritual. (so I think spiritua = this spiritual energy) These energy beings are from a different universe from ours, but the bodies they inhabit are physical. (like vampires they are not hungry for meat, but life energy or "souls", and this is represented through the blood flowing through our veins in those vampire movies when they try to drink it. Without blood you can't live. But instead of just blood, it is sucking the soul to keep the spirit fed as well)

It may explain in macross zero why sara could make plants grow fast or levitate as thier is some force beyond the physical working behind it all to sustain life in the universe. (beyond the things we observe physically)

So yeah I think everything makes sense, but my problem is they should make stuff scarier, more dark, or at least should have gone for a more serious tone. I can accept the magic in the macross shows, but still prefer the originals because of the element of danger etc I mentioned before. Basara is like a pilot of a super robot show that never falters, always does the same attack at the end of every episode, and always leads to a predictable repetitive ending which ends up being boring.

In previous posts I mentioned there needs to be conflict and a struggle of some sort like what we saw in the original series. Both physical conflict and conflict in ideals within the same character to be interesting. (ie when max is forced to sympathise with the enemy and yet kills aliens too. They do this in all the gundam shows)

Edited July 10, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Mephistopheles]

There is a difference between accepting impractical technology used in an anime and accepting a down right stupid story line.

For example, let's say they cast Saving Private Ryan with laser rifles instead of M1 Garands. Stupid but it still has a good story to it. Now what if they made it "Saving Private Ryan's Canteen" where they wade through German forces to find a canteen that fell off Ryan's webbing during his air drop. Yeah, that would be pretty lame. What if you had a mixture of both? You'd have Macross 7.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Mephistopheles

[deadghost]

Just some food for thought:

SDF: Macross - 1 TV series (36 eps.), 1 Movie, 1 OVA

Macross Plus: 1 OVA series (4 eps.), 1 movie

Macross Zero: 1 OVA series (5 eps.)

Macross 7: 1 TV series (49 eps.) + 3 bonus eps., 1 OVA series (4 eps.), 1 movie.

Makes me wonder how popular Macross 7 was (is?) in Japan - given that it has the most animation produced for any Macross series.

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You kinda gota understand its not the quantity but the quality that counts, if shoji got all the money and funding he put threw mac7 and place it threw a differnt project you would get something like mac+ or Mac0. for example the 3d fx they used for M+ was some realy complicated stuff they came up with back in 94, also you have to remember the animation quality and the replayed action scenes they used was to save some labor and money.

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Then why do you keep downloading it? (He is my bro)

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hum let me think......I dont know maybe because its free, We got nothing better to do, and were curious.

[Noyhauser]

There is a difference between accepting impractical technology used in an anime and accepting a down right stupid story line.

For example, let's say they cast Saving Private Ryan with laser rifles instead of M1 Garands. Stupid but it still has a good story to it. Now what if they made it "Saving Private Ryan's Canteen" where they wade through German forces to find a canteen that fell off Ryan's webbing during his air drop. Yeah, that would be pretty lame. What if you had a mixture of both? You'd have Macross 7.

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Your example is not equivalent to the situation you initially describe.

And its certainly not as impractical as you make out... its no less impractical than warp drives (given our current knowledge of astrophysics), and CERTAINLY no less believable than "newtype energy" that is introduced in UC Gundam.

IT never was said that what was emitted by Sound boosters was "sound" travelling through space, rather it was some sort of energy that could resonate sound. The Protodevilin series was always about the protoculture tapping into some sort of newly discovered energy source eminating from another dimention, that they had limited knowledge of. The protodevilin were essentially bio machines that used this advanced power source.

Also from what we have seen in Macross zero, 7 DYRL, the protoculture's esthetics were highly stylized with an organic, primitive and biomechanical feel to them. The AFOS showed the mechanical aspects of this, and the protodevilin follow this design philosophy.

(Note for LVlurker. I don't care what you have to say, so don't bother giving me some long winded reply on some arcane level of gundam knowledge. You're wasting your time)

[JB0]

Wait, why even bother actually playing while in combat when you could just pop a CD in or something like that.

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Because recordings don't capture the actual spirit of the performance, and thus do not channel the anima spiritia, or do so less effectively than a live show.

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the sound has to be broken down and transmitted digitally to the speakerpods anyway.

how is that any diffrent than recording a "live" show and transmitting it.

i could understand if hearing him in person somehow made it a stronger effect but since its over speakers one way or another i don't understand the significance.

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It delves out of the purely physical at this point.

A live performance is still a live show, regardless of if it's in person or broadcast.

A tape recording of a live show lacks the same "liveness."

Sure it's physically identical, but spiritia isn't exactly physical, is it? In Macross 7, the actual spirit of the artist matters. And the Macross 7 crew can't record spirit(though the Protodeviln are probably halfway there.

Tangent:

In reality, recordings of live shows are typically either really crappy bootlegs or the same tweaked and polished releases you get on a normal album. Hardly the same as an actual live performance.

Heck, some people don't even actually sing at their live shows, and just lip-sync.

Or they sing, but still have a team backstage with pitchbenders and whatnot polishing everything.

In Macross 7, this would be the Jamming Birds performance. Sure it's live, but it's a soul-less manufactured live.

Not that Basara would be caught dead doing any of the above. Crappy bootleg is closest to his style, but the music would lose a lot in the process.

There is a difference between accepting impractical technology used in an anime and accepting a down right stupid story line.

For example, let's say they cast Saving Private Ryan with laser rifles instead of M1 Garands. Stupid but it still has a good story to it. Now what if they made it "Saving Private Ryan's Canteen" where they wade through German forces to find a canteen that fell off Ryan's webbing during his air drop. Yeah, that would be pretty lame. What if you had a mixture of both? You'd have Macross 7.

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Saving Private Ryan's Canteen would be a blatant spoof. And quite likely hilarious if Hollywood didn't screw it up too badly.

And I think bad story + laser rifles would = Gundam Wing.

Macross 7 used bullets.

Edited July 10, 2006 by JB0

[GutsAndCasca]

I don't see why Basara goes on living after demonstrating time and again his complete lack of interest in hot anime women who want him. His personal motivations are mysterious and secret, and probably best kept that way until I find out he eventually married and had offspring.

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there is a reason hes with ray for all this time. Pink pecker squad

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I haven't finished the series so I'm not sure... do Basara and Ray eventually hook up?

[Keith]

Macross 7 maintains the core of what Macross has always been about. Music is the medium by which people are reaching out to one another & sharing their feelings. It's those feelings that are making the difference, not the music itself. A pre-taped performance being broadcast would be just as useless as attempts at "culture shock" were in the long run. It's not the "shock" part which is winning over the enemy, but the geniune feelings being shared with them.

[Zinjo]

But there is a living person, in the vicinity, giving off spiritua. It's like, do you get more energized by music when you sit and listen to it alone, or when you hear a band play at a concert, even if mostly what you're hearing comes from what's been broken down and transmitted to the speakers?

The more people involved, the greater the effect.

The way I understand it, (and I'm not a fan of the kiddie pablum of Mac 7) is that it is the "passion" behind the singing that creates the "spiritia" energy that Sound Force uses to defend against the PD.

Singing and music also create spiritia, but not in enough measure (on an individual basis) to be used as any sort of weapon. In the "lore" only certain individuals have the ability to produce the kind of sonic energy levels that can be useful to combat the PD. Basara and Mylene have that ability.

It is also revealed that the PD have the natural ability to create self sustaining spiritia for themselves, but it has to be learned.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Zinjo