GutsAndCasca Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Look at the bright side. At least Graham didn't post something like "Gerwalk looks like crap." and then, "B-mode sux worse." I can rejoice in this, I suppose.
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Question: Is it skinny or does it look bulky like the bandai? The CAD drawing makes it look skinny in battroid.
GutsAndCasca Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 I wonder how many color variations we'll see eventually. I'm not a Mac-7 promoter, but that'd be wicked-cool to see Basara's 19 turned 1/60.
David Hingtgen Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Take a lot of work to turn the YF-19 into a VF-19Kai. Like new wingroots, legs, feet, ankles, head, canopy, shield, v.stabs, shoulders. And remove the ventral fins. Frankly, there's not much the same between them, besides the nose and arms. If you really compare, you'll see that almost every section is different between the YF-19/VF-19A, and the later VF-19F/S, and with Basara's being a mix of the two---it's generally like a VF-19S, but has the original YF-19 wings and canards for example. It'd be rather pointless to remold, as remolding would only get you one or two colors, as any remold couldn't be used for the other variants either. The v.stab change might even require transformation changes. (at the very least, a completely changed mount and hinge) The YF-19 is best known by far, with the VF-19A close behind, so it's likely the only version we'll see. Just make Max and Milia color YF-19's. They'd sell. (I'd buy 'em)
Graham Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Personally, I like to see the 1/60 YF-19 made in this color scheme and also this color scheme from the June 2002 issue of Model Graphix Magazine. Of course, I'd also like a VF-X2 Ravens version and a low-vis grey version. And David is correct, a VF-19Kai/S/F/P would require about 95% new tooling from the YF-19/VF-19A, making it effectively a new toy and a very expensive proposition for Yamato. Graham
jenius Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 It'd be rather pointless to remold, as remolding would only get you one or two colors, as any remold couldn't be used for the other variants either. The v.stab change might even require transformation changes. (at the very least, a completely changed mount and hinge) The YF-19 is best known by far, with the VF-19A close behind, so it's likely the only version we'll see. So let me get this straight, you're arguing that the other variations would be unlikely because there'd be a fair amount of remolding involved.... but the YF-19, as a one-off product, makes sense?? That is some seriously confusing logic. Yes, the YF-19 is the best known but the VF-19K isn't all that far behind (tragically). I think once you get the engineering done the modifications to molds isn't as huge a deal as some would lead you to believe. As an accountant I actually poured through some numbers on this once (albeit, the analysis was open to numerous flaws) and the costs per unit of remolding several pieces was never prohibitive (so long as demand didn't fluctuate too violently).
Phren Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 I've always loved that picture - at least the blue one anyway (the orange does nothing at all for me) If not a varient, I can at least look greatly forward to any 19 customs in the future like all the wonderful 1/48 customs I've seen pass through here.
Dobber Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 I also like the blue color. Question, not sure if it has or can be answered, what is the projected/more than likely release date for this baby. Later is better for me because I recently had to use all the money I had saved for several different products on Car repair!!!! Chris
kensei Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) And David is correct, a VF-19Kai/S/F/P would require about 95% new tooling from the YF-19/VF-19A, making it effectively a new toy and a very expensive proposition for Yamato.Graham 420894[/snapback] But once they made a new mold for the F/S/P, the main body could serve for all of them. They got the Transformation sussed out anyway. I'm gonna find out what your ebay username is, so when you sell off you YF-21s and VF-11s I know what's coming up. Edited July 30, 2006 by kensei
Phren Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) I had thought the big Y didn't have the Mac7 licence, and not sure if those three were available in the games. Besides, I personally think Basara's 19 is almost as much an assult to valks as the clown valks they had in 7 - I mean, it is arguably as ugly as you can MAKE a 19 by painting and changing a head. Edited July 30, 2006 by Phren
Arthurius Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Oh hell yeah! Max 19! Low Vis 19! 420893[/snapback] While we are at it, the following link you had is the god damn most amazing valkirie of them all, more than the vf-1a low vis 1 or vf-0a. I hope they do this one, i would be more exited about it, than the yf-11 or yf-19 http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/magazi...-may-page-6.jpg
Dante74 Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 I'd love to see the 19 in any colors. What I'd love to see even more is the 19 THIS year. Around december would be the best time financially.
eyesonme78 Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 i agree so too bro dec be a good time to release.... but then however, think be good that it can be released earlier as i want the Valk now!!!! hahahahaha
David Hingtgen Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) Ah yes, the F-15-prototype-colors YF-19's. Those were neat. But even better was the mold they were on! If you don't know, that white/blue YF-19 is transformable! Best fighter-mode transforming YF-19 mold ever, by far, and what I pretty much begged for Yamato to copy... (note the long wings) One single, small, removable part allows a transforming YF-19 to look like THAT in fighter mode. Sure it's not "perfect" anymore (but again, only if you want the gear down--gear up requires no part swap) but it looks so good. Also it uses what looks like a variation of the SHE's leg transformation (how the calf opens up) Edited July 30, 2006 by David Hingtgen
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) Well I do hope yamato get to do up the VF 22S from mac 7. You know the black one that gamlin had? I like the head of the VF22 a lot better. (then release max + milia color simultaneously) And this would also give them an excuse to do the armor for the vf11. (with massive gunpod and all) Will be interesting how yamato's skinny wrists will be able to support that! Solution: give us a pair of posable or non-posable robot hands with the PT hands. Edited July 31, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker
Phren Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Well I do hope yamato get to do up the VF 22S from mac 7. You know the black one that gamlin had? I like the head of the VF22 a lot better. (then release max + milia color simultaneously) 421021[/snapback] I think you mean the 17S and 17D - they did use the 22 later on, but Gamlin only used a 17 (at first a 17D, then a 17S) and Millia used a red 17S before the break out the 22's Edited July 31, 2006 by Phren
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Actually he does use vf22 but not in the tv series. I think it was in the ova or movie or something. In the tv series he has the vf17 (which I would also like to see) It's basically an all black vf22. Edited July 31, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker
Phren Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Are you sure? I believe I've seen the OVA and the Movie as well, I don;t remember Gamlin having a 22, I'll look again I guess. EDIT> additionally, if Yamato does bust out the YF-22 in 1/60th flavor, isn;t there, like, very little modification needed to make it a VF-22s? Edited July 31, 2006 by Phren
David Hingtgen Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Comment for Graham (maybe to pass to Yamato): While the YF-19 is my fave valk by far, I've never really cared for its FAST packs. They're almost an afterthought---tiny little shoulder bits, and 1" thick leg armor. No boosters=not really worth it. (YF-21 isn't much better). BUT----a fold booster would be awesome. I've wanted a fold booster for the YF-19 since I first saw the *Toycom* concept drawings. It wouldn't take much to add, and with the YF-19 distinctly lacking in accessories anyways compared to a VF-1 or VF-0 (minimal armor, no boosters, no external missiles) a fold booster could add much-needed "extra stuff" to include. Also, I've thought for years it'd be easy to add an LED/battery/switch to it to light up green. (That is not MPC-ish, we know they glow bright green when activated, unlike trying to ret-con a glowing eye). Think about it, a light-up fold booster. I'd rather have that than any other accessory for a YF-19. PS to jenius---it's not a few parts, it's almost every part. As was listed--head, shoulders, lower legs, ankles, feet, knees, shield, canopy, nose, wingroots, v.stabs, forward fuselage/upper intakes/LEX, and maybe even the thighs. And that's just for Basara's with only one possible color scheme. To get the F/S also requires ANOTHER forward fuselage variation and new wings. Also, while the YF-19 may be a one-off, the identical VF-19A is not, so you get 2 of the 3 most popular versions of the plane. Heck, I think the VF-0D requires a lot fewer parts remolded to get it made from the VF-0A. It may be entirely different wings, but it's just the wings, v.stabs, and canards---Kawamori didn't change every square inch of the plane, most of it is the same. The VF-19S/Kai are practically "alternate universe" versions of the YF-19--looks similar, but actually a different shape all over when you compare. If they're going to spend money remolding an existing valk, the VF-0D is a far better choice--fewer parts to change, but a VERY different looking valk. The VF-19S/Kai would cost a lot of money for subtle changes. PS to Phren--in addition to a new head, the VF-22 needs new "belly plates" in fighter mode. But that's easy, the outline/shape is the same, it's just the details molded on the exterior that's different. If they really needed to, they could use the YF-21 belly plates and just glue on the VF-22 bits I think. The VF-22 belly has guns built-in, kinda like if the YF-21 FAST packs were permanently attached. Edited July 31, 2006 by David Hingtgen
GutsAndCasca Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 Dang. I thought Basara's valk was just a YF19 painted red with a face.
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Are you sure? I believe I've seen the OVA and the Movie as well, I don;t remember Gamlin having a 22, I'll look again I guess. Phren: Dynamite 7 episode 4. (screencap of Gamlin in black VF22S helping the police fight the whale poachers; who in turn are trying to kill the white whale which imo look a little like zentradi ships ) more here: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/macross/macross7/vf-22s.htm ^ although there is a mistake there where it says it only has a single gunpod. So er yamato already have 3 recolors they could milk if they just alter the head to 22S. 1.Red for milia 2.Blue for Max 3.Black for Gamlin info on the vf22s from: http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati...vf22/index.html PROGRAMME: VF-22 developed from General Galaxy YF-21 design after UN Forces' decision not to adopt the earlier design as the main variable fighter in the Super Nova (AVF) competition. Brainwave control system not implemented in VF-22 design due to test results on the YF-21 in the Super Nova competition. Decision made to adopt VF-22S as special operations fighter successor to General Galaxy VF-17 2042 December. Two fighters used in final stages of Protodeviln War 2046 February. VARIANTS: VF-22: Advance production version with no additional series letter designation VF-22S: Production version adopted by United Nations as special operations fighter. First manufactured by Macross 7 fleet factory ship Three Star under experimental license for two fighters. It's a special ops valk. EDIT> additionally, if Yamato does bust out the YF-22 in 1/60th flavor, isn;t there, like, very little modification needed to make it a VF-22s? Yeah pretty much the head and the other stuff mentioned above. And maybe the cockpit because it doesn't have the BCS in it. (maybe they will get lazy and forget to change that though. Kinda like the TV CF with DYRL head turret for 1/48 vf1) In any case I want some strong wrists: include some non-posable hands too yamato! Edited July 31, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker
Vermillion21 Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 I'd love to see the 19 in any colors. What I'd love to see even more is the 19 THIS year.Around december would be the best time financially. 420996[/snapback] No, no ... I hope they release this sometime NEXT year. That would be the best time financially ... for me, anyways.
isamu_dyson Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 I'd love to see the 19 in any colors. What I'd love to see even more is the 19 THIS year.Around december would be the best time financially. 420996[/snapback] No, no ... I hope they release this sometime NEXT year. That would be the best time financially ... for me, anyways. 421104[/snapback] +1 with all the stuff that comes out late september/ early october, I need le rest of the year to refill my wallet
ruskiiVFaussie Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 stuff the VF-1 variant colour schemes i want the 19 now!!!!!!! and 22 for chrissy, pretty please.
Macross73 Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 stuff the VF-1 variant colour schemes i want the 19 now!!!!!!!and 22 for chrissy, pretty please. 421161[/snapback] they could have just done the YF19 this fall (aug/sept) and the Kakizaki (Nov/Dec) and so on. Oh well .... I cant wait to see this come true.
ruskiiVFaussie Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) stuff the VF-1 variant colour schemes i want the 19 now!!!!!!!and 22 for chrissy, pretty please. 421161[/snapback] they could have just done the YF19 this fall (aug/sept) and the Kakizaki (Nov/Dec) and so on. Oh well .... I cant wait to see this come true. 421164[/snapback] yeah mate, preferrably. How long is the YF-22 gonna take. Edited July 31, 2006 by ruskiiVFaussie
Macross73 Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) At this rate not long. We'll probably be surprised by how fast it arrives. for many it may be too fast. edit: either way bring it on. I've got cash set aside and I've got Overtime coming up. Edited July 31, 2006 by Macross73
ruskiiVFaussie Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Far as i'm concerned i could snap up the 19 and 22 at the drop of the hat. I can't believe i haven't got the 0S yet... i am being very brave. *SNIFF!* Bring the Ghost out first Yamato. Edited July 31, 2006 by ruskiiVFaussie
Dante74 Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 I'd get both a 19 and a 21/22 as soon as it would be released upon the world. I'd have to start a noodle diet, but I'd get 'm nonetheless.
kensei Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Man that is soooo bad for your health. Anyone else here found that being addicted to Macross makes it seem like good old college days again? Edited July 31, 2006 by kensei
eriku Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 Man that is soooo bad for your health. Anyone else here found that being addicted to Macross makes it seem like good old college days again? 421180[/snapback] I deferred my car loan payment for one month to afford the VF-0...
eugimon Posted July 31, 2006 Posted July 31, 2006 Man that is soooo bad for your health. Anyone else here found that being addicted to Macross makes it seem like good old college days again? 421180[/snapback] I deferred my car loan payment for one month to afford the VF-0... 421203[/snapback] DUDE! uhmmm... that's not smart. You only get so many of those...
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