VFTF1 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Some new thoughts on Sighs, as well as commentary on my new SOS-dan t-shirt... First I'l start with my new T-shirt. I got the white cospa t-shirt with the SOS-dan insignia on it. XL. Fits perfectly. Good quality shirt, and the emblem is well done. Happy with it. I've worn it a couple of times and so far I have not gotten any strange looks, nor has anyone inquired what it means. Then again, I guess there's so many faux design t-shirts and clothes out there nowadays with seemingly random numbers, insignias etc etc on them that people might just assume this is another one of those... Of course, what I'm REALLY holding out for is that some gorgeous blond will notice me in my SOS-dan t-shirt, run up to me and say "oh my god! You're also a fan of Haruhi Suzumiya!" and then we'll strike it up and get married the next day. Moving on... I've rewatched Sighs and a couple of thoughts have bubbled up in my weary old brain ... First - in the last episode when Koizumi says that perhaps Haruhi doesn't want the film to end, and that she wants it to just go on forever...I suddenly realized that that's kind of like how the entire anime is. It doesn't want to end. It tries to go on forever. This is, I realize, a banal explanation... but it dawned upon me while also considering which faction's interpretation of the essence of Haruhi Suzumiya is correct. I still lean more towards Koiyzumi's interpretation. Asahin-san's actually DOESN'T make sense, and I think Kyon knows that - he was just being nice to Asahina agreeing that it sounds sensible. In fact it doesn't. How could the world have "always been like that" - like what? And what does "Haruhi can certainly change the present" mean...? The present doesn't really exist. Asahin explained as much when she compared time to an animation flip-book. The present is constantly in motion...but even the flip book analogy is wrong since you can always single out pages from the flip book - while time is so fluid as to make it impossible to single out a particular point - unless of course you happen to be Haruhi Suzumiya and it's summer vacation. I dunno...I just don't really understand Asahina's explanation. Other than being at odds with Koizumi on the fundamental issue of who Haruhi is....it seems to be illogical... As for Yuki - I appreciate her honesty...but it might just be a function of her following the guidelines of her programing: to observe. You can also see this whenever the group is conferring in the sushi bar (sans Haruhi). Yuki never contributes any suggestions, never comments, never has anything to say. She is there to observe. If confronted, she will help... But... on this point...I wonder why nobody makes more use of Yuki? Clearly her knowledge is vast and I personally think she could rival Suzumiya-san... actually..Yuki is like an inverted Haruhi Suzumiya. She is conscious of everything but can do nothing to alter the course of events. Haruhi on the other hand has total power over events, but is unconscious of it... interesting... Anyways...just some thoughts for now... Nothing concrete. I do hope this is continued. best non-robot show I've seen in my whole life. I really love it. Pete Quote
Keith Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I took from Asahina's explanation that the world was always like that to mean the world always existed as it was without Haruhi, Koizumi limits existence somewhat to the current iteration of the world coming about 3 years prior at Haruhi's whim, meaning it could be interpreted that all human/univerasl history is also a creation of Haruhi. Asahina takes a more general stance of the world existing without her, but she's definately a force that can divert the currents of it. I'd wager Yuki's interpretation is more in line with Asahina's than Koizumi's. Quote
VFTF1 Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Hm. Let me see if I understand correctly: The world has always existed as is. Then, along comes Haruhi who seems to have acquired the ability to alter reality. But this presents the following problems: 1) Since Asahina herself admits that Haruhi can "change the present" and the present is merely a "follow up" built upon past events, then in "changing the present" Haruhi must therefore also alter the past - concievably all the way back to the "beginning." Now - if Asahina claims that there was no beginning, and I presume she does since she is of the view that the world "has always existed" then, given Haruhi's limitless power to alter the present, could not Haruhi also alter the infinitity of the universe and give it a beginning...say...three years ago? 2) Asahina travels from the future...but we know nothing about that future. Is it a future where Haruhi has been "defeated" and where time flows smoothly? Is it a future where girls wear black mini-skirts, white shirts and high heels out of the 90s? Or could it be that actually - since Haruhi is "in charge" of the world, and wishes there to be time travelers in it... Oh... I KNOW who Asahina's superior is It's the FUTURE HARUHI! Who's to say it isn't? Kyon supposes that it's the adult Asahina...but maybe she is just a higher up - but not the highest up? Another possibility - is that Asahina actually isn't a time traveler, strictly speaking - that is to say, her future version is just a manifestation of Haruhi's will that there BE a future version and a future with Asahina in it. We know Haruhi is capable of doing this - after all, Endless Eight saw the elimination of the Future for about 500 thousand Years...if I remember the counting that Yuki did right?... It gets confusing... But it's so fun! Pete Quote
Keith Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I think of it more along the lines of Asahina agreeing with "our" known science of how the universe exists, and how everything has evolved. As opposed to Koizumi taking a more religious view of "then there was Haruhi, and she created the world, there was nothing before her, she is all." I also doubt Haruhi is Mikuru's superior, that would imply that Haruhi's faction is indeed the "correct" one, as well as their agenda overriding that of Kyon's free will in the matter. Not to mention that would by default make Koizumi part of the same faction, since his faction worships Haruhi directly, there'd be no reason for them to go against her own (future) wishes. I say Mikuru's superior is either Tsuruya san, or olderr Mikuru. Quote
VFTF1 Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 The role of Tsuruya is indeed an interesting matter to consider. Practically invisible in season 1, she becomes more noticable in season 2, particularly in the "last" episode, where she is cleary standing in the background as Mikuru delivers her "news" to Kyon, watching, as though to make sure that her co-conspirator does as she is supposed too. Also, her exceedingly huge mysterious manshion, the fact that Mikuru seems to live with her...and of course her super-powers which we see in Haruhi-chan... Just who is she? I know the novels probably flesh the matter out more, but I'm not keen on reading them...prefer to hold out for more of the anime... It's not that I think they'll be bad...it's just I'm kind of lazy about getting them...although perhaps I should... Anyways... for all intents and purposes, Kyon seems to come through for Koyzumi in the end, dispite their mistrust and subtle male rivalry, I get the feeling that in his gutts Kyon takes "bros before hos" approach... His one independent venture is to tell Haruhi "the Truth"... and that just gets him date-less.... Pete Quote
Phobos Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I've heard alot about this series and finally decided to take the plunge and watch it, but while doing some research I found that there are a few different ways to watch this, the re-aired version, the chronological order and the broadcast order? :blink: Help please!! Quote
VFTF1 Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Just start from season 1 - in order of what aired. Don't watch it in "chronological" order - that's no fun. Go by what aired first, then next, then again. It's a great great show! Pete Quote
Vifam7 Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I've heard alot about this series and finally decided to take the plunge and watch it, but while doing some research I found that there are a few different ways to watch this, the re-aired version, the chronological order and the broadcast order? :blink: Help please!! It's really nothing to be concerned about. In the 1st season of the show, the episodes were broadcast in non-linear order. Here's what happened - 1. Mikuru Asahina's Adventure Episode 00 Chronologically, this is the 11th episode. 2. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya I Chronologically, this is the 1st episode 3. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya II Chronologically, this is the 2nd episode 4. The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya Chronologically, this is the 7th episode 5. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III Chronologically, this is the 3rd episode 6. Remote Island Syndrome (Part 1) Chronologically, this is the 9th episode 7. Mysterique Sign Chronologically, this is the 8th episode 8. Remote Island Syndrome (Part 2) Chronologically, this is the 10th episode 9. Someday In The Rain Chronologically, this is the 14th episode 10. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV Chronologically, this is the 4th episode 11. The Day Of Sagittarius Chronologically, this is the 13th episode 12. Live Alive Chronologically, this is the 12th episode 13. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya V Chronologically, this is the 5th episode 14. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya VI Chronologically, this is the 6th episode When the 1st season DVDs came out, all but one of the episodes was placed in chronological order. The one episode that wasn't was "Mikuru Asahina's Adventure Episode 00". When the broadcast of the 2nd season began, it included episodes from the 1st season and broadcast in chronological order. Like this - (in bold are the episodes newly created for the 2nd season) #01 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya I #02 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya II #03 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III #04 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV #05 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya V #06 The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya VI #07 The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya #08 Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody #09 Mysterique Sign #10 Lone Island Syndrome I #11 Lone Island Syndrome II #12 Endless Eight #13 Endless Eight #14 Endless Eight #15 Endless Eight #16 Endless Eight #17 Endless Eight #18 Endless Eight #19 Endless Eight #20 The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya I #21 The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya II #22 The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya III #23 The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya IV #24 The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya V #25 Mikuru Asahina's Adventure - Episode 00 #26 Live A Live #27 The Day of Sagittarius #28 Someday in the Rain Quote
wolfx Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 The Disappearance arc will be a movie. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-...ounced-for-2010 Quote
Chronocidal Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 You know.. I'm actually glad I think. Much as I'd like more episodes, seeing this get the big screen treatment should be epic. Disappearance has enough material for probably 4 episodes, but I'd much rather watch the whole thing at once. I mean, I read the book long ago, so there's no real cliffhangers for me. I'd rather see it all in one continuous story than broken up over several weeks. Haruhi is one anime I really do prefer to watch in one sitting, just to get the whole picture, or at least watch it an arc at a time. Also, storyline-wise, I think this works out better. Disappearance is a serious turning point in the series, and opens the door to what has always felt like a second act to me.. the point where the anti-SOS faction makes themselves known . I remember trying to come up with a good episode breakdown to fit everything in, and one of the longer arcs always wound up getting left out. With Disappearance a standalone, it should open up a third season to really dig into things. Provided that is, that they don't alter the story to remove references to the later books, and use it to completely finish off the series. That would make me sad. Quote
VFTF1 Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Haruhi movie?? This is a winner - especially since it's not a "retelling" or anything like that and will likely be all original footage. This is truly my favorite non-super robot anime ever! And the music rivals Macross easy! Only there's so little of it Pete Quote
Keith Posted October 9, 2009 Posted October 9, 2009 Hmm, Haruhi movie, plus BV releasing the R2's with English Subtitles (which I'm not importing btw, at least not until there are blurays), equals an awesome chance for a R2 subtitles Haruhi movie bluray release! Quote
Bri Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Received the second DVD yesterday. First scene of Endless eight, the baseball match on television: "This is a painfull scene to watch" "Such an unfortunate turn of events" "The crowd has fallen silent" "Not even a single boo for the pitcher" "The home team takes a crushing defeat with 8-0". Self mockery at it's finest Quote
VFTF1 Posted October 29, 2009 Posted October 29, 2009 Oh my god!! You're right!! hahahahah that's awesome! I love Haruhi! Pete Quote
Shaorin Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 (edited) i'm not really a Suzumiya fan, but i've always loved little Mikuru♥ ever since i saw her for the first time. i also felt sorry for her since finding out how Haruhi picks on her on a regular basis. as such, i have been wanting the Figma of her for a while now. i finally get the chance to get myself one, and i stumble upon something even better; WOW, now THIS is the Mikuru Asahina i've always wanted!! she was expensive ($125) but well worth it to me. i have made some alterations to her inner and outer clothing; you can find out about them in my thread: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=31491 Edited October 30, 2009 by Shaorin Quote
VFTF1 Posted October 30, 2009 Posted October 30, 2009 i've always loved little Mikuru♥ ever since i saw her for the first time. i also felt sorry for her since finding out how Haruhi picks on her on a regular basis. It's all an act. Mikuru Asahina just acts that way so guys fall in love with her, and then she gets them to do what she wants. In reality, she's a blood thirsty, evil monster from the future who hangs esper boys just for kicks, and plots to take over the universe. Be careful of that doll. If you thought Chucky was bad... just wait until you discover the terror of Asahina Mikuru! On a more serious note... I just don't like the sculpt. The body is anorexic - Mikuru Asahina is not that skinny. She's a full girl - not bare bones. I much prefer the figma and Revoltech figures. Pete Quote
Keith Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 It's all an act. Mikuru Asahina just acts that way so guys fall in love with her, and then she gets them to do what she wants. In reality, she's a blood thirsty, evil monster from the future who hangs esper boys just for kicks, and plots to take over the universe. Be careful of that doll. If you thought Chucky was bad... just wait until you discover the terror of Asahina Mikuru! On a more serious note... I just don't like the sculpt. The body is anorexic - Mikuru Asahina is not that skinny. She's a full girl - not bare bones. I much prefer the figma and Revoltech figures. Pete Agreed, Mikuru is build like a brick house, that doll is build like a shanty house! Quote
Shaorin Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Agreed, Mikuru is build like a brick house, that doll is build like a shanty house! actually, there is a reason for that. Mikuru here is based upon an OBITSU doll body. these bodies are designed to come apart into sections, so one can easily change bust sizes, hip sizes, ETC. well, that's exactly what i did with my Mikuru. i found the melons she was cursed with to be grotesquely unbalanced in appearance, so i bought an OBITSU body with a more sensible bust size, and relieved poor Mikuru of some excess weight. not only does it make her look even cuter to me, but her Bra fits far better now, too♥ Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 1, 2009 Posted November 1, 2009 Hm. So...you complain about Haruhi picking on Mikuru... But I have yet to hear of Haruhi DEFLATING Mikuru's breast I mean, making her dress as a frog or forcing her to get undressed - heck even spiking her milk with vodka and forcing her to do soft core porn... None of those are as bad as reducing her breast size and her hips Mikuru's figure was attractive the way it was now I feel sorry for Mikuru... I need to go and hug my Revoltech and Figma Mikuru and promise them that I'll never swap their thighs and breast for smaller ones... Pete Quote
Shaorin Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Hm. So...you complain about Haruhi picking on Mikuru... But I have yet to hear of Haruhi DEFLATING Mikuru's breast I mean, making her dress as a frog or forcing her to get undressed - heck even spiking her milk with vodka and forcing her to do soft core porn... None of those are as bad as reducing her breast size and her hips Mikuru's figure was attractive the way it was now I feel sorry for Mikuru... I need to go and hug my Revoltech and Figma Mikuru and promise them that I'll never swap their thighs and breast for smaller ones... Pete i never did anything to her thighs, only her bust. it was far too large, creating a severe imbalance to her overall figure. besides, i think Mikuru♥ would thank me. those melons HAD to be causing her some rather severe back aches, to say the least... Edited November 6, 2009 by Shaorin Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 Let me preface my response by saying that I think this is exactly the how life should look like: a serious debate about whether or not Mikuru should have big breasts, or small breasts... The thing is... if it's just a matter of prefering smaller breasts - you've got Yuki and Haruhi herself to play with. I don't understand how you can love Mikuru on the one hand, but want her breasts smaller on the other? I mean - a guy who said about a girl " I love you - but you need bigger boobs" would be called insensitive. Now you're saying about Mikuru "I love you - but you need smaller boobs." I mean - I guess I can sort of see that you love the character, the personality and think the girl has boobs that are too big... ok ... but... to me - Mikuru's personality is tied up in her boobs and her generally chunky (chunky like say...Nanase) figure. I don't like to think of people as being abstract minds whose bodies have nothing to do with who they are. Naturally, one must moderate, and of course the intellect is superior in many ways - but why not - when we are able - also enjoy the body and acknowledge the impact it has on who we are. Mikuru's boobs are part of her personality. Make them smaller, and you belittle Mikuru-chan. Mikuru must have boobs that are big, and her butt must be firm and big and her waste tight and her legs short but firm and proportional, Just like her hair must be long. It's just who she is - as Haruhi says - every story needs a beautiful lolita - and few stories get a beautiful lolita with a body like Mikuru's. I will defend her big boobs to the end Pete Quote
Shaorin Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Let me preface my response by saying that I think this is exactly the how life should look like: a serious debate about whether or not Mikuru should have big breasts, or small breasts... The thing is... if it's just a matter of prefering smaller breasts - you've got Yuki and Haruhi herself to play with. I don't understand how you can love Mikuru on the one hand, but want her breasts smaller on the other? I mean - a guy who said about a girl " I love you - but you need bigger boobs" would be called insensitive. Now you're saying about Mikuru "I love you - but you need smaller boobs." I mean - I guess I can sort of see that you love the character, the personality and think the girl has boobs that are too big... ok ... but... to me - Mikuru's personality is tied up in her boobs and her generally chunky (chunky like say...Nanase) figure. I don't like to think of people as being abstract minds whose bodies have nothing to do with who they are. Naturally, one must moderate, and of course the intellect is superior in many ways - but why not - when we are able - also enjoy the body and acknowledge the impact it has on who we are. Mikuru's boobs are part of her personality. Make them smaller, and you belittle Mikuru-chan. Mikuru must have boobs that are big, and her butt must be firm and big and her waste tight and her legs short but firm and proportional, Just like her hair must be long. It's just who she is - as Haruhi says - every story needs a beautiful lolita - and few stories get a beautiful lolita with a body like Mikuru's. I will defend her big boobs to the end Pete okay, okay. i like her cute little chubby figure as well. like i said, i did nothing to her body outside of swapping bust sizes. the fact that her doll is not so chubby and lolita-ish in the overall figure is MEGA HOUSE and OBITSU's fault, not mine. perhaps i'll reconsider her melons, after all, the skin color doesn't exactly match, as if she was sunburned right on her bust area. still, those soccer balls are just so, so MASSIVE... Edited November 6, 2009 by Shaorin Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 Well, it's your doll - so it's not like I'm telling you what to do with her.... you can make her look how you like. It's just to me a) she doesn't look like Mikuru without the proper proportions - and this is not an opinion, but just a statement of fact when comparing the animation model to the doll and b) (this is the statement of opinions) - I like the animation model. I mean... it's really been a dilemna for me, which girl in the show to love more. And surprisingly - I have decided that I love Yuki the most. I would marry her in a heartbeat. Reasons: a) Sexy (like all three of them) in her own way. Sure, she doesn't have Mikuru's breasts, legs or butt, nor does she have Haruhi's slender body...but she is feminine. She's delicate and tender and strangely enough...while I generally DON'T like short hair on a girl - Yuki gets a pass because her hair has a lot of body in it - it's thick, it's stylish - there's stuff going on there. And yeah - she does look better without the glasses...but I don't mind them either. b) I love women with power - and Yuki is power incarnate. c) I like women who are quiet, don't talk to much, but are very intelligent and well read. Having said that - it was not an easy choice between the three - and certainly Mikuru's boobs and butt and legs were a big attraction. Oh - and of course that one line she had: "Kyon - if I become spoiled for marriage, will you still take me?" My god!! It's hard to resist a girl who talks like that! But in the end, Yuki won my heart, Haruhi won my head...so I guess that leaves Mikuru with...er..another part of my body that she would win Pete Quote
Shaorin Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Well, it's your doll - so it's not like I'm telling you what to do with her.... you can make her look how you like. It's just to me a) she doesn't look like Mikuru without the proper proportions - and this is not an opinion, but just a statement of fact when comparing the animation model to the doll and b) (this is the statement of opinions) - I like the animation model. I mean... it's really been a dilemna for me, which girl in the show to love more. And surprisingly - I have decided that I love Yuki the most. I would marry her in a heartbeat. Reasons: a) Sexy (like all three of them) in her own way. Sure, she doesn't have Mikuru's breasts, legs or butt, nor does she have Haruhi's slender body...but she is feminine. She's delicate and tender and strangely enough...while I generally DON'T like short hair on a girl - Yuki gets a pass because her hair has a lot of body in it - it's thick, it's stylish - there's stuff going on there. And yeah - she does look better without the glasses...but I don't mind them either. b) I love women with power - and Yuki is power incarnate. c) I like women who are quiet, don't talk to much, but are very intelligent and well read. Having said that - it was not an easy choice between the three - and certainly Mikuru's boobs and butt and legs were a big attraction. Oh - and of course that one line she had: "Kyon - if I become spoiled for marriage, will you still take me?" My god!! It's hard to resist a girl who talks like that! But in the end, Yuki won my heart, Haruhi won my head...so I guess that leaves Mikuru with...er..another part of my body that she would win Pete ah, okay. so i guess that leaves Miku-Chan♥ open to be hopefully wooed by my serenations. that's all good then. i'll shake hands and close this with a pic of Miku♥ just freshly taken: Edited November 6, 2009 by Shaorin Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 Wow! So many awesome manga and books! My manga collection is so sad...it's just one little booklet, in French of the first episode of NGE...nothing more But since we're posting Mikuru pictures....I'll take some of my own as soon as I'm finished cleaning my room I recently sold off all my Transformers and have been slowly moving my Macross and SOC figures from my play room to my bedroom, where Transformers used to dominate the shelves... Pete Quote
Shaorin Posted November 6, 2009 Posted November 6, 2009 Wow! So many awesome manga and books! My manga collection is so sad...it's just one little booklet, in French of the first episode of NGE...nothing more But since we're posting Mikuru pictures....I'll take some of my own as soon as I'm finished cleaning my room I recently sold off all my Transformers and have been slowly moving my Macross and SOC figures from my play room to my bedroom, where Transformers used to dominate the shelves... Pete yeah, selling off TRANSFORMERS, especially vintage examples, is a great way to generate revenue to by Valkyries!! Quote
VF1A-FAN Posted November 7, 2009 Posted November 7, 2009 Some Old Pics . . . . . Hey, Guys! I'm Taniguchi and this is my buddy, Kyon! Today, We're gonna hook him up with that SPECIAL SOMEONE! YEAH! Go For It, Big Bro! And here she is! YAY! Quote
VF1A-FAN Posted November 7, 2009 Posted November 7, 2009 Hee Hee Hee No . . . Wait! Oh, C'mon, Mikuru! This is your chance! Uhhhhh . . . mmm . . . uhhhhh . . . (If Looks Could Kill) This is NOT good . . . . . Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 7, 2009 Posted November 7, 2009 (edited) VF1A-FAN: I officially add you to my list of favorite MW members and I designate you High Priest of Haruhism on this board!! Not only is your photography outstanding, not only do you have an innate ability to pose small figures of sexy girls, and oblivious guys, not only do you wisely add a small gashapom of Kyon's sister - but your story structure is outstanding. You've just made my Saturday worth living! Pete Edited November 7, 2009 by VFTF1 Quote
Shaorin Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 (edited) INDEED, that was really cool. well done, VF1A-FAN... Edited November 8, 2009 by Shaorin Quote
Duke Togo Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 I actually have yet to watch an episode since Endless Eight ended (which seems kinda... odd to me). I really need to catch up in December. Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 11, 2009 Posted November 11, 2009 That's great actually, because there's nothing better to get for Christmas than the chance to watch the Sighs of Haruhi Suzumiya! Enjoy! Pete Quote
VFTF1 Posted November 11, 2009 Posted November 11, 2009 Sorry for the double post, but I just got this done! Enjoy fellow Haruhists! Hm....on reflection, I should have given Mikuru her guns... it's just she doesn't need them, since looks CAN kill Pete Quote
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