What Changes, If Any, Whether It Be Big Or Small

[Phalanx]

I started this topic because I was curious to know whether or not the idea of making big or little changes to your favorite VF's have ever crossed your mind. As for me, I really wouldn't make significant changes to my favorite valk, the VF-2SS except maybe thickening it's armor a liitle and lengthening out some more. (It's a little to short IMHO). So is there anybody that might have wanted to make small changes to your VF's as well?

[Knight26]

Ah another pointless Phalanx, let's redesign all the VFs because we think we are smarter, thread.

[Phalanx]

Oh wait, now that I think about it some, you're right Knight26, it does sound rather pointless. I just assumed that somebody may show a little interest in the topic. I already know for sure this is gonna be topic locker or a no-replier, so I guess that I've just wasted my time and forum space with this one.

[Sumdumgai]

I'd give the VF-11MAXL custom jiggling synthetic boobies to shock and horrify everyone that looks at it.

I'd put a crotch-armor-laser-turret on the VF-1 GBP armor or the VF-11 full armor, in a phallic shape of course.

Frequency override thing in any valkyrie that forces imagefeeds into targeted craft to show gay porn to give zentraedi fleets heart attacks before wiping out their forces while they all are puking their guts out in horror.

I'd hang fuzzy-dice somewhere in every valk cockpit.

Not a valk thing, but I'd install seatbelts for the bridgecrew of carriers and other fleet vessels.

Oh yeah, inflatable afro for the VA-3 invader.

[myk]

I wouldn't make any changes to any of the variable fighters, especially my favorite, the '21/22.

On a side note, only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie. Any other transformable aircraft in the Macross world is a variable fighter...

[briscojr84]

I wouldn't make any changes to any of the variable fighters, especially my favorite, the '21/22. 

On a side note, only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie.  Any other transformable aircraft in the Macross world is a variable fighter...

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Actually Valkyrie is sometimes used as an all encompassing word just like band aid and q-tip.

[Zinjo]

I wouldn't make any changes to any of the variable fighters, especially my favorite, the '21/22. 

On a side note, only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie.  Any other transformable aircraft in the Macross world is a variable fighter...

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Actually Valkyrie is sometimes used as an all encompassing word just like band aid and q-tip.

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Good call, I've noticed that as well. It's even like that in Japanese merchandising.

VF-19 Kai is often displayed as being the VF-19 Valkyrie Kai version or the VF-19 Exalibur is done the same way.

[Lightning]

umm.....Even BIGGER cannons for the VF-4....maybe give it the -11 Full Armor's Gunpod also. I love big guns...

Edited April 27, 2006 by Lightning 06

[myk]

Actually Valkyrie is sometimes used as an all encompassing word just like band aid and q-tip.

Just because Valkyrie IS sometimes used as an all encompassing word doesn't make it correct. Furthermore, since when have the words band-aid and q-tip been used to encompass anything else? A band aid is just a band aid. A q-tip is just a q-tip. A VF-1 Valkyrie is just a VF-1 Valkyrie; everything else is a variable fighter...

Edited April 27, 2006 by myk

[JsARCLIGHT]

I think the greatest enemy of the word "Valkyrie" is that it is one of the only Macross units, outside of the Destroids, that a lot of people have heard called by it's propper name in the actual show. I have never once heard someone call something a Thunderbolt or a Nightmare or an Excalibur etc. etc... I've only heard Valkyrie this and Valkyrie that. I fully understand that it's like calling every Disney character a "Mickey Mouse" even though you are talking about Goofy but in the end it's all semantics to me. Last week my wife called toilet paper "kleenex" and I still knew what she meant.

Now use the word "Veritech" and we have an argument.

[eugimon]

feh, don't characters in the various macross shows call the other VF's valkyries anyways?

[Greyryder]

I have two faovrites. I wouldn't change a thing, on the Vf-1. All I would change on the VF-2SS, would be to make it canon, so we could get a good toy, of it.

[briscojr84]

Actually Valkyrie is sometimes used as an all encompassing word just like band aid and q-tip.

Just because Valkyrie IS sometimes used as an all encompassing word doesn't make it correct. Furthermore, since when have the words band-aid and q-tip been used to encompass anything else? A band aid is just a band aid. A q-tip is just a q-tip. A VF-1 Valkyrie is just a VF-1 Valkyrie; everything else is a variable fighter...

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Actually Q-tip and Band Aid are both brand names, most other companies call them cotton swabs, same thing with scotch tape.

But how often do you hear people say cotton swab instead of Q-tip or adhesive strips instead of scotch tape?

[Roy Focker]

What is too change?

Was not the VF-19 the replacement for the VF-11 which was the replacement for the VF-4 which was the replacement for the VF-1?

There is always room for improvement. Kawamori and company do that by designing new variable fighters.

[Seto Kaiba]

I'd hang fuzzy-dice somewhere in every valk cockpit.

...

Oh yeah, inflatable afro for the VA-3 invader.

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I second the fuzzy dice and inflatable afro.

Phalanx, not every little thing needs it's own thread. Stop and consider if your thread will benefit the community before you post it, not after. It'll save you a lot of people griping at you.

Edited April 28, 2006 by Seto Kaiba

[Phalanx]

Yeah, I really should do what you recommneded Seto and I guess that really would prevent other users for lashing out at me for pointless #$$^ like this thread. Like I said, I was just curious if wasn't that much trouble to you. Also, no disrespect Seto, but this thread wasn't a matter of it being about small things like you said. I thought about it some more and I have to prove you wrong by telling you that it's not like I made any threads about small things in regards to changes to VF's like changing the cockpit, changing the wing designs, or other etc of your favorite VF. After all, it made more sense to me to just start a thread where people can just put all of their desired changes into rather than making small therads for small things just as the same way where White Drew Carey started a master paint scheme thread for all VF's rather than just starting individual paint scheme threads for every single VF.

Edited April 30, 2006 by Phalanx

[kensei]

I'd want the VF-19S to have the original wings, as well as the F version.

I'd also like the VF-0 to ahve differnet vertical stabilisers. The current ones just look crap on the VF-0S and A, sans the VF-0D.

[Kelsain]

I have never once heard someone call something a Thunderbolt or a Nightmare or an Excalibur etc. etc... I've only heard Valkyrie this and Valkyrie that.

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The only instance I recall was in the dub of M+, where Millard says that Project Supernova is to desgin the "next series main tranformable fighter, to replace the *VF Thunderbolt*, currenlty in service." Or something very much like that...

Having just met the VF-11 a few minutes earlier, then hearing that it had it's own name - and of course, this being the first Macross experience I'd had since Robotech reruns in high school - I just fell in love with it. The 11 is still my favorite VF. And yeah, it kinda bugs me when I hear it called a Valkyrie.

Then again, I know I've participated in this discussion before...

Back on track, I'd like to see an S-type variant of the 11, or the VF-19F w/o the stubby wings.

[edit - oop, kinsei beat me to it!]

19F is in my top 5 fav's, it's like the direct production model of the YF-19.

Edited April 28, 2006 by Kelsain

[kensei]

I have never once heard someone call something a Thunderbolt or a Nightmare or an Excalibur etc. etc... I've only heard Valkyrie this and Valkyrie that.

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Back on track, I'd like to see an S-type variant of the 11, or the VF-19F w/o the stubby wings.

[edit - oop, kinsei beat me to it!]

19F is in my top 5 fav's, it's like the direct production model of the YF-19.

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Maybe they could make the VF-19 wings modular. I don't know, maybe the wings do serve some function in space. BUt I think that they should make it so that the wings are quickly interchangable, so thatthe polit has his preference.

[Sumdumgai]

-I'd have "WIDE LOAD" painted on the butt of the Koenig Monster in gerwalk mode.

-I'd make the VF-22 be black-smoke-chrome plated like the exclusive mini-lightsabers.

-Upsize all the variable fighters for use by full-size zentraedi.

-Nose-cone art of naked babes. Hair of all the colors of the rainbow, and then some.

-Have a panic button in the A, B, and C models for the cannon fodder pilots, to press when they panic to "calm them down" (by blowing them up before the enemy does). Anyone competent enough to be in a S model doesnt need a panic button (except Hikaru).

-Have trainer craft have autobot and decepticon symbols all over the place for team combat training. With appropriate red or purple markings against white and black.

-Ghost drone attachments for everything.

-Giant crab claws to replace the foldable claws on the old monsters.

-A law to keep variable fighters out of the hands of professional musicians that will gayify a perfectly good aircraft.

-grass covering on planet-based variable fighters (like those cars where people turn them into giant chia-pets).

-battroid mode should have the added ability of being able to shoot fists on rockets, or pop the hands out on a rod like patlabors.

I'll think up other stupid stuff later.

[JB0]

Actually Valkyrie is sometimes used as an all encompassing word just like band aid and q-tip.

Just because Valkyrie IS sometimes used as an all encompassing word doesn't make it correct. Furthermore, since when have the words band-aid and q-tip been used to encompass anything else? A band aid is just a band aid. A q-tip is just a q-tip. A VF-1 Valkyrie is just a VF-1 Valkyrie; everything else is a variable fighter...

394653[/snapback]

Actually Q-tip and Band Aid are both brand names, most other companies call them cotton swabs, same thing with scotch tape.

But how often do you hear people say cotton swab instead of Q-tip or adhesive strips instead of scotch tape?

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Precisely. Like Band-Aid, Q-Tip, Kleenex, Coke, Xerox, and a host of other brand names, Valkyrie has been genericized.

So while only the VF-1 is a Valkyrie, valkyrie refers to any variable fighter.

[Sumdumgai]

It's all about what "everyone" says and how "everyone" perceives things.

Back when Street Fighter 2 originally came out, everyone pronounced Ryu's name "Rye-You". It didn't matter that people who actually spoke Japanese would correct them and tell people how it's pronounced, people would say they were stupid and go on calling Ryu "Rye-You".

In counterstrike that high powered sniper rifle that you either love or hate that makes the loud noise and causes people to fall over dead, it's an Arctic Warfare Magnum (AWM). An Arctic Warfare Police (AWP) is a slightly smaller caliber rifle version, but it's not in the game. Everyone incorrectly calls it an AWP. Hell I do it just because I'm used to it, even though I know it's wrong (also because no one cares enough to call it what it really is when I correct them).

It's quicker and easier to write or say "valkyrie" rather than variable fighter. And, and, and.... I'm lazy damnit!

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I would like to get rid of that lump on the canopy of thw YF-21 and VF-22. Its against the law of aerodynamics and spoils an otherwise beautiful plane.

[reddsun1]

I will admit that--somewhat inspired by the configuration of the VF-0D--I have wondered just what the VF-1 would look like with a larger wing. Even before seeing MZero, I've thought that one of the few weaknesses of the original VF design was the relatively small wings. Aeronautical experts correct me if I'm wrong; but that, in relation to the overall size/mass of the plane, is what makes for a condition of "high wing loading" is it not? I've always thought that was a lot of plane to move around through an atmosphere on such relatively skinny wings. So I wondered what a VF would look like with a different wing config, changing nothing else? *prepares to dodge pitchforks and torches*

Now, I realize full well that Kawamori-san probably pored over this very idea many times over as he was designing the VF-1 all those years ago. And I've no doubt he's more knowledgeable than I could ever hope to be--both in aeronautical and mecha design. I also realize the design parameters of the Valkyrie [or any TF mecha for that matter] is about making compromises. The wings; the cockpit canopy shape; where ordinance is stored; any and all of these things must not only be maximized to give maximum effectiveness in air-to-air/ground combat, but can only do that to a degree. They [designs] must also still allow the craft to "feasibly" reconfigure, allow completely different body sections/parts to interconnect and move, change into a different form and fulfill a whole different set of mission functions. I'd say Kawamori-san deserves mad props for doing so in a "convincing" manner, and still making them look so dang cool. The designers at McDonnel Douglas, or Boeing, or Rockwell probably couldn't even begin to ponder how to do such a thing [even on paper], and still make it come out as beautiful and "realistic" as the VF's.

But I digress. I tinkered a bit with a .gif image I found, and this is something I came up with. I call it Valkyrie 2.0 That's what a different wing configuration might look like. In retrospect, I'm glad SK didn't change the VF any more than he did. The VF-1 looks good enough as it is.

[Skullsixx]

I'd love to have the YF-19 with the Roy Focker paint job!

[JB0]

In counterstrike that high powered sniper rifle that you either love or hate that makes the loud noise and causes people to fall over dead, it's an Arctic Warfare Magnum (AWM).  An Arctic Warfare Police (AWP) is a slightly smaller caliber rifle version, but it's not in the game.  Everyone incorrectly calls it an AWP.  Hell I do it just because I'm used to it, even though I know it's wrong (also because no one cares enough to call it what it really is when I correct them).

I'm surprised they don't call it the "sniper rifle."

It's quicker and easier to write or say "valkyrie" rather than variable fighter.  And, and, and.... I'm lazy damnit!

Try VF. That's what I use.

As for what I'd change about my favorite VF...

The YF-21 would have won Project Supernova, BDS and all.

[Phalanx]

As for my other VF's listed below, here's some of the changes I'd make

VF-2JA:Give it leg mounted missle bays, wrist mounted pulse laser's and give it's own SAP pack

VF-11: The wings (they look ugly to me IMHO), it's gun pod.

VF-14 (both variants): Give it all the features that advance VF's have.

VF-19: The Fire Valkyrie's head; I swear to God it looks ugly with that humanoid face it has.

VF-21/VF-22: Add more head laser's and give it a VE cockpit

VF-XX:Change the legs, they're out of proportion with the battroid's body.

Oh, I forgot to add to my the VF-2SS: wrist mount pulse lasers, leg missle bays and the features that advanced VF's had.

[Seto Kaiba]

VF-2JA:Give it leg mounted missle bays, wrist mounted pulse laser's and give it's own SAP pack

VF-XX:Change the legs, they're out of proportion with the battroid's body.

Oh, I forgot to add to my the VF-2SS: wrist mount pulse lasers, leg missle bays and the features that advanced VF's had.

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Ugh... I saw this and I just HAD to reply... before the thought makes me ill... you'd turn the Macross II Valkyries into disgusting imitations of the ones from Macross 7, adding impractical and occasionally suicidal elements to the design. Wrist mounted pulse lasers would be kind of impractical, because they wouldn't be usable in fighter mode, as the arms are on the underside and obstructed. The models that used those had the wrists in fighter mode locations where the weapons were usable. Leg-mounted missile bays raise their own problems, namely the idiocy of putting a volitile explosive device right on top of a nuclear-powered engine. If a shot were to cook off the ordinance, you'd probably not just blow the leg off, but likely blow the fighter up and kill the pilot. That and internal bays have a much lower capacity for mid-to-long range munitions than hardpoints/FAST packs, and without the option to jettison the ordinance quickly. Those few fighters with internal missile bays at least keep them well away from the engines.

Also, just FYI, the VF-2JA does have what it termed by some to be it's own SAP pack system. Albiet it's just a series of wing-mounted missile launchers, since FAST packs make atmospheric flying a pain in a Valkyrie. Putting a big boxy FAST pack on a fighter designed for atmospheric dogfighting makes so little sense it borders on insanity.

Personally I think most of the designs are fine just as they are. It's not like any of us know aerodynamics, combat aircraft design, or avionics better than the people who designed the fighters in the first place, so they've probably got good reasons for why things are the way they are. I might make a few cosmetic alterations, but nothing that would dramatically alter the design of the fighter, like jamming extra internal missile bays, pulse lasers and other mostly useless junk into it.

I'd recess the cockpit of the VF-22 a little deeper in, so the pilot wouldn't need the cockpit bubble as much. I'd also change the profile of the VF-XX's legs a little bit, just for the sake of making them a little more uniform for walking stability. I'd strip the head laser/fin from the VF-22 as well, since it's never used and ornamental at that.

I'd definately give the bridge of the Battle 7 a mute button so Max wouldn't have to listen to Basara molesting that microphone, and a self-destruct button for each of the Sound Force fighters at Max's station on the bridge, so he can get rid of them when they start screwing things up.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

My change would be to make the orguss valk part of macross canon.

And have Blade in macross II have his own powered armor that is superior to anything made by un spacy. He would be like what the girls in BubbleGum crisis were: having far more mobile and agile suits that are years ahead of what the military uses but keep this powered armor secret. He would of course choose to fight using melee weapons but occasionally get out his shoulder mounted beam attack to do a super move which is about equal in power to a shot from the SDF1.

Of course because of the destructive power of this attack the UNG would see this man as a threat and try to take the suit for themselves so they can mass produce thier own.

Edited May 2, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Sumdumgai]

-I would make Snake infiltrate zentraedi fleets by macronizing him and then sticking a space fold booster on him and programming it to drop him into a zentraedi ship, where he must infiltrate and accomplish everything in his sneaking mission. And he only gets to bring a knife.

-To be politically incorrect, I would make sure that the VF-11MAXL Mylene version would have super thin tall high-heels.

-Some post-war Q-raus would have the chest cannons replaced by high powered lights, just to be able to have the pilots say that they flashed someone. (I know that was cheesy)

-use fold boosters to spacefold reflex warheads onto targeted craft. *boom*

-replace the UN Spacy kites with these smiley faces:

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

use fold boosters to spacefold reflex warheads onto targeted craft. *boom*

The PD did something like that in macross 7.

[Nied]

The only change I can think to make is to add a proper centerline tailhook to the VF-1 (mounted on the backpack VF-0 style).

[JB0]

-I would make Snake infiltrate zentraedi fleets by macronizing him and then sticking a space fold booster on him and programming it to drop him into a zentraedi ship, where he must infiltrate and accomplish everything in his sneaking mission.  And he only gets to bring a knife.

If Konami makes Macross Gear, I will give them my first, second, and third-born.

-To be politically incorrect, I would make sure that the VF-11MAXL Mylene version would have super thin tall high-heels.

Poltical incorrectness is always a fine goal to shoot for.

[KingNor]

if i could change anything in macross VF wise. I'd replace the VF's in Mzero with non-transformable planes becaues IMHO valks are for killing huge aliens AND are too heavy and cumbersom for non nuclear engines. (i beleive the f14's would have out performed them until they had their nuke powerplant)

Mzero ruins my day because of this.

another thing i would change would be to stick to more VF-1a style heads and less J and S "facey" looking heads. Just my opinion, i like macross for its attempts at military utilitarism.

[Zinjo]

-Some post-war Q-raus would have the chest cannons replaced by high powered lights, just to be able to have the pilots say that they flashed someone. (I know that was cheesy)

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Wasn't that done in Mac 7 already??? Everything else was...

Anyway, back on topic.

SDFM:

- I'd like to see the VF-1A's heads look more like the VF-0A. The asthetics are more appealing and the VF-0's sensor package looked much more comprehensive compared to the VF-1A.

- I'd like to see Prometheus look like it was adapted for space, in that it would have enclosed elevators for the fighters. As it was it looked like it was business as usual but in space...

- Actual space suits for the SDFM pilots (ala DYRL).

- "Uniforms" (as in "the same"), unlike uniforms that looked like they were civilian suits designed by the same tailor, but individualized.

- BDU's for the pilots and crew, similar to DYRL but especially for the bridge crew. Last time I checked, Naval officers don't wear their dress whites on general duty.

- Redesign of the battle pods to something a bit more consistent with a race who is accustomed to space and planetary battles (the pods are poor examples of effective battle mecha - especially against their equally giant foe the SA).

Mac II

- Marduk changed to the Supervision army, which would require a redesign of their capital ships.

- Greater utilizations of the AAB's by the VF-2SS (they should be miniature versions of the Ghost X-9).

- VF-2JS and VF-2AS versions.

- A gun pod or mounted guns on the AGA-1JF.

- The Holographic cockpit as seen in Mac Plus on the VF-2 Valk IIs.

- Re-design of the Gloria and re-naming to "Glory" or "Glorious".

- Re-design of the Macross Cannon (does it really need to transform?).

- Re-design of the Metal Siren.

- Allow the full intended story to be filmed.

Mac 7

- Too much to mention in this post...

Edited May 4, 2006 by Zinjo