Aliens Vs. Predator 2 Script and Movie Review

[GutsAndCasca]

Bitter? Naw. I just refrain from dissing people on this or any site, and when someone takes a crack at me unprovoked, I have to say something. And man, on Mworld, lots of people sure do love to act like anyone with a conflicting opinion is an inferior person.

[Apollo Leader]

Just watched the trailer and it looks like it will be a fun movie to see. Looks like this one will be R rated for sure.

There were a lot of people on here battying and moaning about the first AVP. I wish AVP had followed the original 1991 script and subsequent based materials (Dark Horse comics, Capcom's arcade game, etc.), but I went in with an open mind and I enjoyed it for what it was. This one should be even better!

[Mr March]

Bitter? Naw. I just refrain from dissing people on this or any site, and when someone takes a crack at me unprovoked, I have to say something. And man, on Mworld, lots of people sure do love to act like anyone with a conflicting opinion is an inferior person.

I don't think MW is as bad as you make it out. You and I are getting along just fine. The internet in general is a very human place, ironically some may argue even more human than everyday life. Here many of the platitudes and social formalities get dropped, for better or for worse. MW isn't unique, and if I may say so, is far better than most. The venom exchanged here doesn't even begin to sratch the surface of some of the biggest and most popular gatherings online. The good part is, people are a lot easier to ignore on the internet. Though I will admit, it seems most of us have this tragic tendency to continue granting attention to people that piss us off

[GutsAndCasca]

Well-put, Mr March. You're the type of individual I don't mind disagreeing with. Heck, I don't mind disagreeing with anybody as long as they can keep it at least somewhat respectful. I try to respect other people's POV's while explaining my own standpoint clearly. Ooooh, I just watched the trailer for AVP2 a couple hours ago, and I think it looks pretty cool! It's not going to be Dark Horse quality stuff, but it's a welcome break from the chick-flick-clone-army that never ceases to march upon us.

(BTW, my wife and I together own around (no joke) 600+ DVDs. And no, I don't own any Adam Sandler movies, or Tommy Boy, or anything else of that sort. I also don't own Star Wars. The only Sci-Fi I own are Pred/Aliens/Terminator, and the 80's remake of The Thing. I sure as hell don't own any Star Wars movies)

[Mr March]

Well really, what is the point of taking these opinions personally? I can't even count the number of times people online have brutally criticized rap music, The Matrix or anime; all things that I happen to enjoy. I do understand that geek culture, speaking as a geek myself, does have the unfortunate commonality of accepting criticism poorly. This is not to say that most people take criticism well (because they don't), but it seems to be an especially strong and universal trait among geekdom.

So maybe the moral of the story is we'd all be better off as people if we got drunk more often and quit taking ourselves/hobbies so seriously

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with enjoying Star Wars, though I acknowledge that the official pass time of the internet seems to be assaulting the prequel zeitgeist with every geek army at our command. I too have a ridiculously large DVD collection (250+) and I'm sure I have more than one or two films in my collection that would ellicit a groan from you and many others

Team America: World Police anyone?

[Phyrox]

Well really, what is the point of taking these opinions personally?

QFT

[eugimon]

Well-put, Mr March. You're the type of individual I don't mind disagreeing with. Heck, I don't mind disagreeing with anybody as long as they can keep it at least somewhat respectful. I try to respect other people's POV's while explaining my own standpoint clearly. Ooooh, I just watched the trailer for AVP2 a couple hours ago, and I think it looks pretty cool! It's not going to be Dark Horse quality stuff, but it's a welcome break from the chick-flick-clone-army that never ceases to march upon us.

(BTW, my wife and I together own around (no joke) 600+ DVDs. And no, I don't own any Adam Sandler movies, or Tommy Boy, or anything else of that sort. I also don't own Star Wars. The only Sci-Fi I own are Pred/Aliens/Terminator, and the 80's remake of The Thing. I sure as hell don't own any Star Wars movies)

without a copy of serenity, your collection is meaningless. MEANINGLESS!

for the record, I find the the trailer for avp2 to be cliched and utterly chock full of the typical shock and slash found in most hollywood movies. It also looks like it will be great fun. I don't expect art from a movie called aliens versus predator, I expect entertainment.

[Kurisama]

Team America: World Police anyone?

I love that movie!

[Mr March]

Yeah me too, but I often catch hell for liking it

[wolfx]

Sigh....i want colonial marines shooting at preds and aliens not some rednecks.

[CoryHolmes]

Sigh....i want colonial marines shooting at preds and aliens not some rednecks.

Perhaps for AvP 3. In the meantime, this looks like it'll be great fun.

[GobotFool]

Ugh... what is aliens without that sense of being surrounded by a claustrophobic industrial setting? I count this movie as a predator movie set in rural setting, that happens to have aliens in it. That makes it hurt much less. While I enjoy the predator movies I don't hold them in nearly as high esteem as I do the Alien movies (well the 1st two at least, though I admit to enjoying 3 and 4 as well). I tend to think of 4 as sort of the prototype for firefly, considering Joss Whedeon wrote it, and it is about questionable rag tag freighter crew. In my imagination I almost like to pretend that Whedon hated how Ressurection turned out so much he decided to make his own movie about a pirate crew in space, but thats just in my imagination.

Edited August 28, 2007 by GobotFool

[Kurisama]

While I enjoy the predator movies I don't hold them in nearly as high esteem as I do the Alien movies (well the 1st two at least, though I admit to enjoying 3 and 4 as well).

Oh come on - the first Predator is a classic and one of Arnie's BEST movies with some of his most memorable line, heck 1/2 half the lines in it are classics!

"Kah maaan, keeel me, aym raite he-a... doo eet - keel meee... what a you weyten fooh-aaa? KEEEEL MEEE!!!"

"I'll bleed you - right here, real quiet like..."

"Ya'll a bunch of slack-jawed f#ggots 'round here, this stuff'll make you a god-damned sexual tyranosaurus - like me."

"I'm gunna have me some fun...I'm gunna have me some fun...I'm gunna have me some fun..."

Oh yeah, de memories.

[Guppy]

I was pleasantly surprised by the new trailer. And believe me I am a die hard Alien/Aliens/Predator/f_ck the rest fan. It's like an all you can eat fast food version of all the good bits of the aforementioned movies I like. There must be a large cast of human characters cos I must have watched about 30 people die in 2 minutes. I just hope they keep the mutant hybrid thingies to an absolute minimum.

[kanedaestes]

without a copy of serenity, your collection is meaningless. MEANINGLESS!

for the record, I find the the trailer for avp2 to be cliched and utterly chock full of the typical shock and slash found in most hollywood movies. It also looks like it will be great fun. I don't expect art from a movie called aliens versus predator, I expect entertainment.

Here here if you don't own Firefly and Serenity leave now lest you be smitted by a lightening bolt from the Sci-Fi gods. Anyway i saw the trailer and was pleasantly surprised. At least now it will be rated R like it should have been. Maybe they won't mess with established continuity so much. (For instance in the last film since when does it only take a few hours to impregnate and have a full grown alien instead of days?)

[Kelsain]

To sort of defend the first AvP a little - it did have a few good ideas in it. The isolation of the aliens in Antarctica was a good way of keeping things quiet. I thought the best part of it was that the expedition was run by the Weyland Corporation, which would later become Weyland-Yutani (aka the Company that Ripley worked for). And Mr Weyland just happened to look like the android that his company would later build. I thought - maybe seeing the Preds/Aliens in action would lead to the interest in exploring space, and the standing directive to investigate all signs of intelligent life that sidetracked the Nostromo. Of course, Weyland died, so that all went out the window...

The new one looks better than the 1st, but I agree: it loses the claustrophobic fear atmosphere for the Aliens. In all of the Alien films, the idea was that if the Aliens ever made it to Earth - even one of them - that would be it. They'd breed through people, dogs, livestock, bears - anything bigger than a cat, probably. That's what Ripley sacrificed so much for. Now suddenly they are on Earth - in our time. It kind of invalidates the struggle of all 4 Alien films.

I just don't see why these have to be current era films. What's wrong with setting a Predator in the future? That way, there at least some suspense of the outcome.

[Mr March]

It's seems so obvious to say it, but after so many years of lousy Alien movies and comic books, the two ideas that I remain convinced would still make a good Alien story is either going back to where the aliens came from or having an alien get on a populated world. Either story, done properly (not like in the later comics), would be far more interesting than any Alien story that I've heard of or seen on screen since Cameron's film. Those two scenarios would make for some really compelling horror in the Alien style and you could do so much with the characters and the action that would have a better payoff than anything else being done with these infamous movie monsters.

[Guest sh002]

i will watch this when it comes out. no doubt the teens will manage to watch this as well.

[lord_breetai]

Trying to convince my girlfriend to give Alien and Aliens a try... but she really dosn't wanna watch them cause she hated AVP with a passion, and no matter how I try to convince her she thinks any of the Alien or Predator movies will be the same.

[bsu legato]

Some of the shameless apologists in this thread make me laugh. This "movie" is nothing more than fanboy pornography, no matter how anybody tries to frame it as silly, harmless fun. Those of you who are all tingly in anticipation of the "action" in this one clearly have no real understanding of what made the first two Alien movies and Predator 1 so good. Congratulations; YOU are that lowest common denominator people keep complaining about. Treat yourself to a trip to Wal Mart, followed by a night of reality television.

Mr March has it right. This trailer just reeks of some executive ticking off a list of complaints based on the last outing.

"More gore - check

More alien on predator action - check

More predator on alien action - check

Predalien - check

Oops, we didn't budget for an actual script, a competent director and some decent actors. Oh well."

[yellowlightman]

Angry fanboy much?

[eugimon]

it's so funny, because all the complaints leveled against avp 2, were the same knee jerk rabid elitism that was leveled against aliens. haha. oh, cameron is a hack, he's a truck driver, not a director, oh alien was about suspense and paranoia and now this truck driver made it into some gore fest action movie, oh alien was so great because you hardly saw the alien and the fear was in your mind and aliens will ruin it by showing too much of them.. blah blah blah.

Just because I enjoy dumb action filled swill doesn't mean I don't know what a "good movie" is. Just like I can enjoy a rollercoaster even though it doesn't go anywhere.

[GutsAndCasca]

Legato - you are so cool. I wish everyone was exactly like you. You just can't be touched sort of like MC Hammer. I bet you even wear the same pants as him. Can I trade you one of my Yamato 1/48 toys for an autograph? After that, please, oh please give me a list of entertainment options I can enjoy without making your sh-t list.

Anyway. MY biggest complaint with Alien Vs. Predator part 1, was the fact that they get rid of the queen by... having her sink to the bottom of the ocean in the antarctic. (?!) The Alien race can survive in the vacuum of space, and any other environment for the most part. Maybe the plot in AVP2 will be that the queen swims on over to Texas once she frees herself, and starts laying eggs.

[eugimon]

Anyway. MY biggest complaint with Alien Vs. Predator part 1, was the fact that they get rid of the queen by... having her sink to the bottom of the ocean in the antarctic. (?!) The Alien race can survive in the vacuum of space, and any other environment for the most part. Maybe the plot in AVP2 will be that the queen swims on over to Texas once she frees herself, and starts laying eggs.

just because aliens can survive space doesn't necessarily mean they can survive the crushing pressure of sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Though, it would make a funny scene to have the queen slowly rising up out of the surf at some beach.

[ShadowerV2]

That reminds me of a line from the Futurama Episode "The deep south" where they get dragged to the bottom of the sea in their space ship. Fry is asking how many atmospheres the ship can handle. And the professor says:

"It's a spaceship so technically somewhere between zero and one".

I wonder if this will apply to the queen too.

[CoryHolmes]

just because aliens can survive space doesn't necessarily mean they can survive the crushing pressure of sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Though, it would make a funny scene to have the queen slowly rising up out of the surf at some beach.

*has the strange vision of the Queen's head-crest slicing through the water towards some unsuspecting swimmers and having the Jaws theme in the background...*

[GutsAndCasca]

*laughing* maybe the queen could just set up shop at the bottom of the sea? She could make shark aliens, squid aliens, sword fish aliens, flying fish aliens, octopus aliens, a Little Nemo alien.

[The Shade]

*laughing* maybe the queen could just set up shop at the bottom of the sea? She could make shark aliens, squid aliens, sword fish aliens, flying fish aliens, octopus aliens, a Little Nemo alien.

Somehow, I just have this feeling that Hollywood scriptwriters are looking up this thread and mining it for ideas for AVP3.

[bsu legato]

it's so funny, because all the complaints leveled against avp 2, were the same knee jerk rabid elitism that was leveled against aliens. haha. oh, cameron is a hack, he's a truck driver, not a director, oh alien was about suspense and paranoia and now this truck driver made it into some gore fest action movie, oh alien was so great because you hardly saw the alien and the fear was in your mind and aliens will ruin it by showing too much of them.. blah blah blah.

And just where was this? You have some pre-Internet postings to back that up. Besides, when Cameron was signed to do Aliens he already had a little film called "The Terminator" to his credit.

[bsu legato]

Legato - you are so cool. I wish everyone was exactly like you. You just can't be touched sort of like MC Hammer. I bet you even wear the same pants as him. Can I trade you one of my Yamato 1/48 toys for an autograph? After that, please, oh please give me a list of entertainment options I can enjoy without making your sh-t list.

Indeed. As a matter of fact, I'm wearing them right now. Fashion is cyclical, don't you know? I'm just ahead of the game?

As for discussing entertainment, why don't you develop some taste and then we'll talk.

[Mr March]

There's rampant fanboyism for the sake of noise and then there's knowing better. I'm not posting negative reactions because I like to see myself type. I'm looking for one good sign from that trailer - just one - that gives some indication this film is going to be different from any number of other trashy horror/sci-fi films we've already seen, other than the novelty of an Alien and a Predator (like the first AVP).

Just because I don't enjoy crap like AVP, doesn't mean I don't know how to enjoy disposable entertainment.

And bsu has it nailed with Cameron; he was a talent and we all understood he had the chops post-Terminator.

[GutsAndCasca]

I'm going to state exactly where I'm coming from. I think others may be from the same place in this thread.

1. I don't think this new AVP is going to be even worthy of comparison with Alien/Aliens and the original Predator.

2. The fact that it's taking place on Earth with teenagers straight out of "Chainsaw Massacre" is proof enough that something has gone seriously wrong in the script writing. Whoever orchestrated this scenario should be shot.

3. I am HOPING, because I am entitled to as a human, that this film will have at least a few parts where I lose myself in the moment and think "wow, that was really cool."

4. I'm not naive enough to hope that this movie will be even close to worthy of being compared to the first Dark Horse comic books released years ago carrying the same name.\

5. IF I DIDN'T HAVE GOOD TASTE, THEN I WOULDN'T BE A MACROSSWORLD MEMBER, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN BE POSTING ON THIS THREAD. So there.

[eugimon]

And just where was this? You have some pre-Internet postings to back that up. Besides, when Cameron was signed to do Aliens he already had a little film called "The Terminator" to his credit.

please, his whole UK crew thought he was a hack. they made fun of him, they made fun of his wife, they walked off the job. Aliens may have been a critical darling after it was released, but there was some serious contention during production. My source is bill paxton and the audio commentary on the DVD. But I guess you would know better, right? I'm sure you're also some secret industry player and actually worked closer on the film than paxton and know that he's just spinning yarn. Oh that bill paxton, such a funny guy with his giant ball of yarn.

And Mr March: just becuase a film doesn't tread new ground or otherwise distinguishes itself from the pack doesn't mean it can't be fun. But I can fully accept that "fun" is subjective and that you and I might not have the same definition of "fun." However, I will maintain that attacking someone personally for their film or toy choices is uncalled for and immature. For me, that sort of rampant fanboy elitism automatically has little redeeming value. Just becuase I happen to like a certain movie or caliber of movie does not mean I'm some mouth breathing, highschool drop out hick. It may just mean that I have an appreciation for pop culture that is different from your, or bsu's tastes and I wholly object to being insulted because of it.

Not saying that you, mr march, were insulting in your response, just that some people on this board can't distinguish between disagreeing and a verbal pushing match. But for anyone wanting to push, go ahead, I push back.

Edited August 29, 2007 by eugimon

[Knight26]

The thing that made the original Alien and Aliens such great movies IMHO is that they were different movies, they didn't try to rehash the same concept over and over again like the later ones did. ALien 3 tried to make it more like the original, all moody, dark and scary, but utterly failed in the execution. Alien was a completely flawed concept from the get go and tried to make itself more like Aliens, more action, less cerebral, just blowing away aliens left and right, and it stunk as a result. The original predator was cool again because it was new, an Alien hunting humans on earth, that works, and the Alien can give Arnold a run for his money, even better. Pred-2, sorry Danny Glover against Aliens, doesn't work for me as well, I kopt expecting Mel Gibson to run out with Joe Pesci right behind him. Don't get me wrong I like Pred-2 but it could have been better, it would have worked better, IMHO if they had done the reverse of the Alien-ALiens thing and went to a much darker more suspenseful movie in the second installment.

As for AVP we all know what the fanboys wanted, Aliens, predators and Colonial Marines. Instead we got a fairly poorly plotted action movie that killed the established Alien canon in an attempt to tie the two franchises together on Earth. Why put it on Earth in the first place, why not use AVP to explain why no more Aliens were discovered prior to Alien 4, maybe have it show the last culling of the Aliens by the Predators, now that would have been cool. From what I have read and heard about this latest installment it sounds less like an ALiens or Predator movie and more like a teen slasher flick, with Aliens, Preds and Predaliens replacing Jason, Freddy, mike Myers, et al... What's next does robocop show up to defeat them just as another terminator comes to find John Conner hiding in the town, why not through them all together and ruin all four franchises?

[bsu legato]

please, his whole UK crew thought he was a hack. they made fun of him, they made fun of his wife, they walked off the job. Aliens may have been a critical darling after it was released, but there was some serious contention during production. My source is bill paxton and the audio commentary on the DVD. But I guess you would know better, right? I'm sure you're also some secret industry player and actually worked closer on the film than paxton and know that he's just spinning yarn. Oh that bill paxton, such a funny guy with his giant ball of yarn.

Yeah, we've heard the "grumbly UK crew" story before. They also didn't like some American showing up to sequelize their hit movie. But I had asssumed you were talking about the film-going public and their opinions, like the rest of us were. I never claimed to have some super insider info.

Also, get bent.