New Shadow Chronicles Screen Caps

[jenius]

I just hope this new production has those cat robots that crumble apart when you sneeze at them.

Lemme check, you're okay with the Protodevlin designs but not ok with The Sentinels? Guitars piloting Valks okay... boxy spaceship not? You are a wonder of fancy good sir. How do we feel about space whales? Seriously, it's one thing to knock the character designs (which still seems silly to me.. I don't know what you guys expected from HG and Robotech) but another one for a Mac7 fan to claim that there were too many fantasy elements in the RT world. I'm not even knocking Mac7 here, I'm just saying the basis for conclusion should have some consideration of foundation.

[Keith]

Lemme check, you're okay with the Protodevlin designs but not ok with The Sentinels?

Let's see, Protodevelin = omni-barrier shields, high power beam weapons, space fold capabilities, & overall near perfect biological representations of the Protoculture's battleship technology. Consider them akin to the type of technology used in shows like Farscape, biologically grown super weapons.

As opposed to the Sentinels with its giant slug people, robot cats that crumble to pieces when you look at them funny, and recycled Southern Cross enemy mecha. So yes, I'm quite ok with the Protodevelin, and not so much with the Sentiels.

Guitars piloting Valks okay...

Guitar styled control sticks you mean? Sure, why not. Have all the normal functions of a standard flight & thrust control, only shaped like a guitar. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

boxy spaceship not?

SC had some butt ugly mecha, end of story. And hell, the Sentinels even managed to make the Legioss look like trash.

You are a wonder of fancy good sir.

Not really, just someone with common sense.

How do we feel about space whales?

I feel they're quite awesome, to swallow a reaction weapon whole, and spit back in the face of their attackers, badass!

Seriously, it's one thing to knock the character designs (which still seems silly to me.. I don't know what you guys expected from HG and Robotech) but another one for a Mac7 fan to claim that there were too many fantasy elements in the RT world.  I'm not even knocking Mac7 here, I'm just saying the basis for conclusion should have some consideration of foundation.

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And not knowing 7, you're hardly in a position to judge. I've seen 7, and I've seen all animated robotech. I know of where I speak. But then this isn't a discussion about Macross 7, so if you've got a problem with my view on robotech sequels, I suggest you address them on topic, instead of diverting to off topic things which you admit you've never seen.

Edited April 11, 2006 by Keith

[jenius]

I don't get it, I have seen Macross7... why do you think I haven't? I do forget the names of the characters, and it wasn't something I watched in the last six months, but I've definitely seen it... the whole darn thing.

The point was on topic also... you were saying that the Sentinels had some way bad ideas... I pointed out that Mac7 had 'em too but some of us overlook them and enjoy the story anyway. Kinda going back to the whole "too soon to judge." Since you're going into it with the mentality that it will be the biggest animated turd ever... because apparently Americans can not come up with good anime in your book, then I'm guessing no matter what you're going to hate it.

Edited April 11, 2006 by jenius

[Phyrox]

Why are you even bothering to argue with Keith? Or take him seriously? I think the rest of us gave up on both long ago.

[Roy Focker]

How about we use the term "Questionable ideas"

[Lightning]

but at least Zoids and Vandread were cool shows, and the pulled off the low budget theme very nicely.....this new RT show however.....just sucks.

Crap, I don't get it, I feel like I'm fairly in the loop on this production but some of you guys seem to know some stuff about the actual story that I haven't heard. How do you know this show sucks? If the character designs and CG are similar to shows that were eventually deemed Good, and that's all we have for RT so far, how can we deem it bad? I seriously don't get the jumps here unless someone can point me toward some background on the actual story of the show...

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Granted, we don't really know the background of the story and all, but for as "big" of a company that HG thinks (yes THINKS) it is, couldn't they had given their "surpreme masterpiece", (the show that they bastardized by butchering three prefectly good shows while claiming they did ALL the work) quite a bit more funding? or is it that the MPC sales are the only source of funding for this......movie?

Come on, the character designs look like they were very partially ripped from 7 and both the character and mech designs look like something I could have drawn!!! at least, if it was me, the women would've ended up with even bigger.........(let's not forget, I SUCK AT DRAWING!)

P.S. that little speech was not directed at any MW member here, i love you people!

[AncientAngel]

Jenuis: Just drop the subject. If it is not Macross related the guys on this board are not intrested in it. For the most part your just talking on deaf ears around here when it comes to anything RT. Unless it happens to be an MPC Alpha Fighter which seems to be some sort of guilty pleasure around here.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Err... I liked the new BSG from the get go.

yeah but there was a lot noise by fans of the old who initially wished the show had retain the feel of the older show. One example is how we saw mainly humanoid cylons instead of the typical robot looking cylons. Big change there. And how the main character was changed to a female who smokes cigars for the sake of it. (maybe they are aiming at the 50 percent of the population ie females who tend to shy away from sci fi shows due to the geek factor?)

(the show that they bastardized by butchering three prefectly good shows while claiming they did ALL the work)

Wasn't the excuse that they could NOT show these shows because there were not enough episodes so they had to mash them together? We may have gotten the original shows if they were not forced to mash the shows together and tie them all up as one big show.

And so now that they've been mashed together there is a big mess: a huge robotech fanbase that wants more, (aware of the originals stories that it spawned from but who genuinely like the RT story built up from all the novels and comics and stuff) while others have moved on and found out the real stories of the shows but because the shows are so old, there is now no continuation of them due to age. (so the newer generation of anime fans focus on newer mecha shows because they are embarassed by the crap animation of older anime. There was one example of a guy trying to get his friends to watch macross but because it was so old, people tended to not care even if it was good for its time)

Edited April 11, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[HoveringCheesecake]

Err... I liked the new BSG from the get go.

yeah but there was a lot noise by fans of the old who initially wished the show had retain the feel of the older show. One example is how we saw mainly humanoid cylons instead of the typical robot looking cylons. Big change there. And how the main character was changed to a female who smokes cigars for the sake of it. (maybe they are aiming at the 50 percent of the population ie females who tend to shy away from sci fi shows due to the geek factor?)

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Oh yeah, like Richard Hatch and his fanboys. Ugh. New BSG > old BSG by LEAPS AND BOUNDS. Plus, I'd hit the new Starbuck anyday even if she could kick my ass.

Did I mention that the new BSG is my favorite show on television? I can't wait for season 3 in October.

BUT enough about BSG before we drag the thread too far off topic.

[Roy Focker]

so the newer generation of anime fans focus on newer mecha shows because they are embarassed by the crap animation of older anime. There was one example of a guy trying to get his friends to watch macross but because it was so old, people tended to not care even if it was good for its time

About that I don't get it. That being that older anime has embarassing crap animation. Granted some shows animation suck as and some of the episodes of Macross that were done but anime friend is a good example but there were a lot of shows in the eighties that had great animation and great stories. The art style was retro but they were master pieces.

The new anime just has 'anime new anime style' but the art isn't really better it just looks new. We can take screen grabs from a dozen shows and most of us can guess with in a period of five years when it they made. Newer isn't better it's just newer looking.

[JsARCLIGHT]

The new anime just has 'anime new anime style' but the art isn't really better it just looks new.  We can take screen grabs from a dozen shows and most of us can guess with in a period of five years when it they made.  Newer isn't better it's just newer looking.

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And the same can be said about movies and music... just because something comes out now as opposed to fifteen or twenty years ago does not instantly give it superiority. If anything IMHO most of the new things are lower in quality (not just visuals but storyteling as well) due to the new technology innovations like CGI that have reduced the overall cost of making something today so now almost anything can get a greenlight... in fact, "budget" movie and TV show making are certain director's calling cards these days.

All that being said I myself would like to see actual budget numbers for Shadow Chronicles just to know what the actual cost of production was... I'm not trying to use this as some sort of fanboy rant, I just want to know how much money they need to make to bring this thing out of the red. A lot of times that will tell you how well something will do... if they totally broke the bank getting this thing made then you could really make a strong argument that no matter how well it does it will fail as the cost to produce will overshadow any future efforts. But at the same time if this thing was made on a shoestring budget and turns a healthy profit then you might see it keep going. Popular or not, liked or not, it's all in the finances... if this project is as low budget as some people keep saying it is then I'd think it would be hard pressed to not turn a profit. At the same time it's also all about the marketing tie-ins... outside of the comics what sort of large ticket stuff does HG have in the works to cross sell? That might also sway the thing.

[Myriad]

Animation quality does not matter to me if the story is good. Old or new I just want a decent story.

[Keith]

I don't get it, I have seen Macross7... why do you think I haven't?  I do forget the names of the characters, and it wasn't something I watched in the last six months, but I've definitely seen it... the whole darn thing.

Perhaps it had something to do with your general unfamiliarness of what actually took place in the show, and the weak arguments you spewed seemed a lot like those of people who haven't seen it.

The point was on topic also... you were saying that the Sentinels had some way bad ideas...

I said Sentinels had robot cats that crumbled into dust when you spit on them, this is 100% true!

I pointed out that Mac7 had 'em too but some of us overlook them and enjoy the story anyway.

Macross 7 was perfectly implemented, you're crazy!!

Kinda going back to the whole "too soon to judge."  Since you're going into it with the mentality that it will be the biggest animated turd ever... because apparently Americans can not come up with good anime in your book, then I'm guessing no matter what you're going to hate it.

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Hey, I said I'll buy it, watch it, and stick it with my 2 other Robotech DVD's. What more do you want?

[kensei]

With the discovery of YouTube, I finally got to watch the trailer. Is it me or are the voice actors completely crap?

[Mowe]

Oh dear…this looks crap already…I am so happy .

Actually, this reminds me of those late 70’s porn flick companies. You know...those low budget production companies tasted great success with an early lucky break and went on to produce more B-grade films…then ideas dried up and desperate for production, and eventually turned to low budget porn.

I am already looking forward to the next HG production: “She Ain’t No Lesbian, Just A Giant Zentradianâ€.

[Lightning]

now THAT would be weird...

[Roy Focker]

Great the offical Hentai is just the next sequel away!

The next animated project will be a prequel of Zor beeping a slug in flower garden. He then steals the flowers and slug envolves into to the Regiss. You don't want to know how Breetai loses his eye.

[Phalanx]

I don't wanna ride the bandwagon in terms of flaming Shadow Chronicles too but I can't judge this show if Ihaven't seen it just yet but as long as there's alotta action and a well developed story to it, it's good IMHO. However I do think that HG made a big mistake trying to make a sequel out of Mospeada. If you ask me for MHO, I think that Mospeada was like all those other sci-fi anime shows that don't deserve a sequel to it. I maynot have seen all the episodes to it but I can assure you that it didn't need a sequel it was already good as is it was. To create a sequel to this anime would be like having unprotected sex with your sister( I know that's not related to it but I thought that I'd say that to be funny)

The same thing can be said about some movies where there are some that deserve a sequel and some that don't unless they are box office smashes. In terms of making a sequels to stuff, I just don't see how after 20 years HG decides to do a sequel to mospeada and it turns out to suck like some of you guys say. It's like they thought of the idea at the very last minute out of the blue and besides, because the show is about 20 some years old I don't think I'm interested in one since it took so damn long to do one. If HG planned on doing a sequel to Mospeada then they should have done it along time ago back in the mid 90's or a few years after it first aired in America. But what's next Brokeback Chronicles, Shadow Chronocles Reloaded or Shadow Chronicles Revolutions?!

[azrael]

Great the offical Hentai is just the next sequel away!

The next animated project will be a prequel of Zor beeping a slug in flower garden.  He then steals the flowers and slug envolves into to the Regiss.  You don't want to know how Breetai loses his eye. 

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If it involves tentacles and Breetai in a school-girl uniform....count me out.

[Roy Focker]

To create a sequel to this anime would be like having unprotected sex with your sister

Yes sex okay with siblings as long as you use protection.

[Zinjo]

Err... I liked the new BSG from the get go.

And so now that they've been mashed together there is a big mess: a huge robotech fanbase that wants more, (aware of the originals stories that it spawned from but who genuinely like the RT story built up from all the novels and comics and stuff) while others have moved on and found out the real stories of the shows but because the shows are so old, there is now no continuation of them due to age. (so the newer generation of anime fans focus on newer mecha shows because they are embarassed by the crap animation of older anime. There was one example of a guy trying to get his friends to watch macross but because it was so old, people tended to not care even if it was good for its time)

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I believe it was on these forums that someone pointed out that if HG had shown all the shows separately under a common "Robotech" banner it would have been better.

From a business point of view it would have worked out better for them and the infant NA anime industry at the time.

How many mecha shows could have been brought to North America under the "Robotech" banner and they could have still retained their original stories?

Instead they opted to "try" to marry three unrelated shows together.

Now I like RT, but the original series' it came from (except "Southern Cross") were more compelling.

IMO so long as HG doesn't impede the exposure of anime fans to the Macross franchise, then they can have their piece of the market.

[jenius]

However I do think that HG made a big mistake trying to make a sequel out of Mospeada.

There is a rumor that the new HG Robotech series will be easily adaptable to a MOSPEADA sequel for Japan, it's just a rumor at this point. In the world of Robotech they didn't really have a choice. If they were going to make a sequel it was going to have to come after The New Generation (and thus feature MOSPEADA art and designs). The other option would have been to go way in the future like they were going to try with Robotech 3000 before it got moth-balled. I think the fans wanted a more direct sequel though anyway.

From a business point of view it would have worked out better for them and the infant NA anime industry at the time.

Actually, it wouldn't have worked at all. Macek and crew's original intention was to figure out a way to get the series on American broadcasts. The broadcasters mandated it be ONE series of 85 episodes. Hence, three series were brutally smashed into one series of 84 episodes.... and then Macek made an edit between Macross and Super Dimensional Calvary to create an 85th episode.

Now I like RT, but the original series' it came from (except "Southern Cross") were more compelling.

All of the original series are superior, including SDC Southern Cross. The Robotech Masters arc or Robotech makes very little sense in comparison to SDC Southern Cross. The original series has a very heavy "body-snatchers" theme that was meant to be scary. Robotech ditched the focus on that plot device and managed to take any cool factor "The Masters" had and flushed it down the toilet.

Is it me or are the voice actors completely crap?

I'm not sure which preview you saw, got a link? I thought I heard that one of the voice actors was Spike from Cowboy Bebop (I think he's in all anime dubs) and another was Mark Hammil. Both are considered pretty good. Spike mighta just been for that UN clip though... my memory is way fuzzy on who was doing voices.

[Keith]

To create a sequel to this anime would be like having unprotected sex with your sister

Yes sex okay with siblings as long as you use protection.

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This forum now needs a "best quote of the week" marquee that has this text in big flashing letters.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Yes sex okay with siblings as long as you use protection.

I just realised something..minmay and kaifun were pretty disturbingly 'close' in macross. Maybe in the robotech world what they could do is have it so minmay was pregnant with his child from the time they were seen going in together in the hotel. Scoopuda!!

Also it's no secret everyone hates minmei in the robotech universe. Here's a sample of what I mean amongst some robotech fans:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=164220

It's time they made minmie an evil villain who turned bitter and wanted to get revenge on hikaru er I mean rick, and minmei becomes a spy for the aliens.

Edited April 13, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[JKeats]

To create a sequel to this anime would be like having unprotected sex with your sister

Yes sex okay with siblings as long as you use protection.

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This forum now needs a "best quote of the week" marquee that has this text in big flashing letters.

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Seriously. This is why you should edit your posts, Roy.

[Roy Focker]

[Lightning]

Roy, you're starting to become really disturbing...

I was just thinking, where did Max wander off to?

[Sumdumgai]

If I had an identical twin brother it would be okay to have protected sex with him? Since it's like the same genes and everything and we're identical would it count as gay sex or masturbation?

I hate Robotech look at what it made me ask!

[Roy Focker]

Hey what makes me the expert?

I'm just running with Phalanx's comment about the danger of unprotected sibling sex.

[Valkyrie Hunter D]

If I had an identical twin brother it would be okay to have protected sex with him?  Since it's like the same genes and everything and we're identical would it count as gay sex or masturbation?

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Neither, you'd just be guilty of extreme vanity.

As for the topic at hand, all I can say is "meh".

[1st Border Red Devil]

Well,

Scott Glasgow added a link to some of the music from Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles that hasn't yet been featured on his MySpace page, including the new version of the main title. So far, I like Defold.

Edit: Crikey....I forgot the links. Sheesh.

Scott Glasgow Index of Music (Scroll down to the RSC section)

Additional Themes

Edited April 17, 2006 by 1st Border Red Devil

[Mowe]

Um...I think I have just found a better HG Macross porn title: "Deep Defold"

Edit: Oops, I mean HG "Robotech" porn title .

Scott Glasgow added a link to some of the music from Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles that hasn't yet been featured on his MySpace page, including the new version of the main title. So far, I like Defold.

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Edited April 17, 2006 by Mowe

[CoryHolmes]

Well,

Scott Glasgow added a link to some of the music from Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles that hasn't yet been featured on his MySpace page, including the new version of the main title. So far, I like Defold.

Edit: Crikey....I forgot the links. Sheesh.

Scott Glasgow Index of Music (Scroll down to the RSC section)

Additional Themes

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It would appear he's taken that music down already.

[HoveringCheesecake]

Hah. Good thing I saved it all.

[EXO]

I can't help but think that Harmony Gold made the same exact mistake twice in their career as an anime producer. They made an attempt to continue Robotech with a series that turned into a feature instead. With the same characters and same mechs... We already have one Sentinels and they just remade it with the Shadow Cronicles. Wasn't this suppose to come out as part of the 20th anniversary of Robotech? It's already 2006, Robotech was first aired in 1985.

"Hey remember that failed animation project we had in the 80's! Let's do it again! Maybe we can sell some more crappy toys. If not let's just go back to milking Macross... no not Mospeada and Southern Cross, just Macross."