Veritas Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 they look bionicled 426268[/snapback] Yeah that's about the best way to put it alright. Lego must be happy heh.
Seven Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 they look bionicled 426268[/snapback] That's the first thing that popped into my mind too.
Fatalist Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Michael Bay needs to be banished to a desert island along with his best friend Uwe Boll.
promethuem5 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Please god don't let that be the real thing...
David Hingtgen Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 I doubt they spent that much time and money just as diversions... PS--remember the much-maligned "techno-gorilla" Starscream drawing? Then Bay said "that's just some early concept art, the real things aren't like that, don't worry". Well, that concept art looks more like the real thing than anything else so far.
Fit For Natalie Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Since www.tfw2005.com is down, uploading these Blackout CG and toy Optimus Prime CG Scorponok toy (Ain't It Cool News will no doubt call it 'skorponok' because they don't know how to spell 'scorpion') Starscream toy
areaseven Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 WTF? Why does Prime look anorexic? And why does Starscream look like a freakin' Insecticon?
cube Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 no one can really be stupid enough to think that these ar ethe transformers that people want to see...i'm hoping it's some brilliant campaign of misinformation.
Twoducks Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Thanks for the pics I like them. Those complex transformations are going to be fun to watch. Hollywood can't make a decent movie these days so at least I want to see some cool transformations (the few of them the movie will have if there are so many fleshy bots running around). Guess if you are an alien species of sentient robots you can have enough technology to have more complex disguises than shifting boxes. Poor Hasbro though; very difficult to nail those designs in little toy form. If a high quality version of that Decepticon chopper could be possible, I’d sure buy it.
Jinnai Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 I think they all look awesome. Simple as that. I like Starscream's shape a lot, in my eyes it screams lethality. Does anyone else think his head looks like Jeeg?
Guest sh002 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 IMO the toys look better than the CG they will be using for the movie, if these are true pics. I don't like skeletal robots. They would look better if they were skeletal underneath more solid forms.
Seven Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 That Starscream design screams more Zanscare mobile suit from V Gundam than anything like Jeeg. Look at the eyes and how chunky the body is. Terrible.
Radd Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 They look too cluttered to me, I've never liked the design asthetic it seems they were going for with these.
promethuem5 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Wow. I just died a little inside.... I can't believe anyone working on this movie would expect TF fans to really like these designs...
Hikuro Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 I'm pretty dissapointed I doubt those are ploys to make ppl pissed then over joyed when the movie comes out and it's intirely different. The thing that makes me mad the most is that you wouldn't have a clue those are the characters (cept for prime) unless the name was attatched to it. I mean damn they couldn't even keep the headstyles right.....they look like insects or reject live action movie Guyver monster head shots.
Guest sh002 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 I was just playing around with how this would look but I would prefer solid parts instead of all these little parts exposed.
UN_MARINE Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 wow... now those are really logical & feasable transformations what the hell were they smoking when they thought these designs were a good idea? did they just pick up guys that know how to use a 3d program for these designs? cg transformation magic... LAME sure, i can appreciate the bot designs, but NOT as transformers.
Guest sh002 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Seriously, if they were able to use the designs from Alternators/Binaltech/Masterpiece, they would have had modern vehicles that looked good in both modes, looked believable, and paid homage to G1. Too bad. Many of us here have been exposed to 20+ years of greatly designed transforming and non-transforming robots/mecha. Those designs for the movie are ridiculous. Edited August 19, 2006 by sh002
eriku Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) I don't like these at all, and not because I'm a TF purist or anything. I'm accepting of change with TFs, as long as the bot modes look good and are aesthetically pleasing, but these things are beyond believeable. There is no way, outside of CG magic, that real-life vehicles could morph into the giant jumble of tiny fragments that those things are. On top of that, I just simply don't find them visually appealing. They look more like McFarlane designs (Interlink) or Bionicles than the transforming bots I've grown to love, which include but is not limited to TF. It's funny, they wanted to stay away from mass displacement ala Soundwave, but they choose to use designs that are equally outlandish and impossible. At a glance all of the characters so far look the same to me so the characters ar fairly interchangable. Props for wanting to try a new approach, but a big resounding BOOOOOO to the final product. Edited August 19, 2006 by eriku
mister_e Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Now I know why Bay wanted to keep people from seeing the bots until the movie was released, because now I have no interest in seeing this film. I was cautiously optimistic up to this point (even though I was worried by the rumors I was hearing), but this is like spitting in my eye. He hasn't "reimagined" G1, he's butchered the living hell out of it with these Bionicle figures. Even signing Peter Cullen can't bring me to the theater to watch this man single handledly destroy some of my most treasured childhood memories. It's kind of funny that in the 80's the animated bots had to be over simplified because it would be tedious/difficult to animate figures with so much detail. Whereas now, the toys have to be simplified because you can't make a decent toy with that many small moving parts. EDIT: spelling Edited August 19, 2006 by mister_e
buddhafabio Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) that starscream is a toy look at the legs it has screws in it. would they have screws exposed. in a model for a movie even if it is just a desk model? the only thing that seems to be consistant is the bumblebee and prime. and remember when enterprise came out there was a "fake ship" picture that was released. it looked more organic then the enterprise that looked like the akirsa class ship Edited August 19, 2006 by buddhafabio
VF5SS Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Hey, looks like Western Design values have screwed up Transformers! What do the fans think? From here. "Oh great Matrix... We need your help, My dream movie is being destroyed by the Powers That Be. They have given us Flames, Gorilla-Bots, Robot's with no face or mouth. Robots with Spindly Chicken Legs, Long Arms. There is a Blackout and Barricade?? Toy companies are trying to throw there new toys in our face. We have been LIED to. We were promised a G1 movie which was a farce. This is our Darkest Hour....help..."
Vermillion21 Posted August 19, 2006 Posted August 19, 2006 Wow. Lots of news on the movie in the last 2 days. Pics make the TF characters look way too organic, almost Beast Wars-like. A shame. I thought the movie producers were going for a G1 homage look? More like a re-imaging to me. It'll be interesting to see the movie-tie-in toy line that will inevitably get produced.
JB0 Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 http://flickr.com/photos/lights/218633474/Bumblebee.... What was that Mr Bay... You wanted them to look realistic? tell me how the hell this realistically can transform into a camero without a sh!t load of movie magic. 426257[/snapback] By the Matrix... It's the dreaded Bumblebeevanagelion!
Effect Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) You know going by those toy pictures those are actually what I expect a live action version with CGI to look like. I mean come if they are going for a look as if they existed in the real world I doubt we'd get the versions we are used to. I knew some change had to be done and I really doubt we are going to get the exact action seen in the comics and cartoons. How would an alien race of robots actually design themselves? I say go for the more complex design to see how it works (toys can be made to reflect the look, not like you have to tone a toy down on detail (which might have been the case years ago). The animation seeing them transform, better be detailed, will be pretty amazing on it's own. I'm still trying to hold my final opinion on these designs until I see them in action in a trailer though. What will make or break things I think is how they actually appear in motion and in actual action scenes I feel. If that's well done enough I think people will overlook the different designs. Edited August 20, 2006 by Effect
cwmodels Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Well, its a concept, one out of hundreds, maybe thousands. Even a final design would go through changes during post production. Either way, that sort of design is kind of physically impossible to turn into a functional toy, methinks. Hasbro wouldn't let them do that being the license owner and merchandiser Is cwmodels jerking us around or what? I'm rather annoyed since that second one looks even more amatuerish which leads me to believe this is a hoax. Okay... Edited August 20, 2006 by cwmodels
Fit For Natalie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 If anybody is interested, Remy uploaded a gallery of Classics Optimus Prime. Now there's an Optimus Prime. Wow. Lots of news on the movie in the last 2 days. Pics make the TF characters look way too organic, almost Beast Wars-like. 426498[/snapback] Naw - if you study BW closely you'll see many of the bots (particularly ones from the early years) were still using the same design features and styles as previous Transformers. These designs are closer to the cancelled Transtech line, whose concept art by Draxhall Jump were rather alien.As usual, Hasbro and Takara's toy interpretations simplified and 'transformerized' them.
Fit For Natalie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Well, its a concept, one out of hundreds, maybe thousands. Even a final design would go through changes during post production. Either way, that sort of design is kind of physically impossible to turn into a functional toy, methinks. Hasbro wouldn't let them do that being the license owner and merchandiser Is cwmodels jerking us around or what? I'm rather annoyed since that second one looks even more amatuerish which leads me to believe this is a hoax. Okay... 426586[/snapback] Ahh yes, quoting out of context.Well, I'm sorry I didn't believe you when you posted those pics with nary an explanation before, during or afterwards. A little context then and there would have helped those of us scratching our heads Edited August 20, 2006 by Fit For Natalie
eriku Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 If anybody is interested, Remy uploaded a gallery of Classics Optimus Prime. Now there's an Optimus Prime. Looks great, aside from that arm kibble which I'm sure I'll get used to. The smokestack guns aren't really doing it for me either, but oh well. The first thing I'm doing with mine is painting his head crest silver (WHY is it yellow?) and removing that yellow from his forearms.
kensei Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) If I got that, I would be tempted to drill some bores into the double barreled weapon. He looks a bit daft sticking that in your face. Very nice toy. Excellent line. I initially thought that red top was a shield, but I love how it folds into a powerful rifle. Edited August 20, 2006 by kensei
David Hingtgen Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 Yellow has replaced silver/chrome as the accent color of choice on TF's lately. Especially Prime. You know, amber works well on Prime due to all the bullet lights, turn signals, etc in truck mode. And it's not nearly as garish. But when they use bright yellow instead of amber: A. It looks bad/unrealistic/cheap. Vehicles have amber lights, not yellow. And "cheap yellow paint" is the #1 way to identify knockoffs of a lot of toys. B. It encourages them to use that paint as accents everywhere. PS--that is the worst yellow I've ever seen on a toy, period. There are shades of yellow out there asides from "pale, ugly, nigh-pastel" for giant robots. See Roy's VF's! Deep yellow can look really good, pale yellow doesn't look good on anything, ever. It just screams "cheap toy" since that's the only thing in the world pale yellow is ever used on.
Fit For Natalie Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 'Yellow paint/plastic is cheap-looking' collector mentality is a pet peeve of mine. Same with the description of any non-dark colour as 'neon', 'baby' or 'girly'. Besides, in the world of kids toys, amber (in this case) is too close a colour to his predominant red.
David Hingtgen Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Yellow isn't the problem, PALE yellow is the problem. Did you see my Roy's valk comment? The Jolly Rogers do not have a cheap-looking yellow. Nor do the Blue Angels. Nor Sunstreaker. Even McDonald's. It is quite possible to just have normal, rich yellow. But most toy companies don't seem to have it. Yamato's about the only one it seems (and even theirs is still too pale). But for some reason, Hasbro especially, toy companies seem to only ever use the most pale, sickly-looking yellow money can buy. And it looks bad on everything, regardless of context. (I do believe its a cost issue--ever since lead was banned from paint, white and yellow have had problems---the only good yellow pigment is lead chromate, and it was cheap--now that it's gone, getting a decent yellow costs more. Probably add .008 cents to the cost of the average toy. When I say "cheap yellow" I'm being quite literal) FYI, the yellow used by the Jolly Rogers, and thus Roy in a way, is specified that it should always match lead-pigmented yellow. No "cheap pale yellow" on the commander's plane... Also, amber isn't at all too close to red. Go look at MP Prime. Amber works, because he's a truck, and trucks have amber lights all over. Depending on how many runnning lights, it can run into the hundreds. When's the last time you saw a vehicle with pastel yellow turn signals or marker lamps? Amber=accent color of every vehicle on the planet, regardless of what side of the road it drives on. Plenty of amber on G1 toys that I can remember. Not much pale yellow, besides stickers and Prime's eyes, ironically. (Sunstreaker is a DEEP yellow) (Though my collection was about 95% Decepticon, so I didn't have that many cars--lots of planes though) And if amber/red doesn't work for kid's toys, what about the zillion "flame" toys? Almost every single line has a "fire/flaming" character or version of the main character. Many similar shades of yellow/orange/red. PS--anyone else sorta annoyed that there's a bunch of new shots of MP Starscream already from Chara Hobby, but we're still scrounging for YF-19 shots? "Wow, 20 news shots of MP SS from the exact same angles and pose we've already seen". Though I did notice the it looks like the wing transformation is quite different than I thought. It almost seems like the root flips 180, but then the rest of the wing angles out from the root on a sliding hinge. Edited August 20, 2006 by David Hingtgen
Twoducks Posted August 20, 2006 Posted August 20, 2006 More MP SS: http://fantofan.jp/news/event/charahobby20...ahobby-2006.htm http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&albu...ize=800&start=0 (Links taken from tfw2005) Really like how the back breaks up: http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album...ize=800&start=0 http://fantofan.jp/news/event/charahobby2006/rSANY0035.jpg
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