Gundam Show Thread - MSG thru Witch from Mercury

[seti88]

Those suit animations were awesome. Oh how I wish it was an official movie from bandai.

[captain america]

On 5/25/2018 at 9:22 PM, dizman said:

Hmm I don't know if Tomino hates Victory or if it is more hatred towards Sunrise for selling out to Bandai and making the production a mess. Either way I wouldn't be surprised to see Victory erased first, Bandai knows there isn't a big market for the suits other than Victory and V2.

 

Has Bandai ever really deleted a series from the UC timeline before? Don't get me wrong, Victory has a LOT of problems, but there were one or two mecha that I think would be interesting to have/scratchbuild, if only to have alongside the Victory units.

[dizman]

10 minutes ago, captain america said:

Has Bandai ever really deleted a series from the UC timeline before? Don't get me wrong, Victory has a LOT of problems, but there were one or two mecha that I think would be interesting to have/scratchbuild, if only to have alongside the Victory units.

I don't think they ever officially deleted it but G Savior is pretty much no longer canon. I'm sure Bandai still holds the rights and still pumps out some of the old model kits from it every now and then but they rarely talk about it. I don't remember G Savior getting a blu ray release either now that I think about it.

Another late UC story to get the silent treatment was Gaia Gear which was written by Tomino in the late 80's and takes place around UC 200, that was written out of canon by G Savior so I'm not really sure where that series stands either. Gaia Gear did get a novel and a CD audio drama release in the early 90's but since then its been a dead franchise.

[captain america]

8 minutes ago, dizman said:

Another late UC story to get the silent treatment was Gaia Gear which was written by Tomino in the late 80's and takes place around UC 200, that was written out of canon by G Savior so I'm not really sure where that series stands either. Gaia Gear did get a novel and a CD audio drama release in the early 90's but since then its been a dead franchise.

See, now GaiaGear I'd pay to see as an OVA and buy lots of models from that series. Those designs were insanely beautiful and put many of the current Gundam designs to shame.

[dizman]

Yeah I'm with you on that. There's just something about the way Gaia Gear does bulky but agile mech design that really clicks with me.

Edited June 2, 2018 by dizman
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[electric indigo]

2 hours ago, captain america said:

See, now GaiaGear I'd pay to see as an OVA and buy lots of models from that series. Those designs were insanely beautiful and put many of the current Gundam designs to shame.

You know what to do after making kits of all the Mospeada and second tier Macross designs... 

[captain america]

1 hour ago, electric indigo said:

You know what to do after making kits of all the Mospeada and second tier Macross designs... 

I guess I do! 

I (and probably many others) had hoped that Bandai would seize on that no-brainer opportunity, but it looks like Captain America will have to intervene.

[Marzan]

 A bit late to the party, but I've finally come around to watching the Gundam Thunderbolt films... The quality...breathtaking. Wow. Why can't we have Macross like that?!!

[slide]

Just now, Marzan said:

 A bit late to the party, but I've finally come around to watching the Gundam Thunderbolt films... The quality...breathtaking. Wow. Why can't we have Macross like that?!!

'Cause Kids these days don't like Jazz....................................................

[Seto Kaiba]

4 hours ago, Marzan said:

 A bit late to the party, but I've finally come around to watching the Gundam Thunderbolt films... The quality...breathtaking. Wow. Why can't we have Macross like that?!!

We've had one already.  It was called Macross Plus, and it was f***ing awesome.

Arguably better than Thunderbolt, since it came without a walking edgelord meme for a protagonist.

[Beltane70]

I do remember there being a few garage kits for Gaia Gear back in the early 90’s. I had a friend look out for them in Japan way back when, but he never did find any. 

[Marzan]

17 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

We've had one already.  It was called Macross Plus, and it was f***ing awesome.

Arguably better than Thunderbolt, since it came without a walking edgelord meme for a protagonist.

i should have been more expansive in my post. Of course I meant to say in 2018! It's more of a minirant that while Satelight gives us Delta, Gundam is pumping out stuff like IBO and Thunderbolt.

And Macross Plus is not arguably better than Thunderbolt. It's much better all around. That is why I own it in 5 different presentations and watch it at least once a year.

 

[electric indigo]

4 hours ago, Beltane70 said:

I do remember there being a few garage kits for Gaia Gear back in the early 90’s. I had a friend look out for them in Japan way back when, but he never did find any. 

I remember them being pretty small and not really doing the original designs justice.

I saw a stunning illustration by Mamoru Ito in a How-to marker book back then without knowing it has anything to do with Gundam.

[kajnrig]

Having just finished G-Saviour, I can say with confidence that it is actually way more fun than the internet had led me to believe (and maybe more than it has any right to be). It starts out really dumb - the plot revolves around a newly-discovered enzyme that's supposed to solve world hunger by "catalyzing a bioluminescent reaction that produces both heat and light" in the Earth's oceans, allowing for deep-sea agriculture - and only gets dumber by the end - the action-packed finale only happens because of a jilted lover, and the bad guys die to a hammy "Nooooo~~!!!!" as their own troops mistakenly fire upon them - but it's the fun kind of dumb, the so bad it's good kind.

And I mean, y'know the CGI isn't all that bad for the budget and the time, and the mecha action wasn't half bad, and they managed to make the G-Saviour look, dare I say it... cool. And the actors give it their all, they buy into it 100%... That was a great time.

[Seto Kaiba]

7 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Having just finished G-Saviour, I can say with confidence that it is actually way more fun than the internet had led me to believe (and maybe more than it has any right to be).

If it's not an imposition, what all did you hear about G-Saviour from the online community before watching it?

I've only rarely seen G-Saviour lumped into the same category of celluloid cancer as the Star Wars Holiday Special.  Usually, fans tend to lump it in with other quickly-forgotten adaptations that were accidentally funny because they were campy as hell but tried to play themselves seriously like that 1994 Street Fighter movie or Starship Troopers.  I found watching the movie to be a lot like seeing someone's compilation of all the overacted live-action cutscenes in Command and Conquer.

[kajnrig]

29 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

If it's not an imposition, what all did you hear about G-Saviour from the online community before watching it?

Generally just that it's so bad as to be completely scrubbed and bleached from Bandai et al's collective memory.

There have been a few people here and there that have said it's on the so bad it's good tier, but otherwise the fandom seems dismissive and hostile towards it.

29 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Usually, fans tend to lump it in with other quickly-forgotten adaptations that were accidentally funny because they were campy as hell but tried to play themselves seriously like that 1994 Street Fighter movie or Starship Troopers.

The thing about those two is that fans LOVE them. Street Fighter fans LOVE the Van Damme movie despite/because of how bad it is. Starship Troopers fans LOVE the first movie despite/because of how absurdly it ramps up the militaristic jingoism. (And in the latter's case, I don't know if it tried to play itself "seriously" so much as, well, ramp up the militaristic jingoism. Paul Verhoeven is fantastic at satire that way.)

I don't know if this falls into either of those categories. I think, on the actors' side, that may have been the case; they may have been pulling a Street Fighter-level "just roll with it and have fun" mentality. But I suspect that the Japanese production side of things was approaching this very earnestly, very seriously, and with very serious intentions. They made it one of the tentpoles of their 20th(?) anniversary celebration of Gundam, after all. They were touting it as this revolutionary step forward for the franchise and for the entertainment industry prior to its release.

29 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

  I found watching the movie to be a lot like seeing someone's compilation of all the overacted live-action cutscenes in Command and Conquer.

That's actually a really apt comparison.

[Seto Kaiba]

10 minutes ago, kajnrig said:

Generally just that it's so bad as to be completely scrubbed and bleached from Bandai et al's collective memory.

I could kinda see that... admittedly not because it's not enjoyable in its own way, but because it's so wildly off-tone from the usual Universal Century War-Is-Hell depression-fest that it stands out like a live peacock in a police lineup of thanksgiving turkeys.

 

10 minutes ago, kajnrig said:

There have been a few people here and there that have said it's on the so bad it's good tier, but otherwise the fandom seems dismissive and hostile towards it.

As much as the Gundam franchise indulges in continuity porn via the Universal Century, I suspect a lot of that inclination to dismiss it stems from it having been decanonized.  The UC's obsession with continuity has reached the point that like half of what gets produced is side story material and they had at least one whole series devoted to continuity porn (Unicorn).  The fandom does lapse into an attitude that the UC is for SERIOUS BUSINESS and "fun" and "lighthearted" stuff should go be in a different timeline... like what happened to G-Reco.

 

10 minutes ago, kajnrig said:

That's actually a really apt comparison.

Which makes it all the more tragic that they didn't cast Tim Curry.

(His scenes in Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 were him chewing the scenery with such gusto that it rivals Raul Julia's hammy M. Bison from Street Fighter or his earlier performance in Rocky Horror.  "SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!")

[anime52k8]

These are just fan made clips but they're amazing and make me want to see G-Unit stuff. I <3 Gundam Aesculapius.

 

Edited July 16, 2018 by anime52k8

[kajnrig]

 

[Scyla]

I've been watching Gundam Build Divers lately and now I want a Metal Build AGEII Magnum. 

[dizman]

The AGE 2 was probably the best thing about Gundam AGE and the Magnum's slightly darker colors make it even better.

 

[dizman]

It's finally time, pre-orders are up for the G Gundam blu ray and the $150 special edition comes with a Tequila Gundam shot glass among other things.   G Gundam Rightstuf page

 

Edited August 12, 2018 by dizman

[dizman]

New trailer is up for Gundam NT, nice to see that the Dijeh is going to get a little more love though I thought they only built one.

 

Edited August 16, 2018 by dizman

[Big s]

I think the dijeh had a few variants, but that could have just been newer artist updates of the original.

[Seto Kaiba]

3 hours ago, Big s said:

I think the dijeh had a few variants, but that could have just been newer artist updates of the original.

Char had a custom Dijeh in The Return of Johnny Ridden, and Mobile Suit Moon Gundam had a Rick Dijeh... but that's about it for legitimate variants.  The rest is all MSV.

[kajnrig]

Just bumping to ask a quick question:

The Black Tri-Stars Zaku II has never been animated, right? It's officially an MSV?

I know the Zaku I shows up in Origin, and obviously there's the Dom. Did they "use" regular Zaku IIs that were later retconned to be High Mobility types, or were they always HM Zakus?

Thanks for any answers.

[tekering]

They've been animated before.  Check out this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5nMowEesrA

Edit: How the hell do you guys embed YouTube clips?

Edited September 4, 2018 by tekering

[no3Ljm]

1 hour ago, tekering said:

Edit: How the hell do you guys embed YouTube clips?

Hey Tekering. I'm not sure what's the correct workaround regarding YouTube link. But I remember this happened to me before. I'm guessing what happened is that I accidentally click this at the bottom of the compose box when I pasted the link.

After that everytime I posted images or YouTube links, it always shows as a link. And I think what I did is reset my browser cache and cookies. And after that, it works normal again and everytime that warning shows I disregard it. By the way, there's an old thread started by David a few years ago regarding pasting YouTube link.

Anyways, hope it works out. Let us know how that goes.

Here's the link you posted:

 

 

[kajnrig]

Thanks for the link tekering. Followup question then: Did the Tristars always use HM Zaku IIs, or was that retconned somewhere along the line from regular Zakus? (Also what's the source for that? The movies? A special celebration animation? Etc.)

[tekering]

9 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Did the Tristars always use HM Zaku IIs, or was that retconned somewhere along the line from regular Zakus? (Also what's the source for that? The movies? A special celebration animation? Etc.)

I believe that's from the Gundam PS2 game めぐりあい宇宙 (Meguri Ai Sora) from 2003.  They depict the original Zaku I Black Tri-Stars from the Battle of Loum, the Zaku IIs used at A Baoa Qu, and the Doms they used on Earth during their fateful encounter with the Gundam.

[dizman]

19 hours ago, kajnrig said:

Thanks for the link tekering. Followup question then: Did the Tristars always use HM Zaku IIs, or was that retconned somewhere along the line from regular Zakus? (Also what's the source for that? The movies? A special celebration animation? Etc.)

It wasn't really retconned that they use the R-1, it's more of an expanded universe thing where the explanation of the tri stars career came after the series was over. My best guess would be that when Okawara was designing the MSV line he figured it would be cool if they had suped up Zakus since the tri stars are all about speed, that was probably somewhere around 1983. 

[kajnrig]

Ah, I see. Thanks, that was some good (hardly useful, but always good ) trivia to find out.

[no3Ljm]

Mobile Suit Gundam 00 -Revival by Destruction- Re:Build (Stage Play?)
February 2019
http://www.gundam00.net/stage/

 

[tekering]

Geez, what an ugly group of girls.  

[kajnrig]

https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/09/21/netflix-adds-mobile-suit-gundam-uc/

Dunno if the article says, but I just checked Netflix and it's the OVA version.