Which Console? Part 2!

[David Hingtgen]

I still think Sony's game division should meet with their TV division, and make "the ultimate affordable HDTV for gamers". You know they could, and EVERYBODY would buy one. Just clearly advertise right on the box how every issue people talk about (lag, resolution, response, HDMI, 1080p) etc is taken care of and ready to hook up to any next-gen game system. They'd make tons of money. End all forum debate. But they obviously haven't thought of that, or it'd be out already and selling to 360 owners. Or at the very least, already announced for people now buying TV's for the PS3.

And one of the best ideas I saw proposed was to have a dedicated "480i with simulated scan-lines" mode, so we can play older systems lag-free and without looking godawful. If you've ever emulated anythng, you know adding in fake scan lines help a LOT when playing something 8 or 16bit on a high-res monitor.

Edited April 6, 2006 by David Hingtgen

[Gunbuster]

" affordable HDTV for gamers" that's funny but it will come in time

Edited April 6, 2006 by Gunbuster

[Ladic]

dug this from wikipedia, is it true?

On March 23, 2006, it was announced at the Game Developers Conference Conference in San Jose California that Nintendo will offer backwards compatibility of the Sega Genesis with the Nintendo Revolution home console

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

[Gaijin]

dug this from wikipedia, is it true?

On March 23, 2006, it was announced at the Game Developers Conference Conference in San Jose California that Nintendo will offer backwards compatibility of the Sega Genesis with the Nintendo Revolution home console

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

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Yes, along with Turbo games.

[Ladic]

Just to be sure, does that mean I can put Genesis Catridges in the Revolution or is that the downloading of games thing?

[Apollo Leader]

The games will be downloadable like NES, SNES, and N64 games. Besides Genesis and TuboGrafx games, Turboduo games will be included to.

[JB0]

It's not backwards-compatible with anything but the GameCube.

It has downloadable emualtors for the others.

The games will be downloadable like NES, SNES, and N64 games.  Besides Genesis and TuboGrafx games, Turboduo games will be included to.

388473[/snapback]

TurboCD would be more appropriate. Sayuing TurboDuo games is like calling SegaCD software CDX games.

[Black Valkyrie]

From Guntoa :

MS Gundam for Xbox 360

At the Xbox 360 Media Briefing, Bandai Namco showcased the upcoming FPS style Mobile Suit Gundam for Xbox 360. Player can play as Earth Federation or Zeon soldier, pilot tanks, planes and MS. Scenarios like invading enemy base, human vs MS, stealing enemy MS. The game will be compatible with Xbox Live. Game Watch has several screenshots of the game. The release date and price of the game were not announced.

[JB0]

From Guntoa : 

MS Gundam for Xbox 360  

At the Xbox 360 Media Briefing, Bandai Namco showcased the upcoming FPS style Mobile Suit Gundam for Xbox 360. Player can play as Earth Federation or Zeon soldier, pilot tanks, planes and MS. Scenarios like invading enemy base, human vs MS, stealing enemy MS. The game will be compatible with Xbox Live. Game Watch has several screenshots of the game. The release date and price of the game were not announced.

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Mech VS squishie... I love Bandai.

[JB0]

And as always, a game I must have shows up for a system I had very little interest in before.

"Microsoft announced they have partnered with tri-Ace to develop and exclusive RPG for Xbox 360, the game will be jointly developed by tri-Ace and Microsoft Game Studios."

[mikeszekely]

I think one of the biggest reasons to have not previously been interseted in the Xbox brand was a distinct lack of solid Japanese software. And while that's been true so far for the 360, I don't think it's going to be as bad as the original Xbox. They're working on a ton of games in Japan for the 360, including a number of exclusives. In addition to Gundam, Namco-Bandai is working on another mech game and an RPG, Microsoft is working with Tri-Ace on an RPG, Mistwalker's got Nintey-Nine Nights, Blue Dragon, and Lost Odyssey, and Square Enix announced that they're working on an an exclusive shooter, likely in the Silpheed series.

In a way, I think it's a very good thing. More Japanese support means more and better games for the 360. But, American developers are already in the habit of making their games available for ever console under the sun. With rising development costs, the more games you can sell, the better, so it makes sense to go multi-platform. A lot of these games could be 360 exclusive simply because the PS3 isn't ready yet. In the future, will Japanese games also wind up being multi-platform? If so, outside of a few key franchises, there's becoming less and less of a reason to pick one over the other.

I digress. It's hard to get excited for the PS3 yet, when the PS2 still has some kick-ass releases left, like Ace Combat Zero and God of War 2. Now if only Harmonix would release a sequel, hell, even an expansion, to Guitar Hero...

[Black Valkyrie]

At least MS should have made the X360 or the games all open region.

[chrono]

And as always, a game I must have shows up for a system I had very little interest in before.

"Microsoft announced they have partnered with tri-Ace to develop and exclusive RPG for Xbox 360, the game will be jointly developed by tri-Ace and Microsoft Game Studios."

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Funky. This is most definatly one of those situations where the games quality could go either way. I just hope that the game has something like a storyline. hehe.

I just hope that SOME console does a Macross game! And maybe a tank game(gotta have a tank game)... now a tank game would be pretty sweet with that new Nintendo controller.

[CoryHolmes]

And as always, a game I must have shows up for a system I had very little interest in before.

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Heh, that's what happened to me and Knights of the Old Republic. I ditched my PS2 for it and haven't looked back since I discovered the joy of Halo.

[mikeszekely]

At least MS should have made the X360 or the games all open region.

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I thought Microsoft left it up the publishers, and that some games were playable on other consoles. That is, to use DVDs for an analogy, the US 360 might be R1, but games could still be Region All. For example, the US Call of Duty 2 was playable on Japanese consoles. The publishers have been using the region coding because they're worried about losing sales in one territory if everyone imports it from another before it's release. But I actually think that going regionless will cut down on piracy. I mean, how many of use modded a system to import a game we really wanted, like the Macross PS2 game? And then afterward, stopped importing games and started downloading them off of bittorrent, or even started ripping and burning domestic games? I know I have a ton of burnt games now, but I never would have bothered had I not chipped my PS2 to play Macross and AEUG vs. Titans.

[David Hingtgen]

Driving through rural Iowa on the way home today I spotted a just-opened Super Walmart off the side of the highway.

Middle of nowhere+Super Walmart Grand Opening=360's instock! First one I've ever seen, and now it's mine.

[Apollo Leader]

Driving through rural Iowa on the way home today I spotted a just-opened Super Walmart off the side of the highway.

Middle of nowhere+Super Walmart Grand Opening=360's instock!  First one I've ever seen, and now it's mine. 

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Let me know when you're on Xbox Live and get Over G Fighters. If you get Blazing Angels, let me know (picked it up this week).

[Apollo Leader]

It's not backwards-compatible with anything but the GameCube.

It has downloadable emualtors for the others.

The games will be downloadable like NES, SNES, and N64 games.  Besides Genesis and TuboGrafx games, Turboduo games will be included to.

388473[/snapback]

TurboCD would be more appropriate. Sayuing TurboDuo games is like calling SegaCD software CDX games.

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Yeah, I forgot that the CD drive for the TurboGrafx/PC Engine started off as a separate attachment.

[mikeszekely]

My Gamestop has had some in stock all week, and the Best Buy across the street was advertising that they had some. I'd expect Xbox 360's to start to become more readily available.

[Apollo Leader]

From Guntoa : 

MS Gundam for Xbox 360   

At the Xbox 360 Media Briefing, Bandai Namco showcased the upcoming FPS style Mobile Suit Gundam for Xbox 360. Player can play as Earth Federation or Zeon soldier, pilot tanks, planes and MS. Scenarios like invading enemy base, human vs MS, stealing enemy MS. The game will be compatible with Xbox Live. Game Watch has several screenshots of the game. The release date and price of the game were not announced.

388492[/snapback]

Mech VS squishie... I love Bandai.

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Really hoping and praying that Bandai USA pulls through and releases this one here in the US. This looks like a great tie in to the 08th MS Team or the Dreamcast Rise From the Ashes game.

[Apollo Leader]

My Gamestop has had some in stock all week, and the Best Buy across the street was advertising that they had some.  I'd expect Xbox 360's to start to become more readily available.

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I've seen some Core systems recently, but I swear I have not seen a Premium set other then my own since November.

BTW, I believe we got a dedicted 360 thread.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...ic=16743&st=560

Edited April 7, 2006 by Apollo Leader

[JB0]

And as always, a game I must have shows up for a system I had very little interest in before.

"Microsoft announced they have partnered with tri-Ace to develop and exclusive RPG for Xbox 360, the game will be jointly developed by tri-Ace and Microsoft Game Studios."

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Funky. This is most definatly one of those situations where the games quality could go either way. I just hope that the game has something like a storyline. hehe.

I don't care about the plot, as long as tri-Ace maintains their usual fun factor in the gameplay.

I just hope that SOME console does a Macross game! And maybe a tank game(gotta have a tank game)... now a tank game would be pretty sweet with that new Nintendo controller. 

I'd like to see both Macross AND a tank game using a modernized variant of Sony's old Dual Analog joysticks.

...

And another Sandlot game. Their games are just too darn fun to not get the treatment.

[David Hingtgen]

Yes we do have a dedicated 360 thread, but I didn't feel the need to resurrect it for one little post from me. Mods performing thread necromancy=bad.

And every BestBuy around here looked like launch day with the big April 1/2 restock---people lined up, etc. I live in a college town, so like 60% of the population is 18-26. (grad students you know) They ALL want 360's, but we don't have nearly enough stores. We have the 360 demand of a city 10x our size, so there's NEVER any here. Kind of like how we had 2/3 of our theater screens showing SW Episode 3. They could easily accomodate our very atypical demographics for movies. But with the 360, having 10x the expected demand for a city our size can't really be helped.

Seriously, I had to hunt for DOA 4, and still don't have a plug and play kit. Not only is the 360 impossible to find, even accessories are wiped out. You can find a wood grain face plate, but that's about it.

Edited April 7, 2006 by David Hingtgen

[JB0]

Yes we do have a dedicated 360 thread, but I didn't feel the need to resurrect it for one little post from me.  Mods performing thread necromancy=bad. 

Awww, c'mon... Everyone knows you aren't a REAL mod until your first abuse of power.

Edited April 8, 2006 by JB0

[David Hingtgen]

Abusing my power would be to pin my VF-11 and YF-21 for sale threads to the top of every forum. Hint hint. Or would trade YF-21 for a 360 game now.

Anyways---I need a new TV. I just remembered I have no component inputs on my TV. And 360 cables cost a lot, and it'd be kinda pointless to spend $$ on composite 360 cables when $$$ would get me a whole new TV. So now I'm looking at buying a new old-school CRT 20in or 24in in the next 48 hours. A 24in with component would give me both a size and DVD pic-quality increase and should hold me over for a little while until nifty flat-screen HD sets are better/cheaper.

[David Hingtgen]

Never mind all that, I'm an idiot---I just now actually opened the box up, and the cables are NOT "Component" cables, they are "Component AND composite" cables. There's 2 distinct sets of outputs branching off the main cable.

Still thinking about a 24in though, that would be nice. Plus component is noticeably better. (I see almost no difference between composite and S-video, rarely worth it)

[JB0]

Really? I see a LOT of diffrence between composite and s-video.

Haven't done a proper s-video/RGB/component comparison. Largely because my systems lack standard outputs, and I don't really feel like blowing a hundred bucks on cables just to test.

[mikeszekely]

Really? I see a LOT of diffrence between composite and s-video.

Haven't done a proper s-video/RGB/component comparison. Largely because my systems lack standard outputs, and I don't really feel like blowing a hundred bucks on cables just to test.

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I'm with JB0. In fact, unless your source is HD, I see more of a difference going from composite to S-Video than from S-Video to component.

[David Hingtgen]

Hmmmn. FYI, my gaming TV doesn't have S-video either. So either way, I'll definitely get a better image with even a basic new CRT TV at this point. (I wanted S-video, but nowhere had the S-video version of my TV in stock, so I got the 99% similar model without S-video)

Anyways---my 360 has a build date of March 11th! Super-new.

Had to totally re-arrange all my cables and power packs to accomodate the power brick. It's the opposite of what I want--the wall-to-pack and pack-to-console cable lengths should be swapped. Also, I have the power pack laying on its side. It fits better, gets better circulation, and actually, exposes more surface area to the air.

[JB0]

Hmmmn.  FYI, my gaming TV doesn't have S-video either.  So either way, I'll definitely get a better image with even a basic new CRT TV at this point.  (I wanted S-video, but nowhere had the S-video version of my TV in stock, so I got the 99% similar model without S-video) 

Awww.

I got a 33" monitor free recently. Replaced an ancient composite-only TV(current gen stuff was on a 32" Sony in another room, so this also unified all my games on one screen).

Not really HD-suited(won't go past 800*600@60), but it's sharp(and I don't have anything HD-capable yet).

Got composite, s-video, and RGBHV, which should fill in for component in most cases.

Downside is I need to drag a VCR in here to return my Atari-era stuff to operation(I only really PLAY the 5200, but the Big Sexy justifies it).

Had to totally re-arrange all my cables and power packs to accomodate the power brick.  It's the opposite of what I want--the wall-to-pack and pack-to-console cable lengths should be swapped.  Also, I have the power pack laying on its side.  It fits better, gets better circulation, and actually, exposes more surface area to the air.

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I'm still baffled as to how they NEED that big of a brick. Their hardware team needs to be slapped.

Edited April 8, 2006 by JB0

[David Hingtgen]

I recently finally found some comparison pics for HD CRT's. (Same guy, same image, but on different TV's) Basically, IMHO, they are so not worth it if they are anything but a Sony with a super-fine tube. All those Samsung/Toshiba 30ish CRT HDTV's are vastly vastly inferior to a Sony XBR etc. But Sony stopped making them, and I think even the 30in one is still a grand. (the new Sony XBR has the XBR name only, and does not have the super-fine tube the XBR's are known for) So I think I'll pass on CRT HDTV's (unless I find one pretty cheap) and hope they make smaller plasma's in the future, or better LCD's.

Or maybe SED will come in, live up to all its promises and be so awesome that so many people buy them that prices drop quickly.

You know, PICS help with TV forum discussions a lot. Why do people never post them? Get your camera and photograph the screen---ends a lot of debates real fast.

[JB0]

I recently finally found some comparison pics for HD CRT's.  (Same guy, same image, but on different TV's) Basically, IMHO, they are so not worth it if they are anything but a Sony with a super-fine tube.  All those Samsung/Toshiba 30ish CRT HDTV's are vastly vastly inferior to a Sony XBR etc.  But Sony stopped making them, and I think even the 30in one is still a grand.  (the new Sony XBR has the XBR name only, and does not have the super-fine tube the XBR's are known for) So I think I'll pass on CRT HDTV's (unless I find one pretty cheap) and hope they make smaller plasma's in the future, or better LCD's. 

That's what I've heard.

Of course, a bad CRT is better than a bad LCD, just because it behaves exaftly like all TVs for the past 50 years. No resampling, persistance, artifacting, banding, just fuzz.

There's so much involved in an LCD that I'm incredibly cynical about them as a rule.

Or maybe SED will come in, live up to all its promises and be so awesome that so many people buy them that prices drop quickly. 

Maybe.

...

Or maybe someone will roll out the neural interface and we can quit converting electrical impulses into light so our eyes can convert them back into electrical impulses.

</tech-fetish>

Edited April 8, 2006 by JB0

[mikeszekely]

Out of curiousity, why not go bigger, David? I absolutely adore my 52" Toshiba DLP TV (although a lot of PS2 games don't look so hot on it, the original Xbox and Xbox 360 both look fantastic, and for awhile I was even using it for my computer monitor). In fact, the only HDTV I've seen that I like better are the Sony SXRDs. It'll be a long time before I need a new HDTV, but if I was going to buy one today, I'd probably go LCoS.

[David Hingtgen]

Because my gaming TV is my bedroom TV, and that means it sits at arm's length. A 52" TV would be greater than my own field of view at that range. It's also why I have so much trouble keeping 5 or 6 devices hooked up, there's only X amount of room between the bed, TV, and dresser. And I find viewing angle issues (specifically vertical changes in brightness) in almost all non-CRT screens. I am so incredibly picky about brightness changes due to angle you wouldn't believe it.

PS--currently leaning towards Sony KV24FS120. Non-HD TV shopping is easy now, there's so few from the good brands. It's the exact opposite of trying to buy an HDTV now. This one has 16:9 enhanced mode, which is rather rare but as I've said many times, a better widescreen DVD experience is very high on my want-list. The only other sub-27" with it is the Toshiba 24AF45, but I've seen LOTS of reports of that model having the "typical cheap TV buzz when on", which I can't stand, despite most people saying it has a better picture.

None have 2 component inputs though, I'd really like to have both 360 and DVD hooked up via it. 2 component inputs seems to require 27in or larger, or sheer luck of a particular year of production.

PS--my current TV is a 1999 Sony KV20S42 if anyone cares.

[Black Valkyrie]

Some of you may know this but it`s worth checking out :

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6147317.html