Aurel Tristen Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 I haven't been able to get that link to work. What's the homepage? Nanashi's Information Group http://www.macrossmecha.info/ Zjentohlauedy Variable Machine (from Macross Digital Mission VF-X/ Macross VF-X 2) http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...le_machine.html Thank you very much! I too wasn't able to get that link to work. Oops actually the link in question I think.... was this one: http://manuals.macrossmecha.org/vf1/history/index-old.html or http://manuals.macrossmecha.org/vf1/history/ Note that its not official anymore.... Quote
Agent ONE Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Please ignore the title of this thread. Studio Nue did not write the Development History of Battroid (Valkyrie Development History) in this book. It was written by Tatsuto Nagayama of General Products (a popular 1980s garage-kit company) using revised notes. Those are the reasons why it contradicts Studio Nue's own description of the Valkyrie's development, such as its assertion that the Valkyrie's mass production began in March 2009, after the Studio Nue's Macross launch date.http://www.anime.net/macross/production/print/general/ http://www.anime.net/macross/story/chronology/ Whoa.... this is interesting. I was mistaken about Tatsuto Nagayama I apologize. My misunderstanding. I would like to know which people, exactly make up Studio Nue besides Shoji Kawamori, Kazutaka Miyatake, Haruhiko Mikimoto, Kiyomi Tanaka and Masahiro Chiba.... LOL, I had a feeling this was bad information... Quote
Aurel Tristen Posted March 5, 2004 Author Posted March 5, 2004 Please ignore the title of this thread. Studio Nue did not write the Development History of Battroid (Valkyrie Development History) in this book. It was written by Tatsuto Nagayama of General Products (a popular 1980s garage-kit company) using revised notes. Those are the reasons why it contradicts Studio Nue's own description of the Valkyrie's development, such as its assertion that the Valkyrie's mass production began in March 2009, after the Studio Nue's Macross launch date.http://www.anime.net/macross/production/print/general/ http://www.anime.net/macross/story/chronology/ Whoa.... this is interesting. I was mistaken about Tatsuto Nagayama I apologize. My misunderstanding. I would like to know which people, exactly make up Studio Nue besides Shoji Kawamori, Kazutaka Miyatake, Haruhiko Mikimoto, Kiyomi Tanaka and Masahiro Chiba.... LOL, I had a feeling this was bad information... Well, It was good information until Egan Loo took it off of his site sometime ago.... along with the MAT specs etc. I guess after discussing it with Kawamori is when he took it down. Quote
Shawn Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 ok-so its not canon but its still a fun read! There is a serious lack of stories about the VF-1 development history in Japanese. And how many translated into english??? The MAT books and the Hobby Handbook are good enough for me-its very entertaining stuff. But then again I couldn't quote you a asingle statistical reference about anything in Macross if my life depended on it. Well other than the Strike Valkyrie has 2 cannons...LOL That counts, right? Thanks for the work WJ! And welcome back Egan!! Good to hear you are doing better S Quote
EganLoo Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 ok-so its not canonbut its still a fun read! There is a serious lack of stories about the VF-1 development history in Japanese. And how many translated into english??? The MAT books and the Hobby Handbook are good enough for me-its very entertaining stuff. But then again I couldn't quote you a asingle statistical reference about anything in Macross if my life depended on it. Well other than the Strike Valkyrie has 2 cannons...LOL That counts, right? Yep, there is nothing inherently wrong (and a lot that is fun and enjoyable) with unofficial ideas and fan speculation -- after all, Shoji Kawamori and Haruhiko Mikimoto used to draw and write unofficial Gundam doujinshi long before they worked on Macross (or official Gundam for that matter). The problem lies in stating inaccurate and unofficial speculation as official information, as well as in mixing the two without clearly defining which is which. Worse is using inaccurate or unofficial fan speculation to knock other people's work as inaccurate. Both only adds to the confusion instead of enriching the experience. (Knocking official information by citing fan speculation is strange enough. Knocking RPG and other fan sites as "inaccurate" speculation by citing, well, inaccurate speculation is even stranger.) In short, the key is distinguishing the official from the unofficial, as well as the accurate from the inaccurate. (And to not claim copyrights without permission, something even Kawamori and Mikimoto didn't do when they were speculating on Gundam in the good old pre-Macross days. Quote
EganLoo Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 (edited) Please ignore the title of this thread. Studio Nue did not write the Development History of Battroid (Valkyrie Development History) in this book. It was written by Tatsuto Nagayama of General Products (a popular 1980s garage-kit company) using revised notes. Those are the reasons why it contradicts Studio Nue's own description of the Valkyrie's development, such as its assertion that the Valkyrie's mass production began in March 2009, after the Studio Nue's Macross launch date.http://www.anime.net/macross/production/print/general/ http://www.anime.net/macross/story/chronology/ Whoa.... this is interesting. I was mistaken about Tatsuto Nagayama I apologize. My misunderstanding. I would like to know which people, exactly make up Studio Nue besides Shoji Kawamori, Kazutaka Miyatake, Haruhiko Mikimoto, Kiyomi Tanaka and Masahiro Chiba.... LOL, I had a feeling this was bad information... Well, It was good information until Egan Loo took it off of his site sometime ago.... along with the MAT specs etc. I guess after discussing it with Kawamori is when he took it down. Tatsuto Nakyama's Development History of Battroid (Valkyrie Development History) was never on the Macross Compendium. You might be confusing some of the rare points that happen to coinicide in both Studio Nue's notes and Nakayama's version. Likewise, unofficial data by MAT was never listed as "good" official information in the Macross Compendium. In fact, the opposite is true. For example, a reader had wanted to know about information about two ships that had not been approved by Studio Nue. That information was specficially separated from the "good" official information, and demonstrated where it contradicted or differed from the official information. (Starting last year, reader questions about official and unofficial data are now answered in the Feedback section.) Edited June 22, 2004 by EganLoo Quote
EganLoo Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 It seems to me that Nanashi does have real sources for all his material, it's simply a matter of discerning what's cannon and what's not, and a little polishing of the translations. I think we should be encouraging Nanashi and Egan to work together, since even the non-cannon material is often very interesting, and Nanashi has shown he does like to translate those and mark them as non-cannon references. Such as some of the videogame mecha. There are three major roadblocks: 1. Separating the official from the unofficial For many, the official material is confusing enough already. That is why it's valuable to not mix the two. It doesn't help to claim something is written by Studio Nue when it is clearly written as not, or to claim something is official when it is clearly noted in print as unofficial. (Incidentally, there is a distinct difference between content that is "unofficial" or "parallel world" *within* the official Macross universe, and content that is unofficial in the real world, period. The VF-17 Nightmare's nickname "Stealth Valkyrie" is unofficial *within* the official Macross universe. Macross II is a parallel world *within* the official Macross universe. However, the Macross Attack Team's doujinshi is just unofficial in the real world, period. Is this confusing? That's just one more reason not to mix the two. 2. Permissions I've been given permission to create the Macross Compendium site, but not permission to work on other sites. Non-infringing content such as answering questions is fine -- and anything else that wouldn't rub the creators the wrong way (like adapting someone else's work without permission and then claiming a copyright notice would). After all, I would still like to chat with the creators from time to time. 3. Accuracy Maintaining accuracy on the Macross Compendium is work already, but maintaining accuracy on two very different sites is Herculean. This is especially true if the other site in question has not been maintaining accuracy and avoiding speculation to begin with. If the posts on this forum are any indication, it is going to take retranslations and rewriting, not mere polishing. I would love to work on unofficial fan speculation on my own free time -- but the Macross Compendium keeps me busy already. Quote
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 (edited) Argh! <--me after having read days worth of text about all the alternate dimensions that don't exist. *Awakens from the matrix* It was traumatic enough to discover the fake robotech universe was not real, but now there are faked timelines too. *Bangs head on desk* Edited June 22, 2004 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote
eugimon Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 heh... this is a good read... it started off as as round number uhm... 20? of the old what came first the 0 or 1 debate and now it's all about what sources... ahh.... Quote
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