In anticipation of KILL BILL Volume 1 & 2.

[EXO]

What you expect from Tarantino... Or is it what you bought into the overall media, the hype, and shallow expectations dictated by the media of what a Tarantino film should be? Yeah, their were lots of flaws as a martial arts film but I've seen plenty otehrs as well in 99% of American made films anyways. In fact this was much better than 99% of films made today with all for it's shortcomings. Definately better than Hellboy or the predictable Punisher. It wasn't long ago people were laughing when they heard Keanu Reeves was taking martial arts for a film and he was still ridiculed after that filmw as released (ya know that little movie about a guy in virtual world called the Matrix). Now Uma's not good enough on the screen. Damn, I'd sure like to see you anime watching, couch potatoe boys do better in some real training!

That argument can go either way... I can say people are more forgiving on the film because it was a Tarantino film. The only thing I expected from Tarantino was a good movie, and while I enjoyed many aspects of the film I didn't walk away satisfied enough to call it a good film.

And yes that was a perfect analogy of Superman, one that I already realized about the whole Batman/Superman polarity. It was one of the things I did have fun seeing on screen.

I truly believe that a movie like this should have great martial fights as the meat of the story, because if that fails to convince me, then the rest of it falls apart, IMHO.

I can't wait for that Jet Li movie though... excellent trailer.

[bsu legato]

Caught a matinee of Vol. 2 this afternoon, and I have to say I enjoyed it quite a bit more than Vol. 1. My only gripes are:

1) That Mexican pimp guy was pretty pointless. Shoulda left him on the cutting room floor

2) Bills demise was pretty easy to predict, IMHO.

Otherwise, it was all good. And just where was Michael Jai White, anyhow? I wonder where he was supposed to fit into the story.

[Anubis]

Saw it tonight. I loved it. I liked Bill was telling Budd "You hocked....a Hottori Hanzo sword" also how he explained the Crazy 88 "wasn't really 88 guys she went through" "Why crazy 88 then" "maybe they thought it sounded cool" good stuff.

I had a feeling the exploding heart technique would have some further mention later after Bills campfire story. Should have guessed what though.

I got the Superman analogy fine. He was just trying to see wether Bride really though she could pull off being Ms. Mom working at the record store.

"You... overreacted?!?"

I loved it. Tarantino outdid himself with Kill Bill. The quality of fights in Vol. 1 was better than 2 in my book but it's true that wasn't that main focus this time. Bill's performance was very good though. He was a bastard, but he was a cool bastard at the same time.

Anyone else notice, as they were doing the cast in the end credits, thecrazy 88 fight was in color, except for a piece with Johnny against the Bride.

I also liked how they introduced her name. After it finally got out without being bleeped, it went to a grade school class with the teacher calling the name and then showed Uma at one of the small desks wearing pigtails raising her hand. Funny.

Edited April 18, 2004 by Anubis

[Anubis]

Caught a matinee of Vol. 2 this afternoon, and I have to say I enjoyed it quite a bit more than Vol. 1. My only gripes are:

1) That Mexican pimp guy was pretty pointless. Shoulda left him on the cutting room floor

2) Bills demise was pretty easy to predict, IMHO.

Otherwise, it was all good. And just where was Michael Jai White, anyhow? I wonder where he was supposed to fit into the story.

I do have to agree on the Mexican pimp part though. That could have been left out.

What was Michael Jai White supposed to do in there?

[Jemstone]

If by this you mean "I saw all his previous films and fell in love with his kitchy writing and directing style and was dissapointed that those elements were not really seen so promenantly in Kill Bill" then yes I am guilty.

If it means anything I qualify with my cop friends every year they take the SLCP police department physicals... they sort of let me do it while they qualify, I do it just to have fun and hang out with them... the shooting accuracy is my favorite. I admit that crazy ass jujitsu and chop-socky are well beyond my abilities and I'd like to think that people can critisize the appearance of it without being able to do it themselves. Look at olympic judges... how many of them are ex-ice skaters or ex-gymnists? Very very few. And on topic how many movie critics or people with opinions on movies have actually made movies? My guess is about the same number. I myself work in an industry right now where my company has made a few TV commercials and animatics (which by no means make me a guru or specialist) but I know what I like. I was not that fond of Kill Bill. My opinion is based on my personal experience and feelings just as yours is and that opinion is just as valid as yours in this situation. I did not like it that much whereas you liked it.

I think my presence here is just pissing people off as it appears once again I can't "not like" something that everyone likes on this board. I'll just take my lunch to go then and back out of the bar slowly lest I get shot in the back running away.

Don't be a ridiculous baby full of sour grapes, Jason. Your presence is not what pisses me off. You're like a tiny tack in the middle of a pile of tacks pricking my finger as I shuffle through the pile regarding this issue. You're just one person of many I've heard complaining about elements in previous films lacking in this one. I don't like this film because it was made by Tarantino either. Of his past movies the only one I really liked was Jackie Brown and I thought PF was terribly overrated. So I suppose I had an advantage here by not expecting "too much" when I learned more of the upcoming KB films 15 months ago. I was not looking for a masterpiece. Just looking to be entertained and I was.

mechamaniac said:

However, being a long time student of the sword, most of the swordplay was pure crap. Some of the stuff she did was OK, and I think they tried to stay somewhat true to actual practices, but the bottom line is that when you're staging a 1 on 88 fight scene, all that pretty much goes out the window....

Maybe I'm forgiving of Uma's "crapass swordplay" because I'm a long time practicioner of kendo (a total of 7 years tho quite sporadic in training) an I have to say it's hard. It's really F'n hard. Especially if you're a female who lacks the upper body strength needed to perfom certain disciplines. While I've had a whole decade to train and adapt, Ms Thurman did not. So I can appreciate the effort she put into it without taking that aspect for granted!

I didn't need you to add that tidbit of your training and interest in Japanese culture because for the most part, all of us here have the same interests. Plus the fact you've mentioned your training before. Still, that won't sway me to believe you actually appreciated the effort she put forth into the film.

Edited April 18, 2004 by Jemstone

[Vinny]

Saw it yesterday. I was proven wrong! After seeing the first Kill Bill, I didn't think I could see anything queerer, but the second one proved me wrong!

[JsARCLIGHT]

Don't be a ridiculous baby full of sour grapes, Jason. Your presence is not what pisses me off. You're like a tiny tack in the middle of a pile of tacks pricking my finger as I shuffle through the pile regarding this issue. You're just one person of many I've heard complaining about elements in previous films lacking in this one. I don't like this film because it was made by Tarantino either. Of his past movies the only one I really liked was Jackie Brown and I thought PF was terribly overrated. So I suppose I had an advantage here by not expecting "too much" when I learned more of the upcoming KB films 15 months ago. I was not looking for a masterpiece. Just looking to be entertained and I was.

I tend to choose flight rather than fight on message boards and by the tone of your first post and your choice of words I was preparing for a lot of negativie energy to be thrown my way, as well as to a few other people. I'm not really full of "sour grapes", I was just predicting the tyical MW backlash of "you don't like what I like so you die joe" that tends to happen around these parts. Some people just can't take criticism of their favorite things and suddenly the thread devolves into "well if you think it's stupid then you must be stupid too" shenanigans.

I'm actually planning to go see part 2 tonight... without the fiancee as she told me "under no circomstances will I see more of that movie". She was also very put off by all the blood in the first one. So I guess then the second part will be the lynch pin that either solidifies my distaste of this movie or it could turn my opinion around.

[Mechamaniac]

mechamaniac said:

However, being a long time student of the sword, most of the swordplay was pure crap. Some of the stuff she did was OK, and I think they tried to stay somewhat true to actual practices, but the bottom line is that when you're staging a 1 on 88 fight scene, all that pretty much goes out the window....

Maybe I'm forgiving of Uma's "crapass swordplay" because I'm a long time practicioner of kendo (a total of 7 years tho quite sporadic in training) an I have to say it's hard. It's really F'n hard. Especially if you're a female who lacks the upper body strength needed to perfom certain disciplines. While I've had a whole decade to train and adapt, Ms Thurman did not. So I can appreciate the effort she put into it without taking that aspect for granted!

I didn't need you to add that tidbit of your training and interest in Japanese culture because for the most part, all of us here have the same interests. Plus the fact you've mentioned your training before. Still, that won't sway me to believe you actually appreciated the effort she put forth into the film.

Oh, I think you got me wrong...Being my first post in this thread, mine was more aimed at hitting what I saw as the prevalent points that had been presented up until that point, not to dispute anything anyone had said directly.

As to the appreciation issue... I am not a fan of UMA by any measure, she's OK and all, but IMHO people worship her much like they do Tarantino's every nugget. She's a good actress and all, but taken on the whole, I don't really see what all the hype is about regarding UMA. Also, I'm not a foot fetishist or anything, but to quote Eddie Murphy in Boomerang "Her feet were whack!" and there were entirely too many feet (no pun intended) of film wasted on showing her ugly ass feet.

I do however, appreciate whatever she may have done to prepare for the film, and it is ultimately not her fault that the end result was a totally unrealistic fight scene. But, I appreciated the movie nevertheless. Yes, the fight scenes were WAY over the top, but that is what Q&U were going for, so it's OK in my book.

Even though the fights were not realistic, I still liked the elements they put into place, the swordmaker, his oath to no longer make killing weapons, the training he emphasized to the Bride etc, and yes, some of what she did was textbook, but as I said, you can't really expect pure iajutsu or kenjutsu when the premise of the fight is so unbelievable to begin with.

Edited April 18, 2004 by Mechamaniac

[isamu]

And just where was Michael Jai White, anyhow? I wonder where he was supposed to fit into the story.

QT went on record saying he cut Michael's scene because he was sick of having black men in his movies. I don't blame him.

[Jemstone]

I tend to choose flight rather than fight on message boards and by the tone of your first post and your choice of words I was preparing for a lot of negativie energy to be thrown my way, as well as to a few other people. I'm not really full of "sour grapes", I was just predicting the tyical MW backlash of "you don't like what I like so you die joe" that tends to happen around these parts. Some people just can't take criticism of their favorite things and suddenly the thread devolves into "well if you  think it's stupid then you must be stupid too" shenanigans.

I'm actually planning to go see part 2 tonight... without the fiancee as she told me "under no circomstances will I see more of that movie". She was also very put off by all the blood in the first one. So I guess then the second part will be the lynch pin that either solidifies my distaste of this movie or it could turn my opinion around.

Well, I'm not the type to think "people suck" just because they don't agree with me. I'm actually a bit offended you could think me as one of those kind of people. I enjoy life better when people don't agree with me and respect my opinion than those who would say they do just to avoid any kind of confrontation. Those are the people I think "suck" for not voicing their own opinions.

I think you may enjoy this film as it's very different from the first. Lots of dialogue expanding the characters and the story and only "some blood' in the fight with Elle.

As to the appreciation issue... I am not a fan of UMA by any measure, she's OK and all, but IMHO people worship her much like they do Tarantino's every nugget. She's a good actress and all, but taken on the whole, I don't really see what all the hype is about regarding UMA. Also, I'm not a foot fetishist or anything, but to quote Eddie Murphy in Boomerang "Her feet were whack!" and there were entirely too many feet (no pun intended) of film wasted on showing her ugly ass feet.

I do however, appreciate whatever she may have done to prepare for the film, and it is ultimately not her fault that the end result was a totally unrealistic fight scene. But, I appreciated the movie nevertheless. Yes, the fight scenes were WAY over the top, but that is what Q&U were going for, so it's OK in my book.

Mech, I guess I must have been sleeping under a rock because I haven't witnessed anybody worshipping her. Aside from Tape and Kill Bill I don't recall any film I've seen her in and liked it enough to remember it (PF doesn't count as it's undeserving of it's status). I was never expecting realistic fight sequences. That's really hard to do when the director had the intention of paying homage to and mocking alot of previous movies with very unrealistic sequences (Fist of the North Star). Otherwise, I think we are in agreement.

Edited April 18, 2004 by Jemstone

[Max Jenius]

yes, some of what she did was textbook, but as I said, you can't really expect pure iajutsu or kenjutsu when the premise of the fight is so unbelievable to begin with.

Who says I can't? Its not like they all bum-rushed her.

I dunno, I'm not really a big fan of Uma. Maybe Carrie Ann Moss would have been a better choice w/ her upper body strumph and all. Though I would be scared of Jemstone running at me w/ a sword (whether it was dragging on the ground or not )

I just can't say I really liked any aspect of the movie, but if the fights were better it probably would have saved it.

I mean "paying homage" to something that everyone says is for the most part shitty usually doesn't bode well. A painting of a piece of crap is still a vision of a piece of crap.

But like I said before I'm not one of the people that 'get' this movie and it makes me sad.

[JsARCLIGHT]

Well, I'm not the type to think "people suck" just because they don't agree with me. I'm actually a bit offended you could think me as one of those kind of people. I enjoy life better when people don't agree with me and respect my opinion than those who would say they do just to avoid any kind of confrontation. Those are the people I think "suck" for not voicing their own opinions.

Well, out of the gate you came at folks (me included) with some rather harshly worded things. I feel that you can agree to disagree like almost everyone else in this thread has been doing in polite ways without reverting to tactics like "Or is it what you bought into the overall media, the hype, and shallow expectations dictated by the media of what a Tarantino film should be?". To be honest, you added nothing to the debate that was going on other than to slap us around a bit for not liking the movie you liked. I felt the unwritten subtext of most of your first post was: You guys are too stupid to know a good movie from bad one. You didn't offer any points of contention we could respond to in any meaningfull way other than your questioning our "haus factor". In my eyes a good deal of your post came off hostile, you may not have intended it to but it came off that way. Personally I enjoy debate but when I pick up on hints of harsh emotion in folk's posts I tend to back off so the situation does not degrade into one of "you suck, no you suck more". I know that everyone who posts says "my posts have no emotion and I am only stating facts/opinions" but some people (like me) pick up on things that you may not have intended in the way sentences and words are used. I chose not to continue the debate fearing an escallation. My thoughts of your reaction were based on the tone and verbage of your post, not on my knowledge of you as a person as to be honest I am not too familiar with you to know if you are joking, being "yourself" or if you really wanted to cave my head in with a phone pole. I apologize if you think I pidgeonholed or belittled you by my reaction but it was a gut reaction to what I saw in front of me rather than a "oh I know her and I know what she really means" sort of thing.

Getting back to the topic at hand...

I think you may enjoy this film as it's very different from the first. Lots of dialogue expanding the characters and the story and only "some blood' in the fight with Elle.

I just called and bought my ticket for the 7:30 show so I'll let you all know how I feel in about 3 hours or so.

[JKeats]

Saw Vol. 2 on Friday with the girlfriend, who was disappointed that there weren't any more kickass asian ladies, as in Vol. 1.

Vol. 2 was different, but just as good as Vol. 1, but I have to say that comparing both is comparing apples and oranges. Vol. 1 was all over the top style over substance, gore/blood/crazy/impossible fights while Vol. 2 was simply a story. The fight scenes in Vol. 2, while great, are mostly short and I think this is done on purpose.

I thought Tarantino made a great film and the part I liked best was Michael Madsen's story.

[Jemstone]

Well, out of the gate you came at folks (me included) with some rather harshly worded things. I feel that you can agree to disagree like almost everyone else in this thread has been doing in polite ways without reverting to tactics like "Or is it what you bought into the overall media, the hype, and shallow expectations dictated by the media of what a Tarantino film should be?". To be honest, you added nothing to the debate that was going on other than to slap us around a bit for not liking the movie you liked. I felt the unwritten subtext of most of your first post was: You guys are too stupid to know a good movie from bad one. You didn't offer any points of contention we could respond to in any meaningfull way other than your questioning our "haus factor". In my eyes a good deal of your post came off hostile, you may not have intended it to but it came off that way. Personally I enjoy debate but when I pick up on hints of harsh emotion in folk's posts I tend to back off so the situation does not degrade into one of "you suck, no you suck more". I know that everyone who posts says "my posts have no emotion and I am only stating facts/opinions" but some people (like me) pick up on things that you may not have intended in the way sentences and words are used. I chose not to continue the debate fearing an escallation. My thoughts of your reaction were based on the tone and verbage of your post, not on my knowledge of you as a person as to be honest I am not too familiar with you to know if you are joking, being "yourself" or if you really wanted to cave my head in with a phone pole. I apologize if you think I pidgeonholed or belittled you by my reaction but it was a gut reaction to what I saw in front of me rather than a "oh I know her and I know what she really means" sort of thing.

My goodness. You'd think that after all this time if I thought you as:"You guys are too stupid to know a good movie from bad one." I would have said all that as by now one would think you know I'm very blunt and frank and have NO trouble telling you or anybody else on here exactly what I think. I do wonder if some of you had your own open minded expectations or really just were giving into the media hype (which we all know hype tends raise expectations for no reason). I guess what should have just asked is why on earth do people always give into the media hype and only the hype without the single possible thought a movie just may suck no matter who directs it. Remember the days when John Carpenter was all the rage?

Then there are those who talk about they could not picture Uma as a swordsman because she had sort of a Barbie prissy girl image to them (and it's not just here at MW). So ia sked if they could do better if they want perfect so badly. Or even realism. Ya know I don't believe Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was at all realistic but the American audiences and critics embraced it while foreign audiences and critics weren't so kind. I also wonder why that is.

And ya know what... It DOES get very irritating after a while of reading the same complaints over and over again which have to do more with the weird looking director's past style than the actual merits of the film itself. So I'll apologize for being a bit harsh. Again if I was thinking you guys sucked then I would have told you in those very same words.

[JsARCLIGHT]

Ahh, sweet understanding.

Anyway, I just got back from the Theater and have this to say about KB part 2:

SPLITTING THIS MOVIE IN TWO WAS A BAD IDEA.

I disliked the first part because it really, really, really needs the strength of the second part to carry it IMHO. I am very glad I went to see part 2 and give it a chance as it adds some of the things I was hoping to see in the movie back in. I can now admit that my dislike of the first part was not so much a dislike of the "new, different" Tarantino... but all the blood is still a putoff... but rather I think now I disliked it so much because the whole movie was there. It was just part of the movie. My brain was operating under the logic that "they released it as two movies so it must have the stuff it needs to stand on it's own two feet as a movie". Couple that with my expectations of seeing "Tarantino Kitch" and it was a complete letdown. But now after seeing part 2 so soon after seeing part 1 on DVD the whole thing sort of "geled" into more of what I had in mind. I do still think that the second part could have benefited from some more witty dialogue but you can now get a better view of why it is not present. Plus, seeing this in a theater the dialogue was a bit more hearable and the lack of top-heavy spoken japanese with no subtitles let me get into the movie a lot more. I know we are all at this site because we watch japanese cartoons but I'm one of those people who is not fond of spoken japanese and understands very little of it even with my years of anime watching... I even have a hard time picking out the english words mixed into the japanese lines. Anyway...

Kill Bill is still not my favorite Tarantino movie but it has somewhat redeemed itself in my eyes.

[Jolly Rogers]

So you're gonna drag your girl back to complete her experience?

[JsARCLIGHT]

So you're gonna drag your girl back to complete her experience?

ooooooooooh no.

She has this little issue with all the blood in the first one and she has no wish to be involved with the next part... even if I tell her it is nowhere near as bloody. She used to be up for a lot of movies like that but since she got back she is not too keen on bloody movies for good reason.

[Agent ONE]

You guys write too much... It gives me a headache to read.

I guess if you aren't a sword fighting critic, the movie kicked ass.

[Graham]

Argghhhhh.....still havent seen part 2 yet. It doesn't open in HK until April 29th

Are there any black and white bits this time or not?

Graham

[Golden Arms]

Yes there are still a few black and white scenes in vol 2

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

None of the girls I know liked this movie.

All the guys loved it.

Probably cos the chicks don't see all the anime and kung-fu parodies and cliches. Oh, and the blood fest.

[Anubis]

Argghhhhh.....still havent seen part 2 yet. It doesn't open in HK until April 29th

Are there any black and white bits this time or not?

Graham

The part inside the Church is all in Black and White. Couple of flashbacks too.

[Graham]

Oh well, hopefully, the HK & Japan theatrical release will be 100% color like vol.1.

Graham

[Agent ONE]

None of the girls I know liked this movie.

All the guys loved it.

Probably cos the chicks don't see all the anime and kung-fu parodies and cliches. Oh, and the blood fest.

My GF loved it... She said it was one of the best movies she has seen in a year... She hates violent movies too.

She discribes KB as a "feel good" movie.

[Agent ONE]

Oh well, hopefully, the HK & Japan theatrical release will be 100% color like vol.1.

Graham

They weren't black and white to cover up blood, they were balck and white (which was more like brown and white) to add dramatic effect.

[Ladic]

Oh well, hopefully, the HK & Japan theatrical release will be 100% color like vol.1.

Graham

you make is sound like b&w is bad?

[Graham]

Oh well, hopefully, the HK & Japan theatrical release will be 100% color like vol.1.

Graham

you make is sound like b&w is bad?

Personally, I think having the fight against the Crazy 88s in full color is far superior to the black and white version.

Maybe it's just because I saw the full color part 1 first and saw it on the big screen. Or maybe it's just because I hate needless censorship.

Anyway, I didn't see the neutered black and white version until last week when I watched it on DVD at home. Actually, I couldn't bear to watch it, I switched it off and the next day gave the DVD to a friend.

Luckily my Japan R2 DVD of part one just arrived today, so I will once more be able to watch it in full color.

Graham

[UN Spacy]

They weren't black and white to cover up blood, they were balck and white (which was more like brown and white) to add dramatic effect.

Much like Schindler's List.....I think the black and white definitely changed the feel of the movie. But since this isn't a historical type of movie I would have prefered they kept the scene in color.

I also heard during the release of Vol. 1 that it was a movie rating issue. QT had to tone down the blood or else the movie might have recieved a NC-17.

[Graham]

Yep, it was done purely to get a lower rating.

I don't mind B&W if the whole movie is in B&W, but to change just a small part of a movie to B&W for censorship reasons is just crass stupidity on the part of the censors IMO.

Graham

[Blaine23]

None of the girls I know liked this movie.

All the guys loved it.

Probably cos the chicks don't see all the anime and kung-fu parodies and cliches. Oh, and the blood fest.

My GF loved it... She said it was one of the best movies she has seen in a year... She hates violent movies too.

She discribes KB as a "feel good" movie.

Weird, but same here. As I mentioned earlier, my GF bought the DVD (which is pretty rare for her) then bought the tickets to KB2 and we watched KB1 again, then left for the theater for part 2.

My impression? Again, I've been impressed with QT all along, but once I saw these movies back to back, I'm even more into it. I can see why some people either don't like or are critical, but I was totally sold on both movies throughout.

As for the B&W bits... I had no idea originally that it was done for censorship purposes. With Quentin's visual style, I found the switch to B&W to be a pretty cool visual effect, just like the change into that 70's HK style lens during the Pai Mei flashback. It looked and felt like every movie I watched on Saturday Kung Fu theater and it works for the movie to me.

Personally, now I'm even more stoked to see the full DVD set when it arrives. My GF says it's now her two favorite movies, but then again she still loves musicals and Cary Grant films. Very weird.

[Jemstone]

ooooooooooh no.

She has this little issue with all the blood in the first one and she has no wish to be involved with the next part... even if I tell her it is nowhere near as bloody. She used to be up for a lot of movies like that but since she got back she is not too keen on bloody movies for good reason.

See. That's a typical soldier's life for you. Perspectives tend to change after working with those who have been involved in actual combat (except in my case because I'm fascinated with my own mortality and others). Glad you enjoyed the second film.

Graham's right about the colored fght. After you see it you'll never want to see it in black and white again.

blain said:

Personally, now I'm even more stoked to see the full DVD set when it arrives. My GF says it's now her two favorite movies, but then again she still loves musicals and Cary Grant films. Very weird.

That's not weird. I love violent films but I also have a big soft spot for movies like the Sound of Music and Disney's butchered version of The Little Mermaid. Your GF, A1's GF and I aren't weird. Just "cultured" enough to appreciate a variety of things. Edited April 19, 2004 by Jemstone

[VF-19]

Yep, it was done purely to get a lower rating.

I don't mind B&W if the whole movie is in B&W, but to change just a small part of a movie to B&W for censorship reasons is just crass stupidity on the part of the censors IMO.

Graham

While it is censorship (sort of), I kinda feel that it works as an homage to the old BW samurai movies. But as censorship, I think it's redundant. I can see the action, and I can figure it out that the Crazy 88 are being chopped to bits, and it isn't chocolate sauce that's spewing out of the wounds. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing the fight sequence in full bloody gory colour.

[Jawjaw]

The B&W part didn't bother me and didn't come off as a censor type of thing. It was no different than having that one part animated IMO. However, I can understand that if you saw if in color first, the B&W version would come off as annoying.

I have not seen KB2 yet but from what I hear, it does sound like it should of been kept one movie. Personally, I hate the whole idea that a movie has to be 90 minutes long.

[VF-19]

The B&W part didn't bother me and didn't come off as a censor type of thing. It was no different than having that one part animated IMO. However, I can understand that if you saw if in color first, the B&W version would come off as annoying.

I have not seen KB2 yet but from what I hear, it does sound like it should of been kept one movie. Personally, I hate the whole idea that a movie has to be 90 minutes long.

Me too, but the reason for making movies 1.5-2.5 hours long is money. Theaters can show a movie more times per day if it's about 2 hours long.

In India, films are regularly 3-4 hours long. Their reasoning is to give the people their money's worth. Going to see a film in India cost about 8 month's salary, and that's just for one person.

But!

I think it wasn't a bad idea to split Kill Bill up into two parts. The film still worked.

[Zentrandude]

ill proly be the only one not watching kill bill vol2. i didnt like the first one enough it was too boring for my taste.