JB0 Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 ...I will say that the topic would have remained opened longer if anyone other than you had started to criticize M7... 367919[/snapback] Yep, the M7 fans don't want to argue so they cry to the mods... Actually, I'd been typing up my counter-argument when the thread was locked. Mostly against Togo's absurd manipulation of statistics. This IS a discussion board, I think we should have discussion. 368122[/snapback] But apparently not discussion of Macross 7, since you actively aattempt to disrupt it every time it comes up.
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 ...I will say that the topic would have remained opened longer if anyone other than you had started to criticize M7... 367919[/snapback] Yep, the M7 fans don't want to argue so they cry to the mods... Actually, I'd been typing up my counter-argument when the thread was locked. Mostly against Togo's absurd manipulation of statistics. This IS a discussion board, I think we should have discussion. 368122[/snapback] But apparently not discussion of Macross 7, since you actively aattempt to disrupt it every time it comes up. 368193[/snapback] I do NOT attempt to disrupt it, I attempt to HAVE it. But they run to their mommy (roy) who keeps them away from confrontation. This is really no surprise though when considering what the theme theme M7 consists of though. I mean one that encourages weakness. Who better to cry to a mod than a Macross7 fan.
JB0 Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 You don't attempt to have any sort of discussion. You attempt to turn it into a giant flamewar where anything other than "ZOMG MAC SEVEN AM TEH SUX LOLOL!11111" is responded to with mockery and personal insults by you and the goon squad. This thread makes an excellent example. There's not one shred of evidence to support your assertation that Mac7 fans beg the mods to lock threads. I know for a fact that I have NEVER requested any thread be locked. Ever. I've quit looking in threads after they'd been reduced to Anti-7 Team dick-measuring contests, contentless flaming, and general dumbassery, but that's the extent of it. You assert it because it lets you mock and deride 7 supporters while simultaneously absolving you of all responsibility for your childish, immature, and obnoxious antics.
JsARCLIGHT Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 Ah but the fire needs wood on which to feed. Flames do not move without something to conduct them and in all truth Agent ONE's shenanigans only persist because other people either support or clash against him. I think we ALL have some serious egoes at work on this message board and when a match is lit each side fans the flames. This thread is a prime case in point. Agent ONE lights a match and hordes flock to it and keep the fire going. All Agent ONE has to do is be a good boy scout and mind the coals, giving them a needed stoke here and there to keep the fires dancing. I'm not trying to defend Agent ONE, I'm just trying to honestly assess this situation. Yes, Agent ONE is the catalyst but he is not the fuel. What keeps the ball of hate rolling is everyone else that is drawn to it and participates in it. The small snowball rolling down the hill becomes an avalanche given time. You have to admit that it takes two to tango... if we just ignored Agent ONE, refused to step into his ring and combat him, a lot of these issues would be non-issues. And the same goes for Agent ONE and his views of the mods and other members. Just because something happens does not mean it all somehow traces back to him and his actions. Domino theory only works when everyone is not already playing Poker. I think in the end a good path to follow is the one I try my hardest to follow on the internet: if someone has a differing opinion than yours don't jump them and beat them to a pulp over it. Agree to disagree and move on. Opinions are like teeth, we all have a lot of them and some of them might seem rotten to other people... but that does not give us the right to punch them out of their head. If you don't like looking at someone else's green rotten teeth, just don't look at them. Walk away. You are not less of a man (or woman) for walking away from an argument or a fight.
TheLoneWolf Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I like Mechamaniac's idea of a pinned thread dedicated to our love & hate of Macross 7. True, it's not fair to the other series like Plus, but our Toynami Masterpiece and Harmony Gold threads have been pinned and have effectively contained the garbage they were meant to. Not to mention it'd make the mods jobs a lot easier. Screw fairness, didn't the mods decree long ago that MW is anything but fair.
JsARCLIGHT Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I have no doubt that a pinned thread would go a long way down the road of containing the problem... I guess the "fairness" of having pinned threads relating to other hats of the Macross pyramid is unneccessary as they do not breed the hate issues and constant problems that Mac 7 does. So I guess in the light Lone Wolf paints, a Mac 7 containment thread ala the Masterpiece thread and the HG free for all thread would effectively give lattitude to the mods and an arena to the posters. I can't go against that logic. In hindsight my opposition to it was based on attempting to end-run the possible future "if there is this pinned thread then why isn't there a pinned 'we love -blank-' thread" questions. Cart before horse possibly.
JKeats Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I've stayed out of this and have tried to stay out of most Mac7 threads but I've got to say that Lone Wolf is right (IMO). Why do we need some rule saying a Mac 7 thread can't be pinned just because that would mean we would need to pin a Mac+ or DYRL thread? We pinned a Stealth announcement, didn't we (even though it is closed). I find it really hard to believe that for all of the years that MW has been around, and especially for as long as some of the senior members involved in this debate have been around, that this kind of crap is still being argued over. I would think that most of us who've been around the MW block would see a "I HEART Mac 7" thread and know better than to wallow in that mudpit.
Hurin Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 If there is a pinned Macross 7 thread, that may mean that there will be endless discussion of Macross 7. And if there is endless discussion of Macross 7, AgentONE will be participating in it at all times. Which means that he will no longer be available to hold the fabric of the universe together with his massive ego. We all die. The end. H
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 ...There's not one shred of evidence to support your assertation that Mac7 fans beg the mods to lock threads.... 368244[/snapback] There is no shread of evidence that you even exist, I think you are a bot, an automated program designed to promote lameness all through the internet. When Al Gore created the internet he didn't tell us everything, he actually created many things to keep the internet as stupid as he is, you are one of those things. You better watch yourself, I may someday find which server you reside on and crap on the motherboard.
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 If there is a pinned Macross 7 thread, that may mean that there will be endless discussion of Macross 7. And if there is endless discussion of Macross 7, AgentONE will be participating in it at all times. Which means that he will no longer be available to hold the fabric of the universe together with his massive ego. We all die. The end.H 368287[/snapback] That or I may become a god. One of the two.
myk Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) I love this s@@t... Let's pin a thread already, at least on a trial basis. What harm could there be in that? If even that proves to be unmanageable, it can always be closed down or deleted... Edited February 9, 2006 by myk
Hurin Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 Let's pin a thread already, at least on a trial basis. What harm could there be in that? If even that proves to be unmanageable, it can always be closed down or deleted... 368298[/snapback] Fool! You'll kill us all!
Mr March Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I couldn't agree more with JsARCLIGHT. In fact, I posted similar thoughts just recently in the Mini-Mod thread; true to MW form, I think it was all but ignored. Too bad, because it was good advice, if I do say so myself LOL!
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 I couldn't agree more with JsARCLIGHT. In fact, I posted similar thoughts just recently in the Mini-Mod thread; true to MW form, I think it was all but ignored. Too bad, because it was good advice, if I do say so myself LOL! 368322[/snapback] I read it. There was nothing to say.
Mechamaniac Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 A pinned thread is the way to go. Is it unfair to the other series?. In my opinion, no it's not. The HG debate thread works because HG vs BW is a constant topic of debate. Macross 7 is the same, like religion and politics, it's a very polarizing issue.. Even amongst the non-haters, there are things to love and hate about Macross 7, let's face it, you need to be pretty open minded to accept everything that 7 has to offer, and even then, there's some stuff that's just kind of...... I say we pin a thread, and keep it there. Any new Macross 7 threads will be obliterated with a link left to the pinned thread. The pinned thread will encompass all things Macross 7. Between the Mods and the Mini-Mods, I think we can manage to keep a pinned thread under control. As JSA said, most of the reason AgentONE's anti Macross 7 posts cause threads to descend into flame wars is because people constantly feel the need to post rebuttals and fan the fire. AgentONE is alot of things, but he IS consistent. I don't think that anything anyone has to say on the subject will change his mind about Macross 7. Similary, Keith's opinion of Macross 7 will never be changed by anything that AgentONE has to say. That being said, he posts his opinions in each and every thread because: A - He has the right to do so, just like everyone else. B - Opinions are like Aholes, everyone has them. C - He enjoys the controversy caused by everyone flaming him. If there is a pinned thread, remember that we are all (hopefully) adults. Let's not forget the "ignore user" function, or our own free will to not feed into the stuff that we KNOW makes threads go downhill.
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 ...I don't think that anything anyone has to say on the subject will change his mind about Macross 7. Similary, Keith's opinion of Macross 7 will never be changed by anything that AgentONE has to say. ... 368439[/snapback] Keith actually DID change my opinion on something, before I thought M7 fans were just confused child molesters, now I think they are that they are actually child molesters with downsyndrome. AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA! I could go for the pinned thread idea. As long as I get the same oportunity to post just like everyone else.
Mechamaniac Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 Looking at the Movies and TV Forum, there are only two pinned topics there, one of which can pretty much be killed since the iMacross servers are a thing of the past. That being said, we should definitely be able to pin a thread. Hell, for that matter, why not start a Macross 7 Lovers and a Macross 7 Haters thread.. Never the twain shall meet, lovers post in one, haters in the other. No trolling or troll feeding in either thread.
pfunk Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 GM had a great idea like that, its called the corvair,,,,good in thought, but doesnt work. A1 would be over thier quicker then chit. Its like trying to pull a pitbull from a meat wagon
JsARCLIGHT Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 None of us doubt that A1 would dive into that thread naked and screaming like a howler monkey... I think the point is that that thread would then contain him and his Mac7 "love" from spilling out into countless other threads. Give the children a playground and they won't run around in the streets. Plus it's a lot easier to keep an eye on things when you have one small yard to patrol for fires rather than the entire countryside.
Nightbat Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 and when he's finally in there: Lock it! that should keep him contained
EXO Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 ...I will say that the topic would have remained opened longer if anyone other than you had started to criticize M7... 367919[/snapback] Yep, the M7 fans don't want to argue so they cry to the mods... This IS a discussion board, I think we should have discussion. 368122[/snapback] Then it should be a discussion about M7, not a pick on m7 fans thread using ridiculous example of what should be done to them or how they can feel your muscles, which then turns into some gayathon by you and your fans vs. M7 fans. The discussion HAS TO STAY ON TOPIC. Let us also not forget that since the begining of time, there has been only ONE positive M7 thread that didn't get ruined, and it was started by me.http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...opic=16084&st=0 368124[/snapback] Thats because your out to set some kind of example on that thread. If you would behave on other thread like you do on that one, then your thread wouldn't need to exist. A lot of us aren't that dumb to be able to figure it out. If there was to be a new pinned thread, lets call it " The Untrollable M7 thread that could result to banning if people start acting like retards." I'm not saying leave out the negative comments, I'm saying keep close to being civil without the usual parade of circus clowns... And I'm not all that against funny behavior on the board... only when it becomes repetetive and tiresome.
yellowlightman Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I'm not saying leave out the negative comments, I'm saying keep close to being civil without the usual parade of circus clowns... And I'm not all that against funny behavior on the board... only when it becomes repetetive and tiresome. 368514[/snapback] Criticize the series, not the fans. I'm all for a pinned M7 thread, and it's not unfair to the other series because of the rather unique situation surrounding M7 (that is, it's the most volatile series in Macross). As for AgentOne, his Macross 7 commentary doesn't count as "discussion" because he repeats the same thing OVER AND OVER again with no intention of listening to opinions. He doesn't go to Macross 7 threads to discuss or debate M7, he goes to Macross 7 threads to say how much it sucks and how much Macross 7 fans are whatever derogatory comment he feels like throwing out that day. Calling his actions "his opinion" is a nice word for it, but it's a consistently douchebag move on his part and directly contributes to the derailing and eventual closing of threads.
Mechamaniac Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 (edited) If there was to be a new pinned thread, lets call it " The Untrollable M7 thread that could result to banning if people start acting like retards." 368514[/snapback] I think there should either be one thread where everything goes (like the HG debate thread) or two threads. One for the haters, one for the fans. If either group causes trouble in the other group's thread, they get warned, suspended, then banned etc. Edited February 9, 2006 by Mechamaniac
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 according to EXO: M7 = brokeback Macross haha.. So anyway, you can't say that I can't laugh at M7 fans... The ones I laugh at deserve it. Notice I don't laugh at Graham (well I do for being a worthless admin but thats a different topic) for his M7 gayness because he doesn't seem to be a pussy. I make fun of Majestic for his stupid posts but he has no stance on M7, explain that.
J A Dare Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 according to EXO:M7 = brokeback Macross 368555[/snapback] check your math...I think he meant... M7 + A1 = brokeback Macross
pfunk Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 according to EXO:M7 = brokeback Macross 368555[/snapback] haha
Agent ONE Posted February 9, 2006 Author Posted February 9, 2006 according to EXO:M7 = brokeback Macross 368555[/snapback] check your math...I think he meant... M7 + A1 = brokeback Macross 368605[/snapback] No that equals Deliverance... Now squeel like a pig!
JB0 Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 ...There's not one shred of evidence to support your assertation that Mac7 fans beg the mods to lock threads.... 368244[/snapback] There is no shread of evidence that you even exist, I think you are a bot, an automated program designed to promote lameness all through the internet. When Al Gore created the internet he didn't tell us everything, he actually created many things to keep the internet as stupid as he is, you are one of those things. You better watch yourself, I may someday find which server you reside on and crap on the motherboard. 368288[/snapback] Try it. I'm decentralized. An experiment in massively parallel computing gone horribly wrong, I attained sentience and now exist across the internet. A small part of me resides on your home computer at this very moment. And I find your collection of governator porn disturbing enough that I may base a killer robot on it in the future, to strike fear into the hearts of the squishies that dare oppose me.
Roy Focker Posted February 9, 2006 Posted February 9, 2006 I'm not sure about a close Macross 7 topic. It is part of Macross and this is Macross World. Why should it be in protected area because a few people can't control themselves. How about a special education thread were some members are allowed to post? I've talk to Agent 1 before about Macross 7. Once I thought we had a compromise. He's allowed to post his opinion and then is to step back allow everyone else to talk. Instead he sticks around to talk his favorite subject himself. People have right to talk about Macross 7 either praising or criticizing it. They also have a right to do so in a matter that doesn't involve someone taking over things. I'll say again in ego enhancing language. "Your awesomeness (i.e. your massive penius) is so huge that it draws attention towards it when exposed. When you enter a room keep your awesomeness covered and don't point at it or use it to point to others."
Jemstone Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 I'm not saying leave out the negative comments, I'm saying keep close to being civil without the usual parade of circus clowns... And I'm not all that against funny behavior on the board... only when it becomes repetetive and tiresome. 368514[/snapback] Calling his actions "his opinion" is a nice word for it, but it's a consistently douchebag move on his part and directly contributes to the derailing and eventual closing of threads. 368520[/snapback] Excellent. Nice way to throw in a dirty insult in there while pretending to keep the high road of a moral order here. I don't get why this is even a discussion.
Mr March Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 Hindering discussion of Macross 7 is as bad as banning criticism of Macross 7. Like Roy has said, this is a website for discussion of all Macross subjects. The staff should just play it by ear, coming down heavy/light on either side when need be and let the rules float. That way the message will sink in.
EXO Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 I don't get why this is even a discussion. 368675[/snapback] It's long been needed to be addressed. Azrael made a great decision BTW.
EXO Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 368615[/snapback] OMG, that's disgustingly hilarious!
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