Graham Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Good news, the diecast bar is being redesigned. If you have a broken one, contact the shop you bought it from, so they can contact Yamato to arrange for a replacement bar. Graham Quote
mpchi Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Good news, the diecast bar is being redesigned.If you have a broken one, contact the shop you bought it from, so they can contact Yamato to arrange for a replacement bar. Graham 409932[/snapback] Hmm, wonder if someone can purchase a bunch of these as spare parts, so owners don't need to worry as much about future breakage. As I doubted Yamato is still going to have spare redesigned bars in a year or two after release. But thats great news anyhow. Quote
JELEINEN Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Good news, the diecast bar is being redesigned.If you have a broken one, contact the shop you bought it from, so they can contact Yamato to arrange for a replacement bar. Graham 409932[/snapback] Looks like I'll hold off buying one right away. Quote
Vermillion21 Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Just got mine from Tam today... great packaging as usual. Everything came in the box, nothing broken and I even managed to transform him into bot mode: not sure if I'll transform him back though.. that was scary business there! BTW, the figure is worthless... cheap soft vinyl and the arms are just poor designed. Otherwise, I really dig him. Really decent posability and everything fits just right. 409884[/snapback] Cool pic! I'm not gonna buy one, so I am admiring everyone else's Garland from afar!! Quote
eugimon Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I'd rather just get the newly designed one rather than wait for it to break... Quote
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 So does this means that Yamato will sell an improved version of the Garland or just the redesigned part? Quote
drifand Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Thanks for the pix and damage report, Graham... This is one Yamato toy that I STILL want to own. At least I'll have a Rev. B to look forward to now. Quote
Hikuro Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Lastnight I guess in my sleep I knocked my garland off my desk. Course the right arm went FLYING off, found it 4 feet away by my TV center, but the left arm was still in perfect shape and the Garland in general was just fine. Quote
Vermillion21 Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 More Garland pics!! More Garland pics!!! Quote
Macross73 Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Lastnight I guess in my sleep I knocked my garland off my desk. Course the right arm went FLYING off, found it 4 feet away by my TV center, but the left arm was still in perfect shape and the Garland in general was just fine. 410016[/snapback] thats awfull. I think i may ask for the replacement bar now. so that i have it on hand when or if mine ever breaks. Of course i havent actually gotten mine yet. Quote
Fort Max Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Are those meant to be it's colours before Shogo "Accquired" it? I can't remember too well but I think it was more like a rusty brown colour. These reports of weak arse swings bars have me a little jittery, I should get mine in the next couple of days. Quote
Hikuro Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Well since it was in a parking grage with not alot of light it's hard to tell if it was brown, yellow or a rustic orange. As for the replacement bar, i was excited at first but now I'm having my second thoughts....was just mentioning it to someone and they think it might be offered to those Japanese stores.....since they don't ship their replacement parts over seas. Quote
Graham Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Don't forget that the Garland has an official licensed US release. Heck, even the RT.com site is selling it. This means that US stores should be able to order replacement parts from Yamato USA. Graham Quote
EXO Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 meh, U.S. stores dont carry that stuff, you still have to go to places that import it. I've never seen the Scopedog in ToysR'Us or Kaybees. THat's why I dont think the license debate dont really mean crap. Even with Toynami stuff you have to go to video game or comic book stores. Quote
Ginrai Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I'm sure US-based online stores are perfectly capable of ordering the replacement part from Yamato USA. Quote
eugimon Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I've transformed my garland a few times now and I haven't had a problem with my swing arms.. I'm wondering if maybe there was a batch where the metal was cast improperly leaving it weakend or stressed? Quote
mechaninac Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 I've transformed my garland a few times now and I haven't had a problem with my swing arms.. I'm wondering if maybe there was a batch where the metal was cast improperly leaving it weakend or stressed? 410286[/snapback] I'm hoping you are correct -- getting mine on Friday, but I doubt Yamato would spend the time and resources to redesign the swing arm if they didn't screw up the engineering of the original part in the first place. However, a badly cast early batch would definitely exacerbate failures of an inadequately conceived design. Quote
Mechamaniac Posted June 22, 2006 Posted June 22, 2006 Got mine today, no problems thankfully. Definitely use the Yamato guide when transforming the arms, that is the only tricky part of the transformation. Other than that, it rocks! Quote
GobotFool Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Got mine today, no problems thankfully.Definitely use the Yamato guide when transforming the arms, that is the only tricky part of the transformation. Other than that, it rocks! 410336[/snapback] So what is the consensus on the bars? Inherent design flaw or a random molding flaw? Quote
VF5SS Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 I think the consensus is don't be stupid and move them with the same strength you'd use to jack up a car. Loosening the black screws that hold the bars to the body helps too. Quote
Graham Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 I have a feeling that it's a random casting flaw, as the number of breakages has been statistically very small so far. Graham Quote
Mechamaniac Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 I can definitely say that IF you choose to rotate the bars backward by holding the tire, you will risk breaking this peg, however, if you rotate it back toward the other end of the bar, it's much sturdier. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Just got my Garland today. I love it! I'm VERY impressed with this thing and Yamato really thought out the transformation. Using magnets is ingenious! The only problem I had is during transformation one of the "clips" that hold the front cowling to the head/gastank area popped off and I can't find it. I'm sure it'll turn up. Fortunately, it's only important during transformation and in manuver craft mode. I really like how parts of it can intentionally come off to ease transformation and limit breakage, like on the VF-0S. Hasbro has been using this for a long time, it's great Yamato is getting a clue. I'm super impressed with Yamato's latest offerings. The VF-0S was masterful and the new Garland is amazing. Let's hope they make more Garlands! Vostok 7 Quote
Vermillion21 Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Some guy did a custom LEMON garland. 410125[/snapback] I actually dig the Lemon Garland .... Quote
Graham Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Guys, if you have a broken Garland, can you please PM me with a description of the broken part and a photo if possible. No promises, but I might be able to get some replacement parts. Graham Quote
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 (edited) Just read some of the impressions. Sounds a little scary to transform like the vb6 monster at first. Still going to be getting one eventually. Hopefully not a dud. But I will definately be paying a lot of attention to the instructions before forcing anything. Edited June 23, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote
Graham Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 The thing is, I don't think it's a matter of force being the reason for breakage of the diecast peg at the end of the swing bar. That area doesn't need force to transform at all. I certainly didn't use force on mine. In fact I was very careful. I still suspect that it's just some toys that have flaws in the casting, resulting in soft as butter, break-prone pegs, while the majority will hopefully be correctly cast and fine (touch wood). I guess only time will tell, as the toy is still rather new and not that many people outside of Japan and HK have them yet. Graham Quote
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Ah well, I will just be careful in transforming it. For a minute it sounded like pegs were going to snap off or something if you didn't look at instructions carefully and slowly. (ie people showing stress marks on the pegs for vb6 for eg) I'm usually that way anyway, even for things like alternators and stuff which are cheap. Quote
Shaggydog Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 Sounds like it's a statistically small number of defective bars, like Graham said, and NOT an issue of using excessive force. Time will tell. For myself, I don't like reading the instructions on transforming a toy. I think of a transforming toy as a puzzle, and part of the fun is figuring out how to do it. For that reason, I like transforming toys where you can 'tell' if you're doing it right, and I abhor transforming toys that break if you do one step slightly wrong. Garland is a pretty good toy by these standards. But speaking of this, wouldn't it be easier for Yamato to just slightly redesign the dumb backpack flap on the vf-0s to allow it to fold, rather than insulting their customers as Graham's sig suggests? That's a classic case of something that *seems* like you should be able to do (fold it up), but if you do it, it breaks. IMO, that's poor design. Actions that will break a toy should be 'obviously wrong'. Quote
GobotFool Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 okay, now exactly what part is so breakable on the bar? I just need to confirm so I can have my seller check it out. Does this break occur at just the lightest strain so it happens say 1st or 2nd time transforming? Quote
Hikuro Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 there is a tiny peg on the bar which is connected to the shoulder area....it snaps if you apply just a tiny bit of pressure while you could be rotating the shoulder around for robot mode or back to bike mode. Quote
Chowser Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 just got mine from twin moons, gotta say, i was surprised, i was expecting another Humongous box from Yamato, this one seems just right Quote
GobotFool Posted June 23, 2006 Posted June 23, 2006 just got mine from twin moons, gotta say, i was surprised, i was expecting another Humongous box from Yamato, this one seems just right 410578[/snapback] looking at pictures of it next to the Scopdog, I really do wish they just made it in 1/12 scale. That probably would have allowed for a better rider figure. but he's about the same size as a microman? I may have to try and customize a microman to look like a lil shogo. Quote
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