Batou Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 ..and one last one of Batou and Tosuga. My ears are tingling ... Anyone have a link to that new trailer? Those screengrabs look fantastic. Quote
Nightbat Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 Choice of a lesser evil, but I'd rather see the new Appleseed movie than the GITS movie those are some drugged out expressions on those screenshots Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 I have a hard time watching something by Masamune Shirow that doesn't feature his designs. Half of the reason why I like his work is because of his artistic style. Quote
UN Spacy Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 Anyone have a link to that new trailer? Those screengrabs look fantastic. I found it HERE. It's under the MOVIE section....get it while the Torrent speeds are decent. Quote
Batou Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 Anyone have a link to that new trailer? Those screengrabs look fantastic. I found it HERE. It's under the MOVIE section....get it while the Torrent speeds are decent. Thanks! I'm pulling it down now. I didn't even think to look there for it - I should have known (heck - they've got everything else, right?). BTW, I think you introduced me to that site, too, a while back. I've visited a lot of torrent sites before, but I've gotten the most use of it than all the rest combined. Quote
EXO Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 I have a hard time watching something by Masamune Shirow that doesn't feature his designs. Half of the reason why I like his work is because of his artistic style. BINGO. Quote
dr_vandermeer Posted January 11, 2004 Posted January 11, 2004 Did Dark Horse publish the hard covers??? (Nice collection!) If they did I can ask one of their manga editors. he doesn't do the Shirow stuff but he could find out. Checked this weekend. Eclipse + Dark Horse for the first 2 hardcover books. Run of 300 S&N Hardcovers. Studio Proteus + Dark Horse for the 3rd. Run of 200 S&N Hardcovers. Off to download the trailer!!! Those screenshots looked great! Quote
roxman Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I don't know if anybody already mentioned this, but there is a new Shirow poster-set available at HLJ Togihime Zohshi Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I don't know if anybody already mentioned this, but there is a new Shirow poster-set available at HLJ Togihime Zohshi More porn by the looks of it. Quote
EXO Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I don't mind the hentai. If it's going to be done, who better than Shirow, right? In fact I remember seeing hentai stuff (outside of those pages in GITS and GITS:MMI) that he did even before the posterbooks, in some small japanese book that was mostly text. (Sorry to bring that topic up again, had to mention it though. By the way, the other link is broken so here's a proper one for the curious: http://rengoku9.free.fr/pbcollection.html ) We all know of his love for the female form, it's a natural progression in my opinion. If fact, I'm not opposed to him showing everything to be completely honest. The Doc said it all very wisely... Quote
Omni Existence Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I just scored all three Intron Depot books by Shirow. Awesome work. Now I am looking for his other stuff. Namely the works that Apollo Leader mentioned. Quote
dr_vandermeer Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Hey EXO, were you able to talk to your friend about the 4th Appleseed HC book? Quote
EXO Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 doh! I just sent the email right now... lol. Quote
drifand Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 OK. So i finally bought GITS2 MMI issues 10 and 11. Sat down for a thorough read... and was pretty disappointed when I reached the last page. So WHAT is the point of MMI, you ask? Here's the plot: Motoko has changed. She percieves reality differently. She has some adventures which lead her to some of her former selves. They decide to merge again. Motoko has changed. She percieves things differently... The end. Anyone think different? Quote
bsu legato Posted January 19, 2004 Author Posted January 19, 2004 Nope, I think you summed it up pretty good. I just finished #11 over coffee here in my office, and all I'm left with is an overwhelming sense of apathy toward the entire MiM story. Instead of adding some insight into what was going on over the past 10 issues, we're treated to a bunch of talking heads discussing life, evolution and the universe. Ho-hum. Shirow, why hast thou forsaken us? Quote
drifand Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 This will probably rank as the most gorgeously illustrated and badly-told "Cycle of Life" story ever told in 11 chapters... Quote
Omni Existence Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 This will probably rank as the most gorgeously illustrated and badly-told "Cycle of Life" story ever told in 11 chapters... That bad huh? That's one way of thinking about getting it, then again the art is great so....I'm still getting it. Quote
EXO Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 Yeah, just read it over the weekend... anticlimactic... Omni, wait for the collection instead. Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 Shirow has become all flash and no substance. As if it wasn't bad enough all he seems to want to do these days is hard and softcore porn. How the mighty have fallen. He used to be my favorite, now... Quote
bsu legato Posted January 19, 2004 Author Posted January 19, 2004 Shirow has become all flash and no substance. As if it wasn't bad enough all he seems to want to do these days is hard and softcore porn. I wouldn't even go so far as to say Man Machine Interface had a lot of flash. At least, other than the pretty CG backgrounds. If Shirow had resorted to filling MMI with nothing but robot combat and explosions then I'd agree. But to really get anything out of this story it seems that you need a philosophy degree. I was ok with his stories when his characters would wax philosophical about insect exoskeletons or religous zealots in the third world, because at least that had some bearing on the story (sometimes). But in MMI it is the story, and I didn't become a fan of Shirows earlier works just to read a bunch of metaphysical/existential nonsense. Shirows better works have always balanced the mumbo-jumbo with an actual story, you know....plot, pacing, characterization. Thats what frustrates me the most about MMI. He's taken the "deeper" elements of the story and amped them up to a level that's absolutely unreadable. When you have to reread each page at least twice to get a sense of what the hell is going on, it become a chore just to finish the damn comic. Quote
yellowlightman Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 Yeah, just read it over the weekend... anticlimactic...Omni, wait for the collection instead. Looks like I might be waiting for the TPB too, given everyone's response to it. It's okay, I just re-read Appleseed 1 & 2 after a few years so I've satiated my Shirow for a while. Quote
EXO Posted January 19, 2004 Posted January 19, 2004 It seems to be the current fad in anime and maybe in mangas but the stories have been oversaturated with philosophy. I'm not sure if it's not coming across right in the translation but the philosphy is really bad. it's always about evolution, where we came from, where are we going and it doesn't meld well with the story. Most of the time it's a character sitting there wondering about existence and then the next minute they're duking it out with a giant robot. EVA is a good example. That's why I'm more akin to the old 80's style japanese importations. SDF Macross was a great combination of story and substance. DYRL kinda got sidetracked by the whole protoculture for a minute, but the balance was still good. And it seems Shirow is not immune to the fad. It could be that he was guilty of it seeing as Orion was so deep in the whole mystic way of life thing early in the 90's. I don't want to see a shallow all out robot battle coming from Shirow and my other favorites but I wish the time would come back to where the philosophy served the plot not the other way around. Quote
dr_vandermeer Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 It seems to be the current fad in anime and maybe in mangas but the stories have been oversaturated with philosophy. I'm not sure if it's not coming across right in the translation but the philosphy is really bad. it's always about evolution, where we came from, where are we going and it doesn't meld well with the story. Most of the time it's a character sitting there wondering about existence and then the next minute they're duking it out with a giant robot. EVA is a good example. That's why I'm more akin to the old 80's style japanese importations. SDF Macross was a great combination of story and substance. DYRL kinda got sidetracked by the whole protoculture for a minute, but the balance was still good.And it seems Shirow is not immune to the fad. It could be that he was guilty of it seeing as Orion was so deep in the whole mystic way of life thing early in the 90's. I don't want to see a shallow all out robot battle coming from Shirow and my other favorites but I wish the time would come back to where the philosophy served the plot not the other way around. Amen, brother EXO! Quote
Capt Hungry Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 I too, read both #10 and 11 this weekend. I agree with the anticlimatic feel of #11. Alas, I was hoping for more but I kind of understood what was going on.........sorta. Still, I am going to have to re-read the whole series now that I have them all. Shirow may have gone way off on a tangent, but the artwork is still cool. Quote
bsu legato Posted January 20, 2004 Author Posted January 20, 2004 By the way, I assume everybody noticed how Shirown managed to slip in a little Tentacle Sex in MMI #11. Seriously, was that really necessary? Quote
Duke Togo Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 By the way, I assume everybody noticed how Shirown managed to slip in a little Tentacle Sex in MMI #11. Seriously, was that really necessary? You should see the uncut version of MMI. Quote
MSW Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 I still love Appleseed...but I pretty much lost intrest in Shirow after the first Intron Depot book and he started produceing a lot more fanservice type pin-ups ... Not that I mind a little fanservice (lord knows I have enough of Oobari's work around here...mainly like him for the dynamic exagerated fluid flexable art style more then his big impossable breasted women though) Nagano is still tops in my book, love his designs and very elegant art style...However Kazumi Fujita is still my all time favorite mecha designer (he so needs a "collected works" book or two...his concept work for Gao Gai Gar is just awsome!)...Shirow is still an exceptionaly talented artist, but I think he has lost his touch over the last decade or so...I only pick up the FSS manga now, dropped MMI after the first two issues...the whole "what is reality" stuff, while interesting, was much better done decades ago through the works of writer Phillip K. Dick IMHO. Quote
bsu legato Posted January 20, 2004 Author Posted January 20, 2004 I still love Appleseed... *raises glass to toast* Yes. To Appleseed. That's what frustrated me the most about Shirows abortive attempt at Appleseed Book 5, as published in Hypernotes. The first thing that you notice when you read it is that....it's actually good. The story whipped along at a brisk pace, the story made sense, shirows oldschool humor had returned, Deunan kept her clothes on.....what more could you ask for? If Shirow wasn't pleased with his efforts at Book 5, I'm afriad to know what he really wanted to do. Quote
dr_vandermeer Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 All Hail APPLESEED!!! BTW, has anyone seen this LIVE ACTION Appleseed video? http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/1073/apple.htm (bottom of the page) I've seen the Film Comic book (by B-Club), and it rocks, but I want to see Briareos move!!! Quote
yellowlightman Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 From the link, it looks like it's not a movie... just a live action commercial, right? Definately is something I'd like to see, I'm surprised it's not already on the net. Anyone have it on video? I'd probably be able to encode it, or at the very least provide some hosting space for it. Quote
dr_vandermeer Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 Here's a good find for you Appleseed fans. Don't know what the going rates are right now, but it seems like $60 for Book 1 S&N is a steal to me!!! http://www.mothcomix.com/html/productdetai....asp?prdId=2000 Quote
MSW Posted January 21, 2004 Posted January 21, 2004 (edited) There was also some stuff in modeling magazine Hobby Japan about that supposed live action Appleseed flick/commercial/whatever...Can't recall the exact issue but IIRC it was around 1988-89 (maybe slightly later) just a short little set of behind the scenes type pics (some showing a bit of Bri's costume detail I think)... actualy it may not have been a commercial or even ment to be seen by the public (as a film would)...I worked for a video production firm at the time, mainly doing stuff (everything from raw grip work to full on 2D cell animation) for TV commercials and education/instructional videos...but we had a number of "proof of concept" projects usually done on a contract basis...typicaly this sort of thing is/was done to try and get investors onboard (show them something to peak thier intrests, etc...)...One of these such "proof of concept" things was for a proposed laserdisk basied video game inspired by Star Wars...basicly we had to quickly and cheaply produce a 10 minute "epic space battle" the client was to then show investors to get them excited enough to invest thier money in produceing the real game...we also did another of these for a proposed horror film (actually did three of these IIRC)...anyway that sort of thing isn't uncommon, and it might be the case with this "live-action Appleseed" thingy...some guy wanted to make a live action flick basied on Appleseed, and invested in produceing a short flick to intice big money investors (or maybe even Shirow himself to sign off on the project)...as the guy owns the flick he might have just shielved it as he couldn't get enough investors (or it turned out real crappy, whatever) and so it's next to impossable to be found online...didn't actor Richard Hatch do something simular with his own self funded Battlestar Galactic "trailer" a few years ago?...it's same basic deal, made to generate intrest in a potential project... Course it could have been a TV commercial too...just trying to provide some info here EDIT: another thought...it could also have been ment as a "show reel" for some small Japanese SFX studio...the common thing companies do is to edit together a bunch of clips from shows/shots they have worked on...and other companies looking for attention also make short little flicks showing off what they can do...it is kinda a moot point when you are a big company like ILM...but when you are smaller like say Fantasy Effects (and other small SFX companies) that sort of thing really helps set you appart when shopping for clients (who may have to wade through dozens nearly identical "show reels" when shopping for a SFX firm to handle thier film effects)...blah...more film insider info Edited January 21, 2004 by MSW Quote
yellowlightman Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Dunno if peopel have already seen this, but its a first time for me. NCS just put up pics of soem new Appleseed gashapons coming out, here: http://www.ncsx.org/2004/ncs011904/x_appleseed.htm I'm guessing they're based on the new movie coming out, since i don't recognize the whip-toting cyborgs. Quote
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