Macross TV Dub

[pfunk]

Again, I say, glad to see that it (Macross dubbed) will probably bring in more fans,

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That says it all right thier

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Err... maybe I should have put in a smiley in that post. I wasn't being serious. It was a joke from ghost in the shell about pulling information from the net to gain information at blistering speeds and cyber enhancements to speed up the thinking process. Not all of us are wired to be able to watch and read everything at blistering speed without rewinding. meh nevermind.

Man, Did congress vote for you or the macross fans to go to war??? Damn, man, chill out, breathe into a brown paper bag, relax a little. I don't think people that bought a "Robotech product" are sleeping less, or feel conviction.

I am chilled.

See, that is my point. The two markets co-exist so long as people still buy games, dvds, robotech toys, etc because the money flow keeps it going. I'm a fan of more options = better and happier world. When hurin mentioned that saying it "co-exists" means giving it some kind of legitmacy, I didn't mean that macross people have to accept, like or give respect to robotech in any way, all because I mentioned the story was different. What I meant was fan support for that won't die and people have to accept that robotech IS still alive. It's unrealistic to expect fans of that to suddenly disapear. Rather it would be more reasonable that those old fans abandon robotech, convert, and gradually learn more about macross the way a lot of people here have done to get access to macross. Through a gradual step by step process - like getting a smoker to reduce the amount they smoke and maybe get them off it altogether in time.

It is due to mainly to ignorance that many do not know about macross. As opposed to people that knowing macross but preferring robotech. The dub means you can now get access to them at a grassroots level. By including more options, this means you make it more widely apealing without sacrificing anything the purists want. Happier world for all. The dumb masses no longer get confused becasue they will have the whole story explained easy for them, ie no reading required so my dumb friend won't be turned off watching it, ..while slowly defecting from robotech and "awakening". So all those people that were wondering about the events after kamjin attack and whether the bridge crew survive get the true event in the real macross rather than the robotech version of events.

I base this reasoning on my own personal experiences with casual watchers of anime who most of the time choose to hear english because it is thier native tongue, disregarding the quality of the acting. It doesn't mean they are dumb, have no respect to the talent of the original, or not worthy enough to watch macross, simply because they want to hear english. Rather it just means they felt that reading means they miss out on the action onscreen. You can say this is an "excuse", but that is just how most people I know think. Not all people like to read stuff, because it isn't relaxing for them that way. Previous to it, all those people had was robotech.

But I reason that even though most of us don't care about the dub, I bet many casual anime watchers will. But the assumption here by some people is that "Nobody willingly chooses to watch dub based solely on horrible acting" which in my experience that simply isn't true - people are lazy and many don't care about quality VA if they can't understand the language. ...But... their money is important too, so that option to have dub IS important in the long run. Nobody is stopping you for having contempt for other fans, (there is already a self-hating anime club thread for that) just that I believe an ultimate dvd release is one where it loaded with as much stuff, and as many options on it as possible. I think it was just a misunderstanding, because hurin thought I was defending robotech when my original intention was to say that not all people "think like the purist" at first. Little kids won't watch macross if they can't understand what people are saying. Better to let them hear a dub than to show them robotech.

*last of the long posts, promise *

Edited October 27, 2005 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[DeathHammer]

Please Delete Thanks

Edited February 8, 2010 by DeathHammer

[pfunk]

I am sure that the world is full of stupid people. Some who may or may not refuse to read subtitles.

I also know that a crapload of those stupid people love the NFL and watch football religiously on Sunday. They watched the commercials, argue endlessly about a QB controversy at work, play fantasy football with their friends, buy the potato chips and beer they are urged to purchase from the glowing HAL9000 in front of them with the remote and pretty much making going to a live game a loud, rude and unpleasant ordeal.

But those stupid people keep the games on every Sunday, many of them at no cost to me and ensure that the best competitive product possible is on the field. How much would it suck if the stupid people didn't watch football? And I had to watch it at 3 in the morning when the Home Shopping Network needs a break from selling cheap jewelry and toilet seat cozies and has to fill a few hours?

I am sure an arcane and less popular sport like horseback riding, lacrosse, Ping Pong and Badminton would KILL to have tons of stupid people clamor for them to be on every Sunday, and enjoy the mainstream revenue streams and interest to get an upgrade from ESPN 43, TeleMundo Sports or whatever crappy sports channel it might be on.

I have to question, especially for those of you who seem to forget how much Macross related merchandise you bought in the last few years because of the demand caused by the 'stupid people' , how 'smart' it is to piss on the tastes of strangers you'll never meet, never care about and don't change your life in any way - but create the buying leverage for you to have many of the DVDs, toys and merch in your living room right now.

Hardcore fans, no matter how 'smart' they are, can't do it alone. Or would all the smart people like to wake up on Sunday and while filling out their application for MENSA, suddenly realize John Madden is discussing a Ping Pong game.

The 'stupid' people don't give a rats ass what you are buying, they are just glad whatever they are interested in is avaliable to be bought. Sounds damn pretty 'smart' to me.

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you probably offended 50% of americans with that

[EXO]

screwy long ass thread... I didn't know this was coming out in two months. ADV placed their ad on the new Diamond previews already. I'll wait for the set with the extras, it's a good thing I still haven't flopped down for any of these sets yet.

[Keith]

Supposedly the mass consumer base also hates tits & profanity, does that mean we should edit that out of all media as well?

And you can be as lazy as you want to be, but saying you're too lazy to read something that's on the exact same screen as what you're watching is a point far beyond lazy. I also hope you don't drive, as paying attention to turn signals & traffic may distract you from the fun of hitting the gas pedal & turning the steering wheel while looking for ass on the street.

[EXO]

Supposedly the mass consumer base also hates tits & profanity, does that mean we should edit that out of all media as well?

And you can be as lazy as you want to be, but saying you're too lazy to read something that's on the exact same screen as what you're watching is a point far beyond lazy. I also hope you don't drive, as paying attention to turn signals & traffic may distract you from the fun of hitting the gas pedal & turning the steering wheel while looking for ass on the street.

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I'm too lazy to read that.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Supposedly the mass consumer base also hates tits & profanity, does that mean we should edit that out of all media as well?

Too right we love it but stupid politicians keep getting in the way of free speech )

This pretty much sums up my thoughts: (quote from the link)

Irony at its finest (12:14pm EST Mon Oct 10 2005)

Hmm....lets see here...what is Ahhnald famous for? Oh Yeah!!! Violent entertainment geared toward the 13 - 25 age group. What has he just signed into law? A bill limiting such entertainment. Yet another arguement for an intelligence requirement to hold office and or vote. - by T-1001

I also hope you don't drive, as paying attention to turn signals & traffic may distract you from the fun of hitting the gas pedal & turning the steering wheel while looking for ass on the street.

Ah But the difference is, driving a car requires concentration. Lying on a couch watching a tv with a beer should be relaxing as it is just entertainment. I agree with you the dub will take something away from the work, but the option to not choose it, is better for more people than no option at all and everyone forced to read sub. Sometimes I like to listen to the dub on macross plus for example for some variety - like when I hear millards voice it actually sounds like a real black guy. Happier world when everyone gets the choice to have either option.

Edited October 27, 2005 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Sumdumgai]

I am sure that the world is full of stupid people. Some who may or may not refuse to read subtitles.

I also know that a crapload of those stupid people love the NFL and watch football religiously on Sunday. They watched the commercials, argue endlessly about a QB controversy at work, play fantasy football with their friends, buy the potato chips and beer they are urged to purchase from the glowing HAL9000 in front of them with the remote and pretty much making going to a live game a loud, rude and unpleasant ordeal.

But those stupid people keep the games on every Sunday, many of them at no cost to me and ensure that the best competitive product possible is on the field. How much would it suck if the stupid people didn't watch football? And I had to watch it at 3 in the morning when the Home Shopping Network needs a break from selling cheap jewelry and toilet seat cozies and has to fill a few hours?

I am sure an arcane and less popular sport like horseback riding, lacrosse, Ping Pong and Badminton would KILL to have tons of stupid people clamor for them to be on every Sunday, and enjoy the mainstream revenue streams and interest to get an upgrade from ESPN 43, TeleMundo Sports or whatever crappy sports channel it might be on.

I have to question, especially for those of you who seem to forget how much Macross related merchandise you bought in the last few years because of the demand caused by the 'stupid people' , how 'smart' it is to piss on the tastes of strangers you'll never meet, never care about and don't change your life in any way - but create the buying leverage for you to have many of the DVDs, toys and merch in your living room right now.

Hardcore fans, no matter how 'smart' they are, can't do it alone. Or would all the smart people like to wake up on Sunday and while filling out their application for MENSA, suddenly realize John Madden is discussing a Ping Pong game.

The 'stupid' people don't give a rats ass what you are buying, they are just glad whatever they are interested in is avaliable to be bought. Sounds damn pretty 'smart' to me.

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you probably offended 50% of americans with that

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DeathHammer! High Five!

They should allow gladiator sports where people really tear each other open and get killed. It's stupid, mindless, violent, and there would be so many stupid people that would think it couldn't be real, they'd watch it (these would be the same people that think Pro-wrestling is real). Don't go for these fake-ass sports that are excuses for violence like American Football and Hockey. They should get rid of the balls, and just play team on team, last team standind. For hockey, forget the puck and just beat the crap out of each other with sticks. "Football" is soccer in the rest of the world, it makes more sense to me.

At least boxing is straight forward. Punch the crap out of each other until one or both of you go down. Occasionally getting an ear bitten off...

Pissing on the tastes of strangers is part of the American way. Another part for a different group is to guzzle the piss of strangers and diss the other Americans for pising on the tastes of strangers. Then yet another group is standing on top of all the others and pissing down on everyone, laughing, LAUGHING!!!!

[holds up sign: I'm being sarcastic]

And now for something completely different [takes meds]:

The end of the world will come in 2012 when the Mayan calendar resets, and the zentraedi bombards the planet's surface. Then the zentraedi will crashland and think it's safe. BUT. The left-over energy from their weapons and the earth's soil will cause the dead to rise from their graves, and a zombie horde will take over the surface of the earth. And there will be zentraedi super-zombies. And all will perish, consumed by the horde.

Seriously though, there's a lot of stupid people out there, and I'll piss on their tastes, particularly if I've met them. And I'm serious about bringing back gladiator bloodsports. A great way to weed out the gene pool.

[pfunk]

Supposedly the mass consumer base also hates tits & profanity,

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have you even seen TV latly tits and profanity sells

[Agent ONE]

...

Too right we love it but stupid politicians keep getting in the way of free speech )

This pretty much sums up my thoughts: (quote from the link)

...

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You are just a whining liberal pussy who has jumped on the sissy-homo-worthless band wagon... Nobody will argue that games that have adult themes are good for kds, and we aren't talking about rocket launchers (as your panzy-ass quote is refering to) we are talking about pimping women, selling drugs, killing homeless, sexual content (none of this crap is glorified in Arnold movies)... Space Invaders was a violent game, but nobody bitched about that, its the newer games that really push an extreem. I personally wouldn't want my nephew who is 11 to play San Andreas or any game like it.

[pfunk]

...

Too right we love it but stupid politicians keep getting in the way of free speech )

This pretty much sums up my thoughts: (quote from the link)

...

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You are just a whining liberal pussy who has jumped on the sissy-homo-worthless band wagon... Nobody will argue that games that have adult themes are good for kds, and we aren't talking about rocket launchers (as your panzy-ass quote is refering to) we are talking about pimping women, selling drugs, killing homeless, sexual content (none of this crap is glorified in Arnold movies)... Space Invaders was a violent game, but nobody bitched about that, its the newer games that really push an extreem. I personally wouldn't want my nephew who is 11 to play San Andreas or any game like it.

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back on the free speach, but totally off topic, its your responsibility to not buy, not allow your youngins to have this, porn is out thier on the internet, dont allow it to invade your home. Another good point is too lead by example, not, do what I say, not what I do.

[bandit29]

Another thread turned into a shitfest..go figure

Anyway back to the subject at hand.

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

Mari Iijima Talks Macross (12:17 PM EDT): Mari Iijima has updated her site with an October 23rd posting that talks about her working on the series again. "I can finally play Minmay with all my experiences and heart. I take this project very seriously as one of the most important works in my life. I don't have any intention to re-play Minmay. To me, this is a brand new project." Recording begins for her next month at the ADV Films studios in Houston, TX.

http://www.animeondvd.com/

http://www.marimusic.com/index2.html

[pfunk]

I cant wait for this to happen, whats the schedualled time frame again for release?

[Hurin]

Supposedly the mass consumer base also hates tits & profanity, does that mean we should edit that out of all media as well?

And you can be as lazy as you want to be, but saying you're too lazy to read something that's on the exact same screen as what you're watching is a point far beyond lazy. I also hope you don't drive, as paying attention to turn signals & traffic may distract you from the fun of hitting the gas pedal & turning the steering wheel while looking for ass on the street.

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First, what kind of a nut-job do you have to be to think that everyone hates "titties and profanity?" Have you not seen our culture lately?

And, since you just keep repeating your "lazy" argument regarding subtitles, I'll just repeat myself as well:

I'm just impressed that some people can simultaneously read text and scrutinize facial expressions. And that they never miss a facial expression, event, or subtle nuance no matter how briefly it is displayed and no matter how long the line of dialogue to be read. Truly astounding and impressive.

Really, it makes me wonder why we bother with dialog in movies at all. Why not just subtitle everything, all the time? I mean, obviously, there is no advantage to having your eyes free to take in scenery and nuance while your ears handle dialog. Subtitles are just simply superior and audible dialog has no place in a video experience.

Edited October 27, 2005 by Hurin

[Pat Payne]

I cant wait for this to happen, whats the schedualled time frame again for release?

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Sometime in January.

[JB0]

Space Invaders was a violent game, but nobody bitched about that, its the newer games that really push an extreem. 

Actually, people did.

The violence controversy(as opposed to the generic "video games are evil" debate) started with 1976's Death Race, where you ran a car over stick figure "gremlins." Allegedly this was the first video game to be banned, though I can't find anything saying WHERE it was banned.

1980's Phoenix was another hot-button controversial title. You were shooting "realistic" birds instead of abstract space ships or generic stick-figure assemblages, and people were worried about desensitization.

[Pat Payne]

we are talking about pimping women, selling drugs, killing homeless, sexual content (none of this crap is glorified in Arnold movies)...

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Weeeeeeeeeell...He did do quite a bit o' the Mexico Green in Pumping Iron...

But seriously, sexual content in video games is nothing new either. Here's but a couple, including the very first. "Custer's Revenge" of 1980 had the player take control of a naked (except for cavalry hat and neckerchief) General George Armstrong Custer whose mission was to make it through heavy arrow fire to have sex with a naked Indian lass.

I'm NOT making this up. Seriously. (warning. probably not work-safe.)

Needless to say, this game managed to cheese off everybody: Women's groups who saw a new avenue for objectification, Native American groups angered at the treatment of Native Americans in the game, "Custer was right" nutjobs who felt their martyr was being maligned, and the gaming community saddled with this turkey.

Cathouse was another. You play a guy with special needs, and have to run around to houses of ill fame with the vice squad hot on your...um...tail.

All of these were for the Atari 2600.

But how did we get to video games? Remember Mari and her new acting role?

Edited October 27, 2005 by Pat Payne

[Apollo Leader]

Originally I was wanting to reply to some comments made by Roy a page or two back, but I agree with some of the others that we really need to get this thread back on subject or start all over. animeondvd.com is having a far better discussion on this subject matter then this site is... and this is a Macross dedicated site for crying out loud!

Again,

1) A new Macross boxset is being released by ADV using the footage originally remastered by Animeigo.

2) Not only will it have improved subtitles, but it will have a complete dub over to English for the first time.

3) The very same Mari Ijima who voiced and sung Minmay's part way back in 1982-83, is reprising her part in English... an anime first (or at least extreme rarity)!

4) New extras, including stuff by Mari, will be on this DVD set.

5) Presumably, the artwork will be hopefully be better then the blan artwork done by Garoquel (sorry ) for the Animeigo discs and box.

6) With ADV having a much bigger and better distribution, this means more people might have the chance to see Macross... like the dub or not, this will also garner more interest.

This is as exciting, if even more so, then the Animeigo release. We should be celebrating, not spending all these last several pages bitching and moaning.

[Steve Yun]

Hi everyone

Just to promote the fact that Mari is on the cast for ADV's release of Macross, we're doing a fan interview with Mari, where you get to post questions to Mari on our forum and we'll pass on the 10-20 best questions to her (or maybe she'll pick them out, we haven't decided yet) and we'll post her answers in about 2-3 weeks.

Go here to submit your question for Mari:

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...d=24&id=1448158

Also, here is a picture of her a couple days after the announcement was made:

Edited October 27, 2005 by Steve Yun

[Mr March]

Oh dear...

[EXO]

That's a great oppurtunity for Macross fans to actually interact with Minmay's voice herself. I don't have any questions but I'll be watching that thread.

[azrael]

Oh dear...

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I sense a vergence in the Force.....centered around this announcement...

Edited October 27, 2005 by azrael

[Agent ONE]

Hi everyone

Just to promote the fact that Mari is on the cast for ADV's release of Macross, we're doing a fan interview with Mari, where you get to post questions to Mari on our forum and we'll pass on the 10-20 best questions to her (or maybe she'll pick them out, we haven't decided yet) and we'll post her answers in about 2-3 weeks.

Go here to submit your question for Mari:

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/re...d=24&id=1448158

Also, here is a picture of her a couple days after the announcement was made:

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AAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

You and you other whores at Robotech are rehashing the SAME footage from the 80's for yet ANOTHER time just to squese one more fukin dime out of it. Have you no shame!? Odly enough... I am actually going to buy this, so I won't be punching you in the face untill blood comes out of your anus (which was my original plan).

[Hurin]

And I was just about to say something along the lines of: "I hope we can all treat Mr. Yun with respect despite our feelings towards what has happened to Macross at the hands of HG."

But, then I thought, nah, we have a track record of respecting Mr. Yun here and there is very little personal ill will towards those who run the RT.com site. No such post is really needed since I'm sure everyone will be courteous.

Apparently, I was wrong.

Edited October 27, 2005 by Hurin

[Max Jenius]

I might actually check this out. Perhaps an awesome dub will finally come. As long as no Robotech cast are in starring roles. Reba West getting shoved out is a plus.

[Wesker99]

Apparently, I was wrong. 

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Yeah, I don't like what Harmony Gold is doing as much as the next Macrossworlder, but I'm at least glad something's being done right with Macross in America..

Edited October 27, 2005 by Wesker99

[Agent ONE]

And I was just about to say something along the lines of:  "I hope we can all treat Mr. Yun with respect despite our feelings towards what has happened to Macross at the hands of HG."

But, then I thought, nah, we have a track record of respecting Mr. Yun here and there is very little personal ill will towards those who run the RT.com site.  No such post is really needed since I'm sure everyone will be courteous.

Apparently, I was wrong. 

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What the hell are you talkin about? Steve Yun is my new best friend... I just had to get the "piss on HG" thing off my chest.

[EXO]

It's not like Steve's gonna post again, it's probably a one time deal, now he's just gonna sit back and laugh at all the stupid things that we post.

Anyway, what are you guys waiting for... ask Mari some question and please don't make Trekky type asses of yourselves.

[Sumdumgai]

AgentOne if the dub turns out to be bad, go ahead an carry out your original plan.

I refuse to say they're doing somethign right until it's proven.

HG has a crap track record in my eyes, and ADV has a poor track record as well. It's very dangerous putting those two together, they can't handle a dub, I don't trust them.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by not lighting any torches or brandishing any pitchforks, yet.

I say patience. I got a bad feeling on the dub, but I'll wait to see if it's bad before I unleash the monkeys that fling poo.

[Agent ONE]

I bet Steve, Tom and Tommy are having a good time reading this thread.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

we are talking about pimping women, selling drugs, killing homeless, sexual content (none of this crap is glorified in Arnold movies)... Space Invaders was a violent game, but nobody bitched about that, its the newer games that really push an extreem. I personally wouldn't want my nephew who is 11 to play San Andreas or any game like it.

I agree I wouldn't want mine either. ..But I'm skeptical the laws will actually change anything since parents will ignore it and buy the game for thier kid. The way I saw it was that it's just a kneejerk reaction to violent school shootings, and videogames just happen to be today's scapegoat. Just like comics, rock music, dungeouns and dragons etc caused the violent killings and not the individual.

I don't see the difference between this and the godfather movies. I just get pissed off when somebody who holds views that are too conservative starts to treat other entertainment mediums different from the others and goes on massive witchhunt. Remember all that hype about the hot coffee thing? The two people weren't even nude. And the feauture is not supposed to be accessible. Contrast that to what you see in any movie, and I see a huuuuge imbalance in fairness, and lack of common sense. So why don't they apply the same strict rules to other entertainment mediums?

This is why I like a more medieval setting by playing games like morrowind where its ok to steal, kill, murder, assassinate innocents because the good guys have given you the authority to do what you want cause the emperor is your buddy. You're still a good guy because you;re doing good things too. See? It all evens out.

The one positive thing is that now parents have no excuses for sueing companies for thier kid's behaviour if that kid decides to go all trenchcoat mafia on people. (so the two things cancel each other out)These types of kids are just cowards whose lawyers will use any excuse to get them off easy. (even if that includes blaming games companies, movies, books, music etc for thier killing and people start to believe it)

And now for something completely different [takes meds]:

The end of the world will come in 2012 when the Mayan calendar resets, and the zentraedi bombards the planet's surface. Then the zentraedi will crashland and think it's safe. BUT. The left-over energy from their weapons and the earth's soil will cause the dead to rise from their graves, and a zombie horde will take over the surface of the earth. And there will be zentraedi super-zombies. And all will perish, consumed by the horde.

Before you laugh read this:

http://www.letusreason.org/NAM24.htm

^ the coming messiah might could be a demonic alien from another dimension that the new age cults have been waiting for all this time

http://rense.com/general68/nasaisnt.htm

^

Could NASA be covering up knowledge of the ancient protoculture? There is probably an ancient memory plate with a song there somewhere.

http://www.contenderministries.org/UN/unwatch.php

^

notice how the whole world is slowly being taken over by the united nations and globalised? Global consciousness. Very similar to the "hive mind" you see in lots of sci-fiction or in fantasy: ie Lord Of The Rings' One Ring which is used to bind the world leaders and enslave them with its power.

You will all be assimilated by the humanistic borg; who will rape you of your individual identity and dehumanise you, and you must all join the new age hippy cult to form the magick mind link that brings the messiah into being who solves all the world's problems and brings everlasting love and peace.

If you look closely, what happens in macross zero to all the cultures that can't fight? They get destroyed and absorbed by the UN Forces. And any resistance (anti-un) is destroyed by the UNG. The Holy Floating Head is trying to tell us something...The ancient aliens that had thier civilisation here and left advanced alien tech behind also allowed humans to inherit that power through our reverse engineering to make more advanced weapons for war, which in turn allows us to make the same mistake "they", the "Protoculture", or "First" Culture, made when they wiped themselves out. And the cycle repeats until our world is destroyed apocaylptically, (as foretold in all the ancient legends) and a new race evolves from the ashes to start again, (like the mythical Phoenix which is what the name of that VF0 is named after) ad infinatum.. Notice when the Phoenix (the VF-0) rises into the air to be reborn into heaven/space anew like the phoenix? ie Phoenix = death-rebirth cycle of all living things.

That is why many people didn't understand the ending to macross zero. Shin's ascendance into heaven (complete with angel feathers and flying upwards) was merely symoblic. I'm quite certain what you saw was his physical body die and get immersed into water, (baptism?) but his spiritual body or Astral Body was what flew into space. This is why there really was not a real damaged valk that could survive out there in space. Because it was just part of his ghost. (although it didn't appear that way because his body looked solid) And the others witnessed it with thier eyes (like a Virgin Mary sighting) but, like the titanic, the physical remains of the plane are probably still floating under the ocean somewhere.

..Ah that reminds me to go and see the doom movie.

Edited October 28, 2005 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Twoducks]

If they made decent subs for the ADV release I might pick it up. How decent were the AnimEigo subs compared to Anime Fiends fansubs? And, was AnimEigo’s remastering worth it?

[Hurin]

If they made decent subs for the ADV release I might pick it up. How decent were the AnimEigo subs compared to Anime Fiends fansubs? And, was AnimEigo’s  remastering worth it?

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Animeigo's subs were nearly perfect. First-rate. The remastering was also top-notch. You can't find Macross looking any better.

H

[JB0]

But seriously, sexual content in video games is nothing new either. Here's but a couple, including the very first. "Custer's Revenge" of 1980 had the player take control of a naked (except for cavalry hat and neckerchief) General George Armstrong Custer whose mission was to make it through heavy arrow fire to have sex with a naked Indian lass.

I'm NOT making this up. Seriously. (warning. probably not work-safe.)

Needless to say, this game managed to cheese off everybody: Women's groups who saw a new avenue for objectification, Native American groups angered at the treatment of Native Americans in the game, "Custer was right" nutjobs who felt their martyr was being maligned, and the gaming community saddled with this turkey.

I find it hard to believe Custer's REvenge stirred up a lot of controversy, mainly because virtually no one knew it(or any of Mystique/PlayAround's other games) existed.

Cathouse was another. You play a guy with special needs, and have to run around to houses of ill fame with the vice squad hot on your...um...tail.

I think you mean Cathouse Blues.

Not surprisingly, another Playaround title.

I feel obliged to point out X-Man, mainly because of the flakey name.

According to AtariAge, this one has documented controversy, which served to restrict it's availability far beyond that of the Mystique/Playaround titles.