Fortress_Maximus Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Exactly! The main reason why the tracker went down was because the person maintaining it said there basically was no point. There are less than six dedicated dealers domestically, and handful of scumbag POS scalpers (which we identified and discussed in this thread). The rest of the dealers are closed. Edited July 16, 2018 by Fortress_Maximus Quote
tepidarium Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 Which is worse - missing out on a cel when a dealer updates a site or getting shill bid on YJ or sniped on an eBay auction? I'm tired of both. Is there no peaceful way to acquire art? Yeah, I know the answer: demand creates the crazy market. Quote
jvmacross Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 There is hardly anything on ebay you should feel bad about losing out on since 99% of the time you could have bought it off YJA if you really wanted it.......buying off ebay usually means you are supporting a POS scalper as Fortress has stated... I have never seen a cel on one of the dealer sites that hasn't sat on the site collecting digital dust before someone finally bends over for it....so basically Anime Link.... So basically, the scenario that is worse is losing a cel via YJA......if there is any shill bidding going on at YJA it never really goes beyond what the cel is really worth....shill bidders don't want to get stuck with something they really do not want so they drop off before the real bidding starts.... I have to say the biggest problem on YJA cel auctions is urbantreasurehunter....the guy bids on everything.....but if it is something you really want, he will usually back off as he has to make a profit out of the purchase/sale......but he does make the sale go higher than it would sometimes....so that would be the closest thing to a shill bidder, although I think the definition of a shill bidder is one that is either the seller himself or a buddy artificially making the price go higher with no intention of actually being the high bidder.... Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 Yes jvmacross you are correct. You accurately defined a shill bidder and the state of evilbay's inventory. Also concur the biggest issue for existing cel collectors now are POS scalpers like urbantreasurehunterjapan and small wannabe's like silvrdrago and saraliso. No scalper helps other people let alone collectors. Scalpers are just self-centered, greedy and directly creating more problems for the average collector. As harsh as it may sound, either you beat them at their own game or quit the game entirely. Quote
tepidarium Posted July 16, 2018 Posted July 16, 2018 It's true, I didn't mention that my eBay comment related to auctions that are now over 15 years old! I bought quite a number of excellent cels that I treasure on eBay in the late 90s and early 2000s. As for shill bidding on YJ, one can never really know if it is occurring but I believe Rinkya, at one point, only used one user name which allowed for easy identification of the bidding service and could possibly have served to motivate shill bidders. Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Cel inventory circa late 1990s to early 2000s is vastly different than today. Gone are the multitude of cel dealers. Gone are the excellent selection from dealers, online, and even with cel communities. Gone are the annual sales. Gone are even the majority of sellers and suppliers to them. Point is what is left are scraps and these POS scalpers are merely worsening the collecting environment. As for shill bidding it is a moot point after YJA changed how usernames appear and how activities can be tracked. Now you can be bidding but you neither know against whom and you cannot determine the final winner. IMO, just focus on the real issue, namely whether or not to stay in the cel collecting game or not. That is the only thing ultimately that you can control, everything else, is noise. Good luck. Quote
tepidarium Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 The "boom" in cel collecting during the early internet years was a one and done. Small-time dealers setting up virtual shops online with low overhead and a generation of people demanding production art from the last wave of celluloid animated productions with good supply from the origin country all came together to create the market as it was. Yes, it's been bone dry for some time. Quote
jvmacross Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Mandarake is the only place that consistently seems to have some interesting cels these days....but the prices seem to always go higher that YJA for some reason....and you know they are either paying next to nothing for them or charging a high commission to sell them on their site.... Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Mandarake is famous for low balling offer prices when buying from private collectors. I've worked with them in the past and they are terrible if you ever consider consignment. Also their final sale prices generally go higher because there is simply more interest. Some of their items listed over 10,000 yen will come with a certificate which in and of itself is utterly useless and not worth anything. But to some collectors they feel it is like a certificate of authenticity. Also final sale prices for their store, auctions, and BWA are generally higher than YJA largely due to collectors being aware they refresh inventory, so if they want the item they must fight hard to own it. On YJA and evilbay items can languish for years, which is of no benefit to anyone. Moreover compared to cel dealers, Mandarake has a deep pipeline that no one can match. But as the previous comments noted, none of this matters unless you the collector are willing to participate or allow bastard scumbag POS like urbantreasurehunterjapan and the numerous wannabes to continue to operate. Quote
JetJockey Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 I can't remember if it was posted but does anyone have those Macross limited reproduction cels from the opening of the old Sega Saturn game? There was one of Hikaru from pretty much this shot. Also one of Minmay from I assume the ending, I haven't played the game in a while. And also do you know how / where those were sold originally? I think they were sold framed but I can't remember. I'm pretty sure they came with some kind of numbered certificate. Thanks. Quote
jvmacross Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Yeah....they come framed in boxes....forgot the story on these but they were limited and it was just the Hikaru and Minmay as you pointed out.....produced in limited quantity by a cel dealer in Japan called Anime World Star... http://www.anime-world-star.com/docs/002.html Quote
Mokman Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Yes they come with a certificate from Anime World Star. It states that they were released on 7/22/2000, at a price of 30,000 JPY for the set, and are limited to 100 sets. They are indeed reproductions of game footage that was not originally created with cels. Mine are #71 and #75 (I didn't buy them at the same time/from the same source). Of interest, I took the back off one and discovered they are hand painted cels on copy backgrounds, not printed cels as some limited editions are. Edited July 17, 2018 by Mokman Quote
JetJockey Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Thanks for the details on those DYRL game cels. I might try to get the Hikaru one someday if it turns up. Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted August 5, 2018 Posted August 5, 2018 Does it matter? Even if a set appears it runs north of $450. Hardly a starter cel. Quote
juice14 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 (edited) Dear gurus, Recently won the following cel off Yahoo Auctions.... Seller marked it as a large size.... was wondering how this size ended up being used in production? Its about 25% larger than all my other cels at 38x33cm. Anyone know? Edited August 21, 2018 by juice14 Quote
jvmacross Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, juice14 said: Dear gurus, Recently won the following cel off Yahoo Auctions.... Seller marked it as a large size.... was wondering how this size ended up being used in production? Its about 25% larger than all my other cels at 38x33cm. Anyone know? Usually an oversized cel is used for a scene that the director wants to pan....not as familiar with the M7 episodes so not sure which episode or scene it was used in......time for a rewatch? Quote
juice14 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, jvmacross said: Usually an oversized cel is used for a scene that the director wants to pan....not as familiar with the M7 episodes so not sure which episode or scene it was used in......time for a rewatch? Ooh..... I must confess I only managed 3/4 and the rest was on fast forward haha..... yeah is time for M7 again Quote
juice14 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Finally managed to upload my stuff to an album in the Forums.... thanks for all the advice guys and happy collecting! Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Nice collection juice14! Thanks for sharing. Quote
jvmacross Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 2 hours ago, juice14 said: Ooh..... I must confess I only managed 3/4 and the rest was on fast forward haha..... yeah is time for M7 again LOL....the problem with M7 is that it starts so slow.....gets better at the end....only 1/4 left for you....do it! LOL Nice collection....I like the Fire Valk cel! Quote
juice14 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, jvmacross said: LOL....the problem with M7 is that it starts so slow.....gets better at the end....only 1/4 left for you....do it! LOL Nice collection....I like the Fire Valk cel! Thanks..... its the only one I have that is of a Valk ... I like that it has different layers with artwork and background.... Now all I need is one with a VF-1 too.... Quote
jvmacross Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, juice14 said: Thanks..... its the only one I have that is of a Valk ... I like that it has different layers with artwork and background.... Now all I need is one with a VF-1 too.... ...That's what you think is all you need....after you get that VF-1 cel you'll want to get your hands on a cel of every hand-drawn VF ever made! Welcome to the cel collector club....all you need to join is moneyTM Quote
juice14 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, jvmacross said: ...That's what you think is all you need....after you get that VF-1 cel you'll want to get your hands on a cel of every hand-drawn VF ever made! Welcome to the cel collector club....all you need to join is moneyTM I was thinking start with 1J..... then maybe Fokker 1S..... then.... haha Quote
JetJockey Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 17 hours ago, juice14 said: Dear gurus, Recently won the following cel off Yahoo Auctions.... Seller marked it as a large size.... was wondering how this size ended up being used in production? Its about 25% larger than all my other cels at 38x33cm. Anyone know? I've seen a few larger and pan sized Macross cels before. I posted that Minmay DYRL one before that I should have purchased. Quote
juice14 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 On 8/25/2018 at 11:03 PM, jvmacross said: Added another TV pilot Hikaru....bought it to match the similarly posed DYRL pilot Hikaru cel I have....maybe I can mount them on a double frame... Man this one is a nice one..... full view.... great reference for my future uniform haha Quote
jvmacross Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 12:29 AM, juice14 said: Man this one is a nice one..... full view.... great reference for my future uniform haha Making a TV pilot costume? Quote
juice14 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 10 hours ago, jvmacross said: Making a TV pilot costume? Yup.... I already did one for the uniform off Taobao..... but the pilot suit I think need a local tailor so discussing now Quote
jvmacross Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, juice14 said: Yup.... I already did one for the uniform off Taobao..... but the pilot suit I think need a local tailor so discussing now Cool Quote
JetJockey Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) Anyone here win the Macross TV cel of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay? Edited September 7, 2018 by JetJockey Quote
elrdf Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JetJockey said: Anyone here win the Macross TV cel of Hikaru, Misa, and Minmay? Edited September 7, 2018 by elrdf Quote
jvmacross Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Didn't feel the cel justified the final auction value....back of Hikaru's and Minmay's heads = easy pass Of course that wouldn't matter to the scumbag scalpers operating on ebay these days since they will double the prices on them anyways.....hopefully someone who was actually buying it for their own enjoyment nabbed it Quote
Mokman Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 I missed the end of it. What did it go for? Quote
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