jvmacross Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Fortress_Maximus said: Indeed. Looks like the same deadbeat seller is still trying to fraudulantly pass off a counterfeit as authentic. Looks like this cockroach is trying to capitalize on the naivite of some buyers. Buyer beware I suppose Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 @ elrdf: As a new cel collector you may not know this but deputy services cannot do anything regarding bad sellers on YJA. It is not their problem or in their interest to police and/or enforce against counterfeiters. If you enter the collecting world the onus is on you to conduct your own due diligence. Quote
elrdf Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fortress_Maximus said: @ elrdf: As a new cel collector you may not know this but deputy services cannot do anything regarding bad sellers on YJA. It is not their problem or in their interest to police and/or enforce against counterfeiters. If you enter the collecting world the onus is on you to conduct your own due diligence. Agreed and that is what I do. Thanks, hopefully I'll get some help with figuring out how to get a background copy of that shot above for a cel I want to frame. Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) No one will provide you matching backgrounds or help you obtain one; you need to do all the work yourself. If you really want a matching background color copy for any cel, you need to match it up to the precise shot and test screen captures. You will still need to make adjustments in photoshop or another editor and test printing high end color copies on the right type of paper. All of this is laborious and may not be worth it if you a) have not learned how to properly preserve artworks, b) are happy using a non-matching background, or c) do not care to invest more time and monies when no background suffices. Edited May 29, 2018 by Fortress_Maximus Quote
elrdf Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 I'm not too certain how to do the photoshop or have to have it printed larger. Anyone you know I can send the image to nad have someone mail it or should I Look on fiverr? Thanks Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 No. As I explained you will need to dedicate the time and energy to do the work yourself, unless you hire someone which may not be worth it for low end cels. Quote
jvmacross Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Hmmmm? https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b316466133 .....sold for 24,001 JPY.......the bidder at 24,000 should be happy... https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b316466137 ....sold for 22,500 Edited June 20, 2018 by jvmacross Quote
jvmacross Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) here is another from the same seller....sold for 30,000 JPY https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b316466141 Guessing we may be seeing these on eBay pretty soon..... Edited June 20, 2018 by jvmacross Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Again counterfeiters are returning and unfortunately uncareful buyers are buying. Hopefully our good friend UTHJ bought these. Edited June 20, 2018 by Fortress_Maximus Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 Counterfeiters are the top reason why buyers need to conduct their due diligence. Even seasoned dealers have missed well made counterfeits. New collectors like yourself need to dedicate a lot of time and energy to study art and learn more, otherwise you risk becoming duped. Quote
jvmacross Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Fortress_Maximus said: Hopefully our good friend UTHJ bought these. LOL Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 One thing that is odd is how did the counterfeiters remove the pre-printed signatures? JVMacross don't you own these reproduction coloring cel kits? Is it relatively easy to remove the signatures? Quote
jvmacross Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Fortress_Maximus said: One thing that is odd is how did the counterfeiters remove the pre-printed signatures? JVMacross don't you own these reproduction coloring cel kits? Is it relatively easy to remove the signatures? it would be simple to just trace it onto a new cel sheet....that is what is done by that fan cel artist on eBay....basically the "pre-paint" sheets look like this.... Wonder if this one from AnimeLink was a fake?..... Edited June 20, 2018 by jvmacross Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Hmm it is plausable for the counterfeiters to create their own tracelines. But it would make more sense to do reproductions for most memorable scenes or even hankens. This most recent batch were fairly obviously non-production cels from the same shots as the paint-it yourself sets. As for the recently sold cel from AL it is authentic. Quote
Oden Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) On 6/20/2018 at 8:11 AM, jvmacross said: here is another from the same seller....sold for 30,000 JPY https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b316466141 Guessing we may be seeing these on eBay pretty soon..... No doubt. Edited June 23, 2018 by Oden Quote
jvmacross Posted June 23, 2018 Posted June 23, 2018 At the price paid.....perhaps ignorance is bliss..... Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Nice sequence jvmacross! And yes we will probably see those counterfeit cels appearing on ebay very soon. The seller probably did not know they were counterfeits as they post a wide variety of authentic cels and other anime goods. Quote
jvmacross Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Fortress_Maximus said: Nice sequence jvmacross! Thanks! Need your opinion on something....PM sent Quote
jvmacross Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 used your advice and ran the other direction! Quote
jvmacross Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 BTW......Urban's really gone cray-cray this time! ...25% off!!! https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACROSS-TV-ROBOTECH-EPISODE-4-ANIME-PRODUCTION-CEL/163114946210?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D39d28c51f3e34097873c780a846bfe3e%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D401557441617%26itm%3D163114946210&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A8fdb5602-78b5-11e8-8b37-74dbd180e995|parentrq%3A389d31381640ad79d8f1f6a0fffbd3c9|iid%3A1 https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACROSS-TV-ROBOTECH-FINAL-EPISODE-36-ANIME-PRODUCTION-CEL/401557441617?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D39d28c51f3e34097873c780a846bfe3e%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D401557441617%26itm%3D401557441617&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A8fdb5602-78b5-11e8-8b37-74dbd180e995|parentrq%3A389d31381640ad79d8f1f6a0fffbd3c9|iid%3A1 Quote
DarkArchon3000 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 WOW! Really? Those are nice cels but that asking price is CRAZY! Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 Our friend urbantreasurehunterjapan is such a considerate and wonderful seller, he keeps thinking of ways to help us save our hard earned monies. @jvmacross Glad you avoided the auction. Doubt those were authentic. Quote
Oden Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 I remember seeing those cels up for auction somewhere before in the not so distant past. Does anyone recall? Quote
tepidarium Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Oden said: I remember seeing those cels up for auction somewhere before in the not so distant past. Does anyone recall? They were on Yahoo Japan at the beginning of the year. The auction contained six cels - these were the two best. The lot went for roughly 1000 USD. The ebay treasure hunter is looking to turn a nice profit... Quote
jvmacross Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Originally......7750 JPY https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k302245527 Now.....25% off!!! https://m.ebay.com/itm/MACROSS-ROBOTECH-MILIA-TV-ANIME-PRODUCTION-CEL-2/401540506549?hash=item5d7dade3b5:g:naUAAOSw95lbAdgE Quote
tepidarium Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, jvmacross said: Originally......7750 JPY https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k302245527 Now.....25% off!!! https://m.ebay.com/itm/MACROSS-ROBOTECH-MILIA-TV-ANIME-PRODUCTION-CEL-2/401540506549?hash=item5d7dade3b5:g:naUAAOSw95lbAdgE It only takes one person to prove the seller right... Macross was guilty of poor illustration at times. Seeing this image reminds me of that. There are some really great shots of Milia. This isn't one of them. The scene is significant, though. And there's the conundrum, collect well illustrated images or important images. Sometimes the important ones are poor visual examples of the character. Quote
jvmacross Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, tepidarium said: It only takes one person to prove the seller right... Sadly Quote
elrdf Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Nah, this dude is simply not cool. If you get a cel for 70 and resell it for 200-250 I understand it's cool but 380? The Japanese sell stuff at SUCH high price for example Yngwie strats that you can buy in USA for like 1,600 new they would sell for like 3-4k. their culture is different too no bargaining etc.. Anyways, is Urban Japanese where is he in canada or japan? I tried to buy from him before he NEVER responds to ANY messages. Quote
jvmacross Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 Everyone here knows about urban....been a long running joke....don't really think anyone here thinks he or what he does is cool.... Quote
Fortress_Maximus Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 Urbantreasurehunterjapan (UTHJ) is the recipient of countless jokes and the focus of massive disdain among cel collectors. He operates out of Japan but his English is terrible and he does not bother to communicate; so do not waste your energy. This seller is the definition of a price gouger; he absolutely does not care about the cel and artwork communities he harms. He is a prime example of what is wrong with this hobby when he deliberately flips artwork with mark ups exceeding 300%. Sadly it just takes one buyer to support his practices. I've encountered at least three collectors who purchased from UTHJ and paid excessively inflated prices. Most are seasoned collectors so they know what he does, but unfortunately they do not care where they obtain their drug of choice as it were. And in regards to whether or not anyone on the MW forums think UTHJ is cool, lets just say if you review the older posts you will find some users that inaccurately believe UTHJ provides a service. Quote
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