Roys Death

[KingNor]

After watching the SDF episode where Roy dies again, I got the impression that he didn't actually drop dead in Claudias living room and that he just collapsed.

I think now that there was probably a fairly lengthy time before he actually died and when he collapsed too.

My reason is basicly, they changed the setting to very dark (usually a stark change like that is to try and show time passing) and the fact he was disrobed in a hospital bed.

Usually i think medics only rip open clothes to perform emergency medical work at the last minute, i don't think they undress and bed people that are DOA.

Just my thoughts. I hope thats the way it played out because i'd always thought Roys death was written a bit oddly.

thoughts?

Edited July 26, 2005 by KingNor

[JB0]

After watching the SDF episode where Roy dies again, I got the impression that he didn't actually drop dead in Claudias living room and that he just collapsed.

I think now that there was probably a fairly lengthy time before he actually died and when he collapsed too.

My reason is basicly, they changed the setting to very dark (usually a stark change like that is to try and show time passing)  and the fact he was disrobed in a hospital bed.

Usually i think medics  only rip open clothes to perform emergency medical work at the last minute, i don't think they undress and bed people that are DOA.

Just my thoughts.  I hope thats the way it played out because i'd always thought Roys death was written a bit oddly.

thoughts?

314281[/snapback]

It's a reasonable look at things.

As I recall, the doctor's also telling Claduia that there was too much bleeding, indicating that they did work.

I don't think he was ever intended to have just dropped dead immediatly.

[Goshawk]

Your right JBO. THey did, cause when he landed the mechtechs lookded in his Valk and and said something "Hey look at this!"

[garoquel]

yeah I can see that although a lot of thinngs in Macross are messed up and only happen for the story's sake, since Roys cockpit was all shot up and no one bothered to look for him, where was his crew chief or a a team of medics to rush him to sick bay.

we should just believe he got back changed out of his fligth suit, slaped a bandage, went to Claudias place and croaked in her living room.

Indeed

Garoquel

[wolfx]

Well...you have to admit, that was a stylish death.

[Renato]

I don't remember Roy being disrobed. In fact, I clearly recall him lying dead in a huge, dark hospital room full of nothing,still in his uniform, which I thought was ridiculous.

[JB0]

yeah I can see that although a lot of thinngs in Macross are messed up and only happen for the story's sake, since Roys cockpit was all shot up and no one bothered to look for him, where was his crew chief or a a team of medics to rush him to sick bay.

we should just believe he got back changed out of his fligth suit, slaped a bandage, went to Claudias place and croaked in her living room.

Indeed 

Garoquel

314560[/snapback]

They didn't know he'd taken flak.

Valk maintainence presumably doesn't occur until after the jets have cooled down a bit, so by the time the maintenence guys climbed up and peeked in his cockpit, he was already passed out at Claudia's place.

[EXO]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?

[JB0]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

[Boxer]

And yet there were no holes in the couch after he fell off of it..

I'd think with the bulletholes in his back someone would have seen them when he was driving around beforehand, after he got out of his fighter. I don't recal him seeing a doctor at all after he was injured in combat.

Edited July 27, 2005 by Boxer

[EXO]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

It was to keep him from singing, if you've heard him sing, you'd shoot him in the back too. it's a wonder Reba West is still alive.

[JB0]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

It was to keep him from singing, if you've heard him sing, you'd shoot him in the back too. it's a wonder Reba West is still alive.

314590[/snapback]

Ah. Well, as long as it was for a good cause.

[EXO]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

It was to keep him from singing, if you've heard him sing, you'd shoot him in the back too. it's a wonder Reba West is still alive.

314590[/snapback]

Ah. Well, as long as it was for a good cause.

314595[/snapback]

hell yeah... after his death they donated his gonads to Hikaru... that's how come Hikaru stop being such a little kid.

Edited July 27, 2005 by >EXO<

[Wes]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

I think it was Lynn Kyle. Just because he was that much of a jerk.

[grss1982]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

It was to keep him from singing, if you've heard him sing, you'd shoot him in the back too. it's a wonder Reba West is still alive.

314590[/snapback]

[Ido]

In the italian dub, is said to hikaru that Roy died in the hospital, don't know how much is correct.

[Renato]

In the italian dub, is said to hikaru that Roy died in the hospital, don't know how much is correct.

314647[/snapback]

In the original script he is told that Roy died in the very same hospital that Hikaru was in at the moment.

[Guest Bromgrev]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

Were those actually holes? Or just blood soaking through from inside the jacket? Not to derail the conspiracy theories.

Still my favourite death, though.

[akabob]

I think he knew he was going to die, wanted to see Claudia one last time and skipped the protocol headed straight to her place. He had the guitar in front of him to keep things as pleasant as possible until he finally fell.

[Goshawk]

If anyone knows, just for info sake (if anyone flew in the service), what is the standard thing to do after a combat pilot lands?

I.E. are they supposed to be debriefed first, checked over by a medic, do they go over the condition of their plane on their own, write a report, etc?

I'm guessing there has to be a standard set of things to do. I know competitive boxers are required to be checked out by a doctor after each fight no matter how long the fight was and how lightly the guy got knocked around.

Just curious in general.

314615[/snapback]

As far as I know, though I was in the Army but I am looking at this from a helicoptors pilots point, they might be close They have to go though a AAR, After Action Report changed uniforms at the same time slaping on a badage, and heded to see Claudia

Edited July 27, 2005 by Goshawk

[EXO]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

Were those actually holes? Or just blood soaking through from inside the jacket? Not to derail the conspiracy theories.

Still my favourite death, though.

314653[/snapback]

I think they actually drew holes, but only to make sure you know that he got shot... it'd be weird if it was just blood stains.

Edited July 28, 2005 by >EXO<

[Zentrandude]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

GASP! THE SPIES DID IT!

...

Why did I never catch that?

314588[/snapback]

I think it was Lynn Kyle. Just because he was that much of a jerk.

314598[/snapback]

then he went back in time and killed JFK.

[kanedaestes]

I am currently in the airforce and I know that after any opertion big or small, especially a battle that u would have to fill out an after action repoort, as well as get debriefed, so my guess is he snuck off cause he did know he was going to die, and he wanted to see claudia before he passed

[VF-18S Hornet]

It was the..sniff .... saddest death I .... sniff.... ever seen. Any body got a virtual issue?

Edited July 28, 2005 by VF-18S Hornet

[JB0]

Given it was Roy, he may've just ducked out on principle.

(admittedly, it'd be hard to miss that you had 3 bloody holes in your back while you were changing clothes, though)

Edited July 28, 2005 by JB0

[VF-18S Hornet]

Whoa JBO you're still up at this time of night?

[JB0]

Whoa JBO you're still up at this time of night?

315003[/snapback]

I'm up at all times of night.

Besides, it wasn't even 10 here when you posted that.

...

I lie. Time stamps are off by an hour(DAMN YOU DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME!).

Either way , though... I'm very much a night person.

Edited July 28, 2005 by JB0

[grss1982]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

Were those actually holes? Or just blood soaking through from inside the jacket? Not to derail the conspiracy theories.

Still my favourite death, though.

314653[/snapback]

I think they actually drew holes, but only to make sure you know that he got shot... it'd be weird if it was just blood stains.

314941[/snapback]

those holes are kindda small if he was hit by a zentraedi mecha's weapon directly? or are they more likely shrapnel wounds?

[hellohikaru]

Probably minor sharpnel damage. Its hard to see he took direct hit from Zentraedi beam weapons otherwise there would be a gaping hole through his chest.

[JB0]

Roy was shot while sitting on the couch... how do you think the holes are on his officer uniform not on his flightsuit backpack?   

314581[/snapback]

Were those actually holes? Or just blood soaking through from inside the jacket? Not to derail the conspiracy theories.

Still my favourite death, though.

314653[/snapback]

I think they actually drew holes, but only to make sure you know that he got shot... it'd be weird if it was just blood stains.

http://site.voila.fr/kami.no.namida/bscap054.jpg

314941[/snapback]

those holes are kindda small if he was hit by a zentraedi mecha's weapon directly? or are they more likely shrapnel wounds?

315077[/snapback]

I thought it was implied they were shrapnel wounds.

Particularly as the location of the wounds means they'd've had to shoot through a good chunk of plane fuselage to hit him.

[Twoducks]

Untill I saw the series again I always thought that it was Miriya who killed him . They aired that episode cut when I was a kid (including the fight inside the ship between Max and Miriya).

Poor Miriya, I hated her for nothing.

[Witchblade]

Untill I saw the series again I always thought that it was Miriya who killed him  . They aired that episode cut when I was a kid (including the fight inside the ship between Max and Miriya).

Poor Miriya, I hated her for nothing.

315601[/snapback]

I always thought the same thing. It seemed perfectly logical that she would have picked out Roy while looking for the greatest enemy pilot, then only after he was defeated so easily realized that it wasn't him. Now I'm going to have to rewatch that episode to see what did happen when he got hit.

But I never had any ill feelings towards her - it ain't like Roy went out like a sucka.

(and certainly not in DYRL?)

[KingNor]

great piloting = not crashing

getting shot down in war = random.

living through war is luck, not skill in MOST cases. most likely roy was shot by random bullets that wern't even meant for him.

[Zentrandude]

"in war you have to accept your luck" bots2

Edited August 17, 2005 by Zentrandude