VF5SS Posted January 15, 2009 Posted January 15, 2009 Well, can't blame him for the lack of material with the franchise really quiet at the moment. Except for some blurbs about merchendise, "movie" updates, and convention panels, who knows what the situation is. I guess I can't blame Tommy Yune for digging through the corpse of a dead TV show.
Einherjar Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 For a series in the process of reviving itself, you have to wonder sometimes what is really going on behind the scenes with this silent treatment. Besides existing productions, online sources for Harmony Gold like the homepage, imdb, and wikipedia (who knows how reliable these sources are) doesn't mention anything new being worked on by the company since 07-08. Would it surprise anyone if something big like layoffs at HG, the IP getting sold to someone else, or the company going bankrupt happen out of nowhere? Anyone good in business or economics have a take on this?
jenius Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 HG is private so any supposition on their financial health wouldn't be worth anything. They're probably doing fantastic all things considered and their staff seems to be about 10 people deep at most so layoffs seem unlikely (and that 10 might include the two people who did CGI on Shadow Chronicles). They probably made money on the Shadow Chronicles and selling rights to WB and they're probably picking up a fraction on every Beta sold.
JB0 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 As I understand things, a trademark does NOT denote that you own the copyright to a product. Merely that you're using that brand. Especially since trademark is not restricted to the media. We've all seen the infamous Robotech pool cleaner. No one would argue that they own the Robotech cartoon/merchandise amalgamation. Or that Harmony Gold is claiming ownership of a pool cleaner. Now, I'm not denying that the Macross trademark would get ugly fast if anyone felt obliged to argue the point. But it doesn't denote that they're claiming they own the Macross copyright. In fact, HG has consistently designated Macross as a copyright of Tatsunoko Productions. They're certainly attempting to confuse the issue, but not in the way you claim.
Gubaba Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 The R.D.F. Underground podcast by Justy Ueki is back after a long hiatus and keeping the dream alive: http://www.rdfunderground.com/ Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Einherjar Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? After hearing his shows this week, I'm honestly not really sure. I think he's frustrated with the current Robotech situation like others and has branched out talking about other things as well. I guess I felt charitable and wanted to spread the word. Plus, I wanted to follow the rules about keeping Robotech drama in this thread for a change. Don't worry, he's harmless. Not like the other one.
Roger Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 They're probably doing fantastic all things considered and their staff seems to be about 10 people deep at most so layoffs seem unlikely (and that 10 might include the two people who did CGI on Shadow Chronicles). I believe the there are around 20 people at HG. The animation for Shadow Chronicles was done by a company in Korea.
taksraven Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 I believe the there are around 20 people at HG. The animation for Shadow Chronicles was done by a company in Korea. Do we have any idea of the budget for the Shadow Chronicles, just out of interest. And for that matter, how much did it take overall to purchase the rights and create the original "Robotech" series? Taksraven
Roger Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Do we have any idea of the budget for the Shadow Chronicles, just out of interest. And for that matter, how much did it take overall to purchase the rights and create the original "Robotech" series? Taksraven Tommy's discussed the Shadow Chronicles budget before, I believe it was in the neighborhood of $5 million. No idea how much those original rights were purchased for from Tatsunoko, but back in those days the exchange rate was around 250 yen to the dollar. It probably wasn't much.
Macross007 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 Tommy's discussed the Shadow Chronicles budget before, I believe it was in the neighborhood of $5 million. No idea how much those original rights were purchased for from Tatsunoko, but back in those days the exchange rate was around 250 yen to the dollar. It probably wasn't much. lol !!! $5 million for that piece of poo. I smell fraud ...
The Shade Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 lol !!! $5 million for that piece of poo. I smell fraud ... I just wonder how the budget was divided. Anyone have any educated guesses? And I won't accept an answer like 90% went to Yune and 10% for the rest. I would like real guesses.
Einherjar Posted January 17, 2009 Posted January 17, 2009 lol !!! $5 million for that piece of poo. I smell fraud ... From the animation company's side, DR Movie, it's probably more impressive when converted to Korean Wons. Current rates turn $5 million into ₩6759000000 (KRW).
VFTF1 Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 From the animation company's side, DR Movie, it's probably more impressive when converted to Korean Wons. Current rates turn $5 million into ₩6759000000 (KRW). By that line of thinking, people in Zimbabwe are swimming in cash. Last I heard, one dollar is equal to about four truck loads of Zimbabwe crap-bills. With a 2 million percent inflation rate, this means that tomorrow one dollar will be equal to 8..MILLION truck loads of Zimbabwe crap-bills. What counts in such conversions is purchasing powers, not zeros. I dunno. I have no clue what the production costs of making animated films are. Not a clue at all. 5 millions bucks sounds like a pretty low budget, though. Low budget doesn't necessarily mean "suckage." Robotech, however, does Pete
Einherjar Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Maybe they were trying to make a statement about the new direction of the franchise. "Yeah, we took material from other shows to make our series in the past, but now we have the resources to make our own stuff. No more novels, RPGs, and comic books, it's time for the big screen. And this only cost us $5 million, so suck on that Kawamori!" It also helps that the fandom is desperate for anything regardless of quality. They may rant about their products later, but in the end HG still has their $30-$200 per sale, or in Palladium Game's case from the "Crisis of Treachery," per pity sale.
Sdf Prime Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Just wondering was shadow chronicles released in Japan? I don't imagine that original robotech (macross, southern cross, mospeda) ever was.
taksraven Posted January 26, 2009 Posted January 26, 2009 Low budget doesn't necessarily mean "suckage." Low budget should never really mean suckage, it should just mean a lot of harder work with the potential to still make a good product. I apply the logic that usually its a case of the higher the budget the lazier the filmmaking. (Star Wars prequel series, anyone?) Taksraven
Roger Posted January 26, 2009 Posted January 26, 2009 Just wondering was shadow chronicles released in Japan? I don't imagine that original robotech (macross, southern cross, mospeda) ever was. No, there have never been any Robotech products released in Japan because HG's license doesn't include that territory. There is a Japanese fansub .SRT file that's available, though. I believe you can find it on Yaco's site.
Totoro242 Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Just wondering was shadow chronicles released in Japan? I don't imagine that original robotech (macross, southern cross, mospeda) ever was. Funny enough, it has been bootlegged in Japan... And it is still called Robotech and everything.
Sdf Prime Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Funny enough, it has been bootlegged in Japan... And it is still called Robotech and everything. Really, now that is interesting. I wonder what the Japanese fan opinion of robotech is then?
taksraven Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Really, now that is interesting. I wonder what the Japanese fan opinion of robotech is then? They would probably love it as much as they would love a film like The Magnificent Seven. Taksraven
Skullsixx Posted January 27, 2009 Posted January 27, 2009 Put it this way... I doubt there are any fansites for it.
RavenHawk Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Put it this way... I doubt there are any fansites for it. Actually, someone just posted a link to a Japanese Robotech fansite a week or so ago in one of these threads. Can't remember where it was right now.
JB0 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Actually, someone just posted a link to a Japanese Robotech fansite a week or so ago in one of these threads. Can't remember where it was right now. I've seen those before. It boggles the mind.
Protoculture Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I've seen those before. It boggles the mind. Hardly. If Japanese really don't give a frak about Macross (to much Gundam-loving there) that much, yet surprised over Western fan-base enthusiastic over all thing Macross, it shouldn't boggle the mind atleast a few of 'em may know a thing or two about Robotech. For all its worth, those minority might think RT is the English version of the original series, & that RTSC might be a GC Mospeada sequel done by Koreans.
Bri Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I remeber that thread seems RT was broadcasted on American television on Okinawa and some Japanese local fans picked it up there.
sketchley Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 I don't think so. Try: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AD%E3%...%83%83%E3%82%AF Regarding Shadow Chronicles in particular: Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles In 2002, Tommy Yune announced deployment of new work. This work will be "ROBOTEKKU in 2004. : It was named shadow force" (Robotech: Shadow Force). It is changed immediately and a title is "ROBOTEKKU. : It became shadow (SHADAU) chronicle" (Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles). The representative of the harmony gold company prepared the panel in the animation convention, and exhibited the CG animation of a production art or the pilot version. In the animation exposition in 2005, and comic Cong, the preview of finished goods is shown and this can be seen also on a website. 2005 used as the 20th anniversary of ROBOTEKKU Although completion of the year was aimed at, it was late in practice, and it was put on the market as a DVD in North America on February 6 (Australia is on March 7, 2007), 2007. A story is deployment with 30 minutes of the beginning also as used in the field of the remake version of the last round of The New Generation (muslin PIDA), and the episode from which Admiral Rick Hunter in whom only the name appeared in front of the 1 talk as mentioned above goes missing is also added. 1 hour of after that becomes new deployment, and a plot of Haydonites (HAIDO knitting and others) and the last's fighting are drawn. [ which are new enemy The children of shadow (children of a shadow) ] From the old series, Scott Bernard <stick Bernard>, Ariel <AISHA>, Regis <REFURESU>, and General Reinhardt (commander) appear. As a new character, Roy Fokker (Roy Fokker) and Hunter once as a scull leader which took the part Maia Sterling (Dana Sterling= handicap rear Farina JINASU = younger sister of Jeanne FURANSEZU) Moreover, Marcus (younger brother of Marlene <Merlene>) appears as one of heroes.
Sdf Prime Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Wow thats a lot of info in that wiki entry they even list the Jack McKinney novels.
taksraven Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Wow thats a lot of info in that wiki entry they even list the Jack McKinney novels. Robotech diehards are good at filling up the wikipedia with crap. I think that they take the view the more they write about RT, especially in places like the Wikipedia, the more "legitimate" RT becomes. :wacko: Taksraven Edited January 29, 2009 by taksraven
Einherjar Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Robotech diehards are good at filling up the wikipedia with crap. I think that they take the view the more they write about RT, especially in places like the Wikipedia, the more "legitimate" RT becomes. :wacko: Taksraven On the English version of wiki, I expected longer entries for the Robotech comics and novels with info on the individual storylines and concepts for each. In fact, even some character bios lack info from what happened to them in these entries. I don't know if it was ever noted before most of it was retconned out. Either these fans didn't have the time to do it or are expecting other people to buy the stuff and find out for themselves. Edited January 29, 2009 by Einherjar
JB0 Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Robotech diehards are good at filling up the wikipedia with crap. Them and everyone else.
taksraven Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 Them and everyone else. HEY! I fill up the Wikipedia with QUALITY!!! ;) Taksraven
Einherjar Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Robotech diehards are good at filling up the wikipedia with crap. Guess this will be put on the entry very soon: IESB Exclusive: Producer Chuck Roven Off Robotech I'm guessing he knows when to jump off a sinking ship or has more important things to do with his time.
Vostok 7 Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Tobey Maguire? I never realized Hik... *cough* I mean, Rick Hunter, was THAT wussy and whiney! Vostok 7
taksraven Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Guess this will be put on the entry very soon: IESB Exclusive: Producer Chuck Roven Off Robotech I'm guessing he knows when to jump off a sinking ship or has more important things to do with his time. So reading between the lines the project is in development hell (*big* surprise) and only has one possible star attached. I give it ten years at least, if we ever see it at all..... Taksraven
Einherjar Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) At this rate, they should suck in their pride and hire back Carl Macek or, if they're really desperate, Uwe Boll. At the very least he somehow has the assets to hire anyone and do all the effects they want. Btw, are they still paying people to get the film out the door while it's in development hell? Edited January 30, 2009 by Einherjar
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