Trekkies are pedophiles?

[Gaijin]

What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual?  It all depends on the country and culture.

US = under 18 = pedophilia

Actually, its on a state-by-state basis. Age of consent varies from 14 to 18 in the US.

keeping my daughter away from you for knowing that

LOL, I draw the line at 25. Chicks younger than that are generally as dumb as a bag of hammers.

Seen the dumb on both ends. At least the young ones have an excuse.

[cobywan]

The depiction of underage female sexuality in Japan has to do with the ban on depicting adult body hair in Manga and Anime.  You guys should really read up on what you are fans of.

That ban was lifted years ago. There may still be some residual effects from it, but I don't think anyone can continue to point to it as the source for lolicon.

Wow you are both bull-shitting really hard...

Really? I guess I didn't read that when I was boning up on Manga in the mid eighties. I'm so sorry.

[Sundown]

The depiction of underage female sexuality in Japan has to do with the ban on depicting adult body hair in Manga and Anime. You guys should really read up on what you are fans of.

I don't buy this at all, and I call shenanigans. There are such things as razors. I believe they are available to adults, too. In fact, the use of such is common to adult entertainment aesthetics.

I mean, it wouldn't be a stretch for an artist to draw their subjects thusly while still asserting that they're of legal age. Drawing the same image and then claiming that they're 14... or sometimes just drawing what are obviously children seems to indicate some other motivation.

-Al

[Agent ONE]

What's wrong with 17 if it's consentual?  It all depends on the country and culture.

US = under 18 = pedophilia

Actually, its on a state-by-state basis. Age of consent varies from 14 to 18 in the US.

keeping my daughter away from you for knowing that

LOL, I draw the line at 25. Chicks younger than that are generally as dumb as a bag of hammers.

I usually draw the line at 30. But yes young chicks are worthless, unless its a 'bang her and leave her' thing.

[Hikuro]

Agree with A1, I'm the bang 'em and leave 'em type. Dont like relationships, never will, I'm just not the comitting type.

But I do know one girl when I was in HS and she was in early middle school and she had a crush on me bad to where I poked at her "Yeah would you DO IT?"

She said yeah I thought that was a bit weird so I never brought it up with her again. Younger girls really don't think thru on things compared to when they get older.

But than again I'm more into girls that are my age or a bit older.

[mikeszekely]

Perhaps, but it seems some Japanese really do like them a little underage.

Nope, 17 isn't underage.

Read the whole story. The bartender at the end said that 17 is ideal, but he was going as low as 13.

[Aegis!]

Pedophiles do not discriminate between fiction and reality , for them children are no more important than a bag of crisps. They have no remorse when looking at disturbing pics of child abuse and the like.

Pedophiles deserve the worst of this world for such disturbing acts, so , for all you perverts out there in the internet , I give you the worst of this world:

Man Faye !

HAHAHA how´s that for mental abuse !

Sorry i just had to do it , the thread had way too much bad vibe already.

Edited June 8, 2005 by Aegis!

[JB0]

Pedophiles do not discriminate between fiction and reality , for them children are no more important than a bag of crisps. They have no remorse when looking at disturbing pics of child abuse and the like.

Pedophiles deserve the worst of this world for such disturbing acts, so , for all you perverts out there in the internet , I give you the worst of this world:

Man Faye ! (Editor's note: That's enough retina scarring for one day)

HAHAHA how´s that for mental abuse !

Sorry i just had to do it , the thread had way too much bad vibe already.

I think that ManFaye shot may be a tad counter-productive.

Now you've got a bunch of sad lonely sci-fi perverts associating reasonably mature girls with ManFaye wedgies. The potential psychological damage could be severe.

[GobotFool]

Pedophiles do not discriminate between fiction and reality , for them children are no more important than a bag of crisps. They have no remorse when looking at disturbing pics of child abuse and the like.

Pedophiles deserve the worst of this world for such disturbing acts, so , for all you perverts out there in the internet , I give you the worst of this world:

Man Faye !

HAHAHA how´s that for mental abuse !

Sorry i just had to do it , the thread had way too much bad vibe already.

Ooooh god! Ooooooh god my eyes! This image is burned on my mind forever. Every time I try to sleep or eat this image will pop into my head.

Edited June 8, 2005 by GobotFool

[Graham]

I was boning up on Manga in the mid eighties. I'm so sorry.

You were doing what to Manga?.....Eww

Graham

[Graham]

Macross fans are closely associated to obesity or maybe more of an attention grabber, beastility, you take your pick.

Nah, that would be Robotech fans.

Graham

[zeo-mare]

Pedophiles do not discriminate between fiction and reality , for them children are no more important than a bag of crisps. They have no remorse when looking at disturbing pics of child abuse and the like.

Pedophiles deserve the worst of this world for such disturbing acts, so , for all you perverts out there in the internet , I give you the worst of this world:

Man Faye !

HAHAHA how´s that for mental abuse !

Sorry i just had to do it , the thread had way too much bad vibe already.

you evil horrid bastard how could you post such a abobination

[JB0]

EVERYONE EDIT OUT MANFAYE AND EDIT IN PUPPIES! NOW!

[Jemstone]

Agree with A1, I'm the bang 'em and leave 'em type. Dont like relationships, never will, I'm just not the comitting type.

But I do know one girl when I was in HS and she was in early middle school and she had a crush on me bad to where I poked at her "Yeah would you DO IT?"

She said yeah I thought that was a bit weird so I never brought it up with her again. Younger girls really don't think thru on things compared to when they get older.

But than again I'm more into girls that are my age or a bit older.

That's the problem with you guys right there. "Chicks" and "girls"??? Get some WOMEN!!!Ya know the mature and grown up female types...........

Most of you guys under 25 are far worse anyways and it's amazing you mature at all.

[Graham]

That's the problem with you guys right there. "Chicks" and "girls"??? Get some WOMEN!!!Ya know the mature and grown up female types...........

Most of you guys under 25 are far worse anyways and it's amazing you mature at all.

Well, I can confirm that I prefer women in their 30s.

Graham

(35, but still not sure if I'm mature or not )

[Sumdumgai]

Most of you guys under 25 are far worse anyways and it's amazing you mature at all.

We're guys, we're not supposed to be 100% mature. Better to stay a bit immature and have fun, than become totally mature and never screw around and have fun.

You will never understand. It's a guy thing!

[Guest Bromgrev]

EVERYONE EDIT OUT MANFAYE AND EDIT IN PUPPIES! NOW!

What, bestiality is more acceptable?

[Graham]

EVERYONE EDIT OUT MANFAYE AND EDIT IN PUPPIES! NOW!

What, bestiality is more acceptable?

Woof!

Or if you are from New Zealand or Wales.....Baa

Graham

[Commander McBride]

Haha, the Welsh, what shall we do with that bunch?

As for Man-Faye, I'm really pissed at him, he's given us crossplayers a really bad name, taken it from something somewhat serious to disgusting antics, in the minds of a huge group of people.

Well, just hope you're not too harsh on the pics of me as Yomi that will invariably pop up on line after AX...

[HWR MKII]

I thought there were laws AGAINST men going out in public like that?

Edited June 8, 2005 by HWR MKII

[Guest Bromgrev]

I thought there were laws for men going out in public like that?  

You mean it's a legal requirement for men to dress like that!? Man, there goes my wardrobe.

Or maybe you meant to say against ...

[Amped]

Mother f... freakin' Man-Faye!!!

I didn't expect THAT image to appear in this thread... serves me right for surfing the message boards while at work. Thank God its slow enough in my department that everyone is veggin' in their cubicles and no one was up and about to see that nasty bit of visual pollution appear on my monitor! Genuine porno I could explain away... but THAT...

[Mr March]

I typically jump at any chance to bash Trek, but in this case I can’t let the greater crime committed by this article go unchallenged.

The article uses one of the many errors often made when statisitics are used in the media. A correlation does not necessarily equal a cause. Only when one examines all factors involved in a comparison and can prove (burden of proof) that one factor alone is responsible, then one can firmly establish cause. However, investigative reporting often makes the mistake of relaying the words of talking heads, reporting theories that they present as facts.

The article also uses circular reasoning rather than presenting the underlining realities of the criminals. They are trying to make a link between Trek and criminal behaviour using the result of that criminal behaviour to establish the cause of the criminal behaviour. Anyone with a brain can simply ask themselves what would the criminal do if he/she were to prey upon children? The criminal would appeal to what children enjoy, as any criminal predator would.

And since Trek is very popular, what method do you think criminals will use more often? Aha! Now we’re beginning to think aren’t we.

Naturally, I don’t expect people will even bother thinking when they read this article, so I expect more of this trash to go on for years enjoying the success of continued print. According to the media, stabbings are caused by heavy metal music, video games are responsible for shootings, and the devil trains terrorists.

[JB0]

EVERYONE EDIT OUT MANFAYE AND EDIT IN PUPPIES! NOW!

What, bestiality is more acceptable?

EVERYTHING is more acceptable than ManFaye, except the Goatse Guy.

[Aegis!]

I typically jump at any chance to bash Trek, but in this case I can’t let the greater crime committed by this article go unchallenged.

The article uses one of the many errors often made when statisitics are used in the media. A correlation does not necessarily equal a cause. Only when one examines all factors involved in a comparison and can prove (burden of proof) that one factor alone is responsible, then one can firmly establish cause. However, investigative reporting often makes the mistake of relaying the words of talking heads, reporting theories that they present as facts.

The article also uses circular reasoning rather than presenting the underlining realities of the criminals. They are trying to make a link between Trek and criminal behaviour using the result of that criminal behaviour to establish the cause of the criminal behaviour. Anyone with a brain can simply ask themselves what would the criminal do if he/she were to prey upon children? The criminal would appeal to what children enjoy, as any criminal predator would.

And since Trek is very popular, what method do you think criminals will use more often? Aha! Now we’re beginning to think aren’t we.

Naturally, I don’t expect people will even bother thinking when they read this article, so I expect more of this trash to go on for years enjoying the success of continued print. According to the media, stabbings are caused by heavy metal music, video games are responsible for shootings, and the devil trains terrorists.

There´s just one problem with your theory.

In order to attract young children pedophiles would actually have to collect other kinds of toys an merchandise like Pockemon and crap like that , not Star Trek , last time I checked pedophiles were actually condemned for lurking around young children , NOT for messing up with other Star Trek fans.

Star Trek merchandise like those found by investigators in the cases exposed could only lure Star Trek fans and from what I know children are not much into Star Trek or SW nowadays ( I know ROTS is selling like hotcakes today but that doesn´t guaranty children will be into it for too long).

Sorry for the Man faye thing , I thought of posting something nice afterwards to countermeasure it but everything I thought of posting could be taken the wrong way ( like puppies= bestiallity).

[Mr March]

There´s just one problem with your theory.

In order to attract young children pedophiles would actually have to collect other kinds of toys an merchandise like Pockemon and crap like that , not Star Trek , last time I checked pedophiles were actually condemned for lurking around young children , NOT for messing up with other Star Trek fans.

Star Trek merchandise like those found by investigators in the cases exposed could only lure Star Trek fans and from what I know children are not much into Star Trek or SW nowadays ( I know ROTS is selling like hotcakes today but that doesn´t guaranty children will be into it for too long).

Sorry for the Man faye thing , I thought of posting something nice afterwards to countermeasure it but everything I thought of posting could be taken the wrong way ( like puppies= bestiallity).

I can't imagine anyone else besides a child with poor judgement enjoying Trek

I'm not really offering a theory per se. Trek is still popular enough among younger people and children and hence it will find use in such a case. More importantly though, Trek is not a cause as the article suggests and that article failed to meet a burden of proof while simultaneously preying upon the public's feelings towards weirdness of extreme Trek fans. Much in the same way Jackson is guilty in the court of public opinion because he's weird.

[Final Vegeta]

The article uses one of the many errors often made when statisitics are used in the media.  A correlation does not necessarily equal a cause.

We should make a point that the article pointed not only ST fans but also left-handed people. Sooner or later pedophilia will be linked to the shape of the nose, as in the old phrenology school.

The article also uses circular reasoning rather than presenting the underlining realities of the criminals.

In fact I am not entirely sure that story wasn't a fake.

Today when you say pedophilia you think internet. I don't think this connection is accidental. Even if internet as a medium lends itself well to piracy and other illicit things, all these events cast a shady image on internet and those who use it. Star Trek is full of technology, so it is easy to link it with internet. At the end those who are able to use technology, that have more hope in it, become nerds because society reject them fearing technology. Those who fears technology and science probably will get closer to a religious faith, becoming zealots, thus more controllable by religious authorities.

It seems in psychology it is called a "slide" a spontaneous extreme reaction (of aversion, love, hate, etc.). There are a lot of slides around. For example, babies are good; politicians smile with them. Then they become teens, which it is almost a bad word, synonym of satanism and hard (satanic) rock.

I think it should be worth make always a dinstinction between pedophilia and ephebephilia (it would be good to see what is the age most affected), but it is easy to see why a single word is used. Hitler himself specified that masses forget quickly unless you pound concepts over and over into them. By using pedophilia as an omnicomprehensive term, you will instill an easy reaction in masses, and then you can make it fit like an umbrella over what you like. What is the age more targeted by pedophiles? Do you really know it? It is less than 5 or around 10?

Today manga, anime, sci-fi and the like - a new entertainment culture - is become quite common. So if you had a man who is charged with any accusation, police may easily find work of fictions in his house. The association in the minds of the listeners is quick: the man is a pedophile, so nobody should listen to what he says. Even other inmates will treat him bad. This is a way to defame quickly and powerfully a man; you could just slip drugs in his car, but this won't ruin his life to the same extent. There are people who have the power to pull something like that. There is a comical strip that illustrates the concept. After instructing peoples in the "signs of pedophilia" so much the danger could be that you need just the signs and not the fact itself to frame a person.

And since Trek is very popular, what method do you think criminals will use more often?

Lure children in the church. It seem to have worked sometimes ago

According to the media, stabbings are caused by heavy metal music, video games are responsible for shootings, and the devil trains terrorists.

I recently read an article that banned RPGs, Magic the Gathering and even kung-fu as New Age and therefore satanic. Even a fantasy book of good and evil is not considered compatible with Christian since white magic is satanic too.

FV

[Sumdumgai]

That kid is creepy. Keep him the hell away from me. He looks like he's gonna crawl out of my tv at night while I'm asleep, then come and gouge my eyes out with those creepy fingers of his...

Creepy kid... Creepy kid...

[Duke Togo]

And since Trek is very popular...

LOL, where, in France? Trek has a cult, but not wide appeal or popularity. How often are trekkies made fun of because of their very strange behavior? Is it really shocking to anyone that they like to diddle little boys as well?

[Aegis!]

That kid is creepy. Keep him the hell away from me. He looks like he's gonna crawl out of my tv at night while I'm asleep, then come and gouge my eyes out with those creepy fingers of his...

Creepy kid... Creepy kid...

nope , THIS is creepy :

[GobotFool]

That kid is creepy.  Keep him the hell away from me.  He looks like he's gonna crawl out of my tv at night while I'm asleep, then come and gouge my eyes out with those creepy fingers of his...

Creepy kid... Creepy kid... 

nope , THIS is creepy :

what is that from?

[SpacePirateNeko]

That kid is creepy.  Keep him the hell away from me.  He looks like he's gonna crawl out of my tv at night while I'm asleep, then come and gouge my eyes out with those creepy fingers of his...

Creepy kid... Creepy kid... 

nope , THIS is creepy :

what is that from?

Trainspotting

[Sumdumgai]

That kid is creepy.  Keep him the hell away from me.  He looks like he's gonna crawl out of my tv at night while I'm asleep, then come and gouge my eyes out with those creepy fingers of his...

Creepy kid... Creepy kid... 

nope , THIS is creepy :

Believe it or not, I find this one from trainspotting less creepy...

[Mr March]

And since Trek is very popular...

LOL, where, in France? Trek has a cult, but not wide appeal or popularity. How often are trekkies made fun of because of their very strange behavior? Is it really shocking to anyone that they like to diddle little boys as well?

As much as I love to bash Trek, play up the cinematic bombs, and revell in the cancellation of their television shows, Trek has a long way to go before it reaches Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5 levels of science fiction obscurity. Even longer before it falls out of public awareness. Ridicule the fans all you want (and trust me, I do), but I cannot deny that even as the wretched monster that is Trek slowly dies, it's still pumping out merchandise and feeding one of the largest sci-fi fandoms on the planet.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Star wars was also mentioned. But not as much as star trek.

I think that the masses would be convinced that adult collectors of toys are somehow good suspects regardless of needing any proof due solely to the idea that a pedophile is just like any normal person in the community. How the hell are you supposed to know who is these days?

How do you know your next door neighbor isn't one? Do you know what "signs" to look for?

How do you know the people working in a child care centre aren't ones? Do they have a big sign on thier forehead? Same with babysitters?

In defense of parents: they have a right to fear anyone based on instinct alone rather than hard stats. Because by the time a pedophile has struck it is too late. Say the child goes to chatrooms almost everyday, you have to admit that those parents should be watching what thier kids are doing and not being tricked into believing that they are merely hanging out with a star trek nerd, but rather that there would be a GOOD chance that some of those nerds might be pedophiles pretending to be star trek fans and melding with the star trek community.

So I can see both sides of the argument. The cops are trying hard to find signs and look for ways to profile thier latest breed of pedos and find out thier tricks to get close to kids. Because as we all know there are wolves in sheeps clothing out there too. Just as there are innocent people who will be witchhunted by certain misguided groups.

Oh and lets not bash other people religions either, I'm sure there are lots of people who are just as likely to bash people within thier own religion as much as people who aren't within thier own religion.. who have been found guilty. (in fact the people doing this may even infiltrate an organisation just to sabotage its image as a political manuever for more action against thier favourite scapegoat)

The media's revealing the catholic priests involvment in pedophilia is a good example. Although there are those out there doing this vile act, the ones who aren't shouldn't be witchhunted. I believe in judging the individual is more important and more pro-active in actually finding solutions to the problem. (as opposed to playing "lets point the finger at games, movies, falling moral standards, lack of proper upbringing" etc Often this can be a cover by both the left and right which excuses the criminal of thier behaviour and the judges go leniant on the criminal based on their political belief rather than punishing them properly so that they face up to the consequences of thier act. When the criminal no longer feels guilty for what they do and people go easy on them, that's when the world starts losing common sense and murders rapists etc laugh thier asses off at the justice system because society has changed so much and they know they can get off easy.)

As for MJ: yeah he is wierd and I bet this is more a way for those to gain money off him. But I also have this fear that deep down inside there may be a scheme to whitewash the activities of real pedophiles if somebody who is high profile is in the media accused of a crime. (like the focus is on the shock of the star being in a scandal vs the shock and seriousness of this offence) The idea is that over time if anyone in future with an innocent appearance is accused of pedophilia, people might automatically think, "this is just a repeat of the MJ thing where the only motiviation was so people could get money" and people start to sympatise with pedophiles over time. This is like a test to see people's reactions - bombard them with enough pedophelia so that over time people become desensitised to it and it no longer worries them before moving forward in subtly changing them. Then using one misguided group to fight another misguided group to set up a dialectic struggle which gives one group 50% and another group 50% public support leading to the wrong side getting "a foot in the door" in thier plan to change people opinions rather than individual masses thinking for themselves and not agreeing with either misguided side.

The idea is that the these are the white collar rich, powerful, influential pedophiles who will get away with thier act versus the ones who are caught and exposed. These ones ultimately want to plot to make pedophilia an acceptable and legal thing. (yes there are people out there so don't be shocked) In thier mind, the goal all along is to test public reaction then eventually change opinion over time somehow. Look for example at how today's kids are maturing much quicker and dressing more like adults compared to past generations. Does anyone here see a problem with that? Why the sudden change of values over time? Because its working and "they" (change agents) know it. Much better to take the safe side and not trust whatever stats were carefully selected and highlighted to further someone's agenda. But most people are undiscerning and gut instincts and parental fears can sometimes be a good thing. Even if it might seem illogical to some. So maybe there is some truth to the cop's link that we don't know about? I wouldn't write it off too easily for the sake of the few kids who really will get preyed on by the smart ones out there who can convince any kid they are friendly and harmless nerds. (ie pedophiles can look like anyone, that is the scary thing for parents)

Edited June 9, 2005 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker