Macross 7 Series

[Agent ONE]

And thus, Howard Stern JR was born.

HAHA... I'd hope I would appeal to a smarter demographic than Stern.

[promethuem5]

Hope and do are two different things my friend... and we can't chose

[JB0]

Hope and do are two different things my friend... and we can't chose

But hey, look on the plus side...

Stupid people are easier to manipulate.

Raise an army of stupid fans and take over the world!

[Final Vegeta]

Stupid people are easier to manipulate. 

Raise an army of stupid fans and take over the world!

The sad thing is that it works so well in the real world. Make someone think he is the best guy of the world and then give him an enemy. Make a point in the fact that you know more than they do. Lie big and shameless. A lot of leaders (let's say all leaders) followed this path.

FV

[Prime]

Hope and do are two different things my friend... and we can't chose

But hey, look on the plus side...

Stupid people are easier to manipulate.

Raise an army of stupid fans and take over the world!

Are we allowed Bush comments in this thread?

[azrael]

Hope and do are two different things my friend... and we can't chose

But hey, look on the plus side...

Stupid people are easier to manipulate.

Raise an army of stupid fans and take over the world!

Are we allowed Bush comments in this thread?

Try indirect and vague comments that don't sound political yet are.

Like this:

The sad thing is that it works so well in the real world. Make someone think he is the best guy of the world and then give him an enemy. Make a point in the fact that you know more than they do. Lie big and shameless. A lot of leaders (let's say all leaders) followed this path.

[Briareos9]

Well running the data from the Compendium

UN Spacy General Fighter:

A standard VF-11 is getting 6.33G thrust-to-mass

Varuata General Fighter:

Elgerzone standard is getting: 8.4G thrust to mass

Elgerzone Commander: 8.33G thrust to mass

Varuata Attack Craft:

Panzerzorene: 7.10G thrust to mass

Varuata Fighter-bomber:

Saubergeran: 9.29G thrust to mass (ignoring Heavy battloid thrusters?)

Take into account they also have new weapons, a relatively well set up diversified fleet, whose main failing is just a lack of a decent air/space superiority fighter to complement their more attack oriented craft and I can see why they had an advantage.

Really the only thing wrong with their setup I can see from the stats, is no real good air/space superiority fighters, with a over-emphasis on heavier fighters that can do the air/space superiority role. Some equivalent of either the X-9 (they've had the basic tech since the original with the QF-3000E Ghost so it's not like it's new), or lighter VF like the VF-11 or VF-9 could have easily fit in that role. Still they basically can out accelerate the VF-11 while being designed to carry significantly more.

It's like Dyson said, the VF-11 is an antique. Makes you wonder why they took so long to start going for a new fighter. Do I even want to know why the Varuata didn't just steamroll a colony fleet, given they have the barrier systems, reaction missiles, decent ships, and serious attack craft?

[Final Vegeta]

Try indirect and vague comments that don't sound political yet are.

Like this:

I wasn't even referring to Bush, although American presidents are a special case since the US has been at war for a whole century, and there is no other time like during a war when lies flies so much - except before an election or after a hunt (Otto Von Bismark).

More in general, when you read some famous quotes of past people, you find that often they are consistent, and they aren't dumb remark either. Wilde said that if you think present is the only thing that was present you won't understand the time you live in.

In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. ~Thich Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese Buddhist monk

(During the war in Vietnam, he worked tirelessly for reconciliation between North and South Vietnam. His lifelong efforts to generate peace moved Martin Luther King, Jr. to nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1967.)

All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf

(In 2004, it was discovered that Hitler had spent years evading taxes on income from sales of Mein Kampf. He owed the German government 405,000 Reichmarks (equivalent to $8 million at 2004 exchange rates) by the time he took power and the tax debt was forgiven.)

FV

[Agent ONE]

Hope and do are two different things my friend... and we can't chose

But hey, look on the plus side...

Stupid people are easier to manipulate.

Raise an army of stupid fans and take over the world!

Are we allowed Bush comments in this thread?

If you are an American, that would make YOU stupid too.

[azrael]

In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. ~Thich Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese Buddhist monk

Funny, we saw that used in 2001 in the USA.

[mechaninac]

In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. ~Thich Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese Buddhist monk

Funny, we saw that used in 2001 in the USA.

That's odd, the way I remember it, two buildings were knocked down, a chunk of the Pentagon was destroyed, an empty field became a crash site, 4 airliners full of innocent people and about 3000 other innocents not in the planes were butchered before any call for retaliation, naming of enemies, enumeration of fears, beefing up of security, or public declaration of hatred ever occurred. In fact, the USA went out of it's way not to paint an entire culture or religion as culpable, but planted the guilt exactly were it belonged...and acted accordingly.

Besides, enemies do not need to be made up when they make themselves so unequivocally known.

Maybe you should check the actual order of events before making asinine statements.

To every one else, sorry for the rant, but uninformed, misinformed, or just plain idiotically inflammatory tripe sometimes needs to be refuted.

[Noyhauser]

wow this is like a Macross world moderator's dream/nightmare thread; its just begging to be taken behind the shed and put out of its misery.

[azrael]

That's odd, the way I remember it, two buildings were knocked down, a chunk of the Pentagon was destroyed, an empty field became a crash site, 4 airliners full of innocent people and about 3000 other innocents not in the planes were butchered before any call for retaliation, naming of enemies, enumeration of fears, beefing up of security, or public declaration of hatred ever occurred. In fact, the USA went out of it's way not to paint an entire culture or religion as culpable, but planted the guilt exactly were it belonged...and acted accordingly.

Besides, enemies do not need to be made up when they make themselves so unequivocally known.

Maybe you should check the actual order of events before making asinine statements.

To every one else, sorry for the rant, but uninformed, misinformed, or just plain idiotically inflammatory tripe sometimes needs to be refuted.

It's a certain point of view. We remember things depending on how we see it from our point view. For example, from ym point of view, M7 was a good show. From A1's POV, it was an abomination.

[JB0]

That's odd, the way I remember it, two buildings were knocked down, a chunk of the Pentagon was destroyed, an empty field became a crash site, 4 airliners full of innocent people and about 3000 other innocents not in the planes were butchered before any call for retaliation, naming of enemies, enumeration of fears, beefing up of security, or public declaration of hatred ever occurred.  In fact, the USA went out of it's way not to paint an entire culture or religion as culpable, but planted the guilt exactly were it belonged...and acted accordingly.

Besides, enemies do not need to be made up when they make themselves so unequivocally known.

Maybe you should check the actual order of events before making asinine statements.

To every one else, sorry for the rant, but uninformed, misinformed, or just plain idiotically inflammatory tripe sometimes needs to be refuted.

It's a certain point of view. We remember things depending on how we see it from our point view. For example, from ym point of view, M7 was a good show. From A1's POV, it was an abomination.

And from our point of view a door is an entryway. From AgentONE's point of view, it's a place for sexual release.

[Duke Togo]

This thread is VERY fay.

[promethuem5]

Wow.... you guys are just a wee bit OT here.... A1s sexuality was alright, but politics just dont fit with M7...