Which CONSOLE!?

[Ishimaru]

Doesnt the controller shape bring up anything just look at it....

I've heard people describe it as a batarang. Or a pair of penii with buttons.

I just see a GameCube with a borked layout.

No....I ment SPIDERMAN! It has the Spidey thing shape in it I can just sense it when looking at it. Man JBO you didnt even get that *hides behind chair* .

But how is a DVD or HD DVD player supposed to have a connection or something? But anyways this brings up an idea to see if maybe your DVD is legit and playable on the player heyyyyy     this could be a solution to bootlegs! Having the player scan the DVD get some connection to the server checking globaly on the DVD's identification or something it would be soo good since they can stop piracy this way...but ya think this might be adapted to 360 and PS3...dont call me stupid here .

Congratulations. You just described Divx.

Funny thing... no one bought Divx.

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I did some people do buy Divx though. I dont even know why the player is on my computer. I wonder why the PS2 is still a old console but still good. I read a review on the "Path of Neo" and it says that the PS2 can load up a 1000 Agent Smiths in that scene in Reloaded, I heard it can load more Smiths but I wasnt sure. But isnt Divx not bought cause of it use for what I said above?

[JB0]

Doesnt the controller shape bring up anything just look at it....

I've heard people describe it as a batarang. Or a pair of penii with buttons.

I just see a GameCube with a borked layout.

No....I ment SPIDERMAN! It has the Spidey thing shape in it I can just sense it when looking at it. Man JBO you didnt even get that *hides behind chair* .

But how is a DVD or HD DVD player supposed to have a connection or something? But anyways this brings up an idea to see if maybe your DVD is legit and playable on the player heyyyyy     this could be a solution to bootlegs! Having the player scan the DVD get some connection to the server checking globaly on the DVD's identification or something it would be soo good since they can stop piracy this way...but ya think this might be adapted to 360 and PS3...dont call me stupid here .

Congratulations. You just described Divx.

Funny thing... no one bought Divx.

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I did

Yes.

some people do buy Divx though.

No they don't. The service has been non-functional for years.

I dont even know why the player is on my computer.

And now we're into a totally diffrent thing. That's a video codec named after the movie disk.

I wonder why the PS2 is still a old console but still good.

A. Because games don't magically begin sucking as they age.

B. Good is debatable in this case.

I read a review on the "Path of Neo" and it says that the PS2 can load up a 1000 Agent Smiths in that scene in Reloaded, I heard it can load more Smiths but I wasnt sure.

*shrugs*

But isnt Divx not bought cause of it use for what I said above?

What? You're making no sense here.

[Ishimaru]

But isnt Divx not bought cause of it use for what I said above?

What I ment is that because of that feature Divx is not bought since it would ahh ugh...like no one would buy since playing the DVDs they buy might not even work with it. Im not making any sense here I need some snooze . Anyways ya never know about the PS2 holding up to 1000 Agent Smiths in 1 level without lag? Imagine it with PS3 woaah .

[JB0]

Fopr the love of... USE ENTER! WHITE SPACE IS YOUR FRIEND! SEPERATE DIFFRENT IDEAS WITH BLANK LINES!

But isnt Divx not bought cause of it use for what I said above?

What I ment is that because of that feature Divx is not bought since it would ahh ugh...like no one would buy since playing the DVDs they buy might not even work with it.

Divx the disk format wasn[t bought because no one wanted to pay an extra hundred dollars for their player just so they could be required to phone in every time they wanted to watch a movie.

Divx the video codec has never been marketed comercially, though it is a subset of the MPEG4 format developed for DTV broadcasts(though it was ultimately determined MPEG2 would be just fine).

Anyways ya never know about the PS2 holding up to 1000 Agent Smiths in 1 level without lag? Imagine it with PS3 woaah .

Again... *shrugs*

No system ever has been pushed to the limits. Most are retired just as things start to get interesting.

I don't find it impressive that they can do a lot of objects without slowdown. To the contrary, I find it expected for such a late title in the system's life. Just because most PS2 titles have no need for a thousand enemies active at once is no reason to find the presence of such impressive.

[Wes]

But isnt Divx not bought cause of it use for what I said above?

What I ment is that because of that feature Divx is not bought since it would ahh ugh...like no one would buy since playing the DVDs they buy might not even work with it. Im not making any sense here I need some snooze . Anyways ya never know about the PS2 holding up to 1000 Agent Smiths in 1 level without lag? Imagine it with PS3 woaah .

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Actually, in Zone of the Enders 2, they had a stage with about 40 friendlies and around 200 opponents on the same battlefield, and that thing got laggy.

[Ishimaru]

The stage in Path of Neo is small but the Smiths will be coming at ya as ya beat them, so they are generated as you progress. But a huge amount is generated anyways its probaly that the models generated in ZOE 2 where diffrent and large which probaly caused the lag or...your PS2 just sucks . Besides ZOE 2 was a awesome game I never finished it though I got far .

[JB0]

The stage in Path of Neo is small but the Smiths will be coming at ya as ya beat them, so they are generated as you progress.

*bangs head*

My freaking NES can generate a thousand enemies over the course of a level.

I thought you meant a thousand active at once.

Don't waste people's time with stupid crap.

its probaly that the models generated in ZOE 2 where diffrent and large which probaly caused the lag

It's probably that there's 250 ACTIVE objects. With more than 2 models up.

or...your PS2 just sucks

Oh, quit being a retard.

[Gaijin]

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But that's a function of the sofware and hardware, not the media.

Divx was proprietary encrypted data on DVD, for example.

No one would argue DVD had internet connectivity because Divx used DVDs and called home.

So we're back to it's just stupid.

I never said it wasn't.

Just answering the broadband question on the new players.

Edited September 30, 2005 by Gaijin

[Black Valkyrie]

Xbox 360 delivered to China in 2K6?

[mikeszekely]

"It is surprising that Tuesday's announcement is not aligned with that of the vast majority of the computer industry and is contrary to our consumer research."

I would have kinda thought that Microsoft and Intel by themselves would be the vast majority of the computer industry.

Capacity:  Blu-ray Disc's capacity is 50GB.  This will be available at

    launch for BD-ROM, BD-R, and BD-RE. This is 67% more than HD-DVD's 30GB

    ROM capacity and 150% more than its recordable storage capacity -- a

    critical issue for computer users.

Capacity, said Ribas, "used to be the biggest advantage of Blu-ray, and we believed it. We thought, they'll get 50 GByte BD-ROM discs working, but it's not happening, and it's nowhere in sight. There are not even pilots. It's only in the lab that they are building these discs." With regard to demonstrated capacity, he told us, HD DVD-ROM actually leads BD-ROM by a score of 30 GByte to 25 GByte.

So which is it?

Although Microsoft and Disney jointly developed the iHD interactivity layer, based on XML - which is the glue that holds together the "Vista vision" of Microsoft's future Windows platform - and even though Disney is a Blu-ray proponent, the Association chose instead to endorse BDJ, an implementation of Sun-s Java Mobile Edition. Ribas told us that the major studios - either publicly or quietly - are opposed to BDJ, citing its relative complexity and its lack of compelling new features compared to iHD. An optional commentary track for videos, for example, that superimposes the speaker's image on-screen as well as providing audio, is one key iHD feature that BDJ will support only as an option, maybe. "Which means nobody will use it," said Ribas.

Blu-ray disc is built on BD-Java, which leverages

    years of industry investment and experience in the set-top box, PC, and

    cell phone industries.  BD-JavaTM provides a mature, robust platform for

    authoring and delivering unprecedented interactive capabilities to the

    user for movies, music, and games. BD-Java was selected over iHD, the

    developmental Microsoft technology used in HD-DVD.  The BDA carefully

    compared both iHD and BD-J, and concluded that iHD didn't go far enough

    in providing a compelling feature set beyond DVD, while BD-J offered

    studios a much richer palette for providing a compelling interactive HD

    experience for consumers, particularly when a player is connected to a

    network.

So, suprise suprise, Microsoft supports their iHD, and the BDA supports their BD-Java. No unbiased opinion as to which is actually better.

Support for hybrid discs that can be read in both current DVDs and future players, was the second critical element. This would "future-proof" new releases, enabling consumers to buy DVDs that can play in today's players, while also providing high-def content for tomorrow's. "That's something that both promised," said Ribas, "but HD DVD delivered, and Blu-ray has not - and it seems it's nowhere in sight. [blu-ray has] claimed they have it in the lab, but to go from the lab to mass production is like night and day. There's a lot of effort that needs to happen. So as of now, there's nothing that leads us to believe that that's going to be possible [from Blu-ray] at this point."

Hybrid Disc:  Blu-ray Disc was the first format to introduce a hybrid

    disc that could hold both high and standard definition versions of a

    movie on a single disc.  The Blu-ray Hybrid Disc is the more elegant

    solution as it holds both versions of the film on the same side of the

    disc, which provides for easy labeling and greater ease of use for

    consumers.

    Backward Compatibility:  Blu-ray Disc players and recorders can and will

    support DVDs through the addition of red lasers in the hardware.  In

    order to be backward compatible with DVD, HD-DVD must also include a red

    laser.

Microsoft claims that the hybrid BD-ROM doesn't exists. The BDA says it does, but points out that as long as the players have both lasers, they can play the new discs and DVDs anyway.

First, and perhaps foremost, is the ability for a consumer to make authorized copies of a legally obtained disc, in order to store the content on a hard drive and stream it to devices around the house. Intel particularly wants this capability for its Viiv home entertainment platform, announced last month.

Managed copy:  Managed Copy is not a function of the optical disc format,

    but a function of the content protection system. The AACS content

    protection system, which is used by both Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, enables

    managed copy and network streaming functionality.  It is not format

    specific.

In other words, both sides aruge that both formats are useful for streaming media. But neither has addressed what we really want... the ability to rip and burn out own discs.

Maintaining low production costs is a critical factor, which has been a key HD DVD talking point in light of current revelations about factory upgrade costs for Blu-ray. "For a long time, we actually thought that the Blu-ray Group had the upper hand in costs," Ribas said, mainly because of the involvement in Blu-ray of most of the major Japanese CE manufacturers - Sony, Matsushita (Panasonic), Pioneer, and Sharp - as well as Philips. Here is where recent events played a critical role: In a development that was brought to light only this morning, two of the world's leading China-based DVD player production facilities announced their support for HD DVD over Blu-ray. In press statements, these companies cited the relative openness of the DVD Forum compared to the Blu-ray Disc Association. "Now that we see China embracing HD DVD," said Ribas, "we actually see that on the cost side, HD DVD will have an advantage, because the Chinese have been the ones who have lowered the prices, via the competition, for HD DVD players." As much as 75 percent of DVD players sold in America today come from China, he added.

Maintaining low disc replication costs affects the consumer price for media, said Ribas, which would play into any price/performance evaluation. A disc production factory can make minor upgrades to its equipment, he stated, with the result being equipment that can produce both conventional DVD as well as HD DVD. Citing figures circulating this week throughout the industry, Ribas said it would cost as much as $1.7 million per production line to install Blu-ray disc production equipment, and as much as $2.0 million for each new mastering system installed. That's a significant expense, he explained, for a business which only turns over a 10 percent margin.

Isn't it kind of telling that the BDA didn't address either of those points on cost?

Gaijin, you're really seem to like Blu-Ray. You wouldn't happen to work for a BDA member, would you?

Myself, honestly, I was initially thinking that Blu-Ray, with its use in the PS3, would be the format to get behind. But I'm not so sure now.

[Gaijin]

Gaijin, you're really seem to like Blu-Ray.  You wouldn't happen to work for a BDA member, would you?

Myself, honestly, I was initially thinking that Blu-Ray, with its use in the PS3, would be the format to get behind.  But I'm not so sure now.

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Haha, no but I do know enough of what is going on in both camps. Microsoft was always in a position to back HDDVD because of IHD (though Disney is a BDA member). It's widely known that Gates isn't happy that the original XBox did not take the #1 position away from Sony, and harbors resentment against them for that, thus, with the PS3 using BluRay, MS is in the position of not going that route, even though they claimed they were behind Blu Ray at the beginning...all the claims that Blu Ray's discs and what not are only in the labs are just shots to try and dampen BD and create doubt...

what they are failing to mention is that HD DVD was supposed to have been ready to go this year, Toshiba cannot get the players working correctly, the film studios backing HD DVD pulled their titles since no players exist to play them with any form of reliability, and the cost savings while slightly cheaper now, is not as much as thought to have been. This is why most of the entertainment studios are going blu ray.

I actually don't want a format war, but realistically...Blu Ray players will penetrate the market whether the public is ready for them or not, at a rate that stand alone players cannot attain in their first few years. Most people are satisfied with DVD's (their opinions will change when their TV dies and a fixed panel HDTV enters...then DVD's flaws are magnified and the terrific picture quality you enjoy on a SD set isn't as nice)...and they won't want a new HD player...but millions will be in people's homes already in the form of the PS3 (unless Sony prices it out of this world).

MS's "backing" of HD DVD doesn't mean much...they make no products that would use the actual drives...if HD DVD was in the 360, then I'd say HD DVD would have a chance for the same reason Blu Ray does...millions will instantly be in people's homes already after launch.

I thought HDDVD had a chance earlier, but recent actual facts about the 2 formats (not press releases) sorta tips the favor in Blu Ray at the moment. But if you read what MS says about Blu Ray, you'd think everything about Blu Ray is vapor...when the opposite is actually more true since HDDVD is actually behind on it's launch, on account of Toshiba still trying to get the players working right and to release at $899...and getting the studios that were backing them (Paramount, Warner, and Universal), to release titles for the players in Febuary (new launch date).

Not saying I actually like the idea that Sony has the muscle to flood the Blu Ray market just like the UMD one...but the fact remains is that is what will probably happen. Difference being I actually don't mind BluRay since I honestly think it has the most potential what with more backing than HD DVD.

Edit: Forgot to add...like UMD porn in Japan, whichever format Porn goes with eavily will likely tip the odds a lot too.

Edited October 1, 2005 by Gaijin

[mikeszekely]

Most people are satisfied with DVD's (their opinions will change when their TV dies and a fixed panel HDTV enters...then DVD's flaws are magnified and the terrific picture quality you enjoy on a SD set isn't as nice)...and they won't want a new HD player

For shits and giggles, I downloaded hi-def (720p) video samples from one of Microsoft's sites. The difference between it and a regular DVD movie was nothing short of stunning on my 52" Toshiba DLP TV. That said, though, I simply have too large of a movie collection. While a high-def disc format would be nice for future movies, I'm just not ready to start replacing anything I've already got.

but millions will be in people's homes already in the form of the PS3 (unless Sony prices it out of this world).

That is, sadly, a somewhat likely scenario. I know a guy who bought a DVD player when they were still asking $1000 bucks for one, but most people just aren't willing. And it seems fewer people are willing to spend that much on a game console. And if the final price of the PS3 does turn out to be the $500-$700 that I'm hearing, Sony might find that it'll take more than the PlayStation brand to sell it.

Besides, if both sides are having as much trouble getting their stuff to work as the other side claims, I can only imagine the Disc Read Errors the PS3 will taunt us with. If the Xbox 360 supports HD DVD in the future, dandy, but for now, I'm kinda relieved they've gone with reliable DVD-9s.

[JB0]

Most people are satisfied with DVD's (their opinions will change when their TV dies and a fixed panel HDTV enters...then DVD's flaws are magnified and the terrific picture quality you enjoy on a SD set isn't as nice)...and they won't want a new HD player

For shits and giggles, I downloaded hi-def (720p) video samples from one of Microsoft's sites. The difference between it and a regular DVD movie was nothing short of stunning on my 52" Toshiba DLP TV. That said, though, I simply have too large of a movie collection. While a high-def disc format would be nice for future movies, I'm just not ready to start replacing anything I've already got.

Yah.

We've stll got a fair # of VHS tapes kicking around for that reason.

but millions will be in people's homes already in the form of the PS3 (unless Sony prices it out of this world).

That is, sadly, a somewhat likely scenario. I know a guy who bought a DVD player when they were still asking $1000 bucks for one, but most people just aren't willing.

*nods*

And it seems fewer people are willing to spend that much on a game console.  And if the final price of the PS3 does turn out to be the $500-$700 that I'm hearing, Sony might find that it'll take more than the PlayStation brand to sell it.

Yah. Sony's gonna eat massive losses on the PS3 to move it.

And it'll pr'ly be udnercut by standalone players, just like the PS2 was outside Japan.

Besides, if both sides are having as much trouble getting their stuff to work as the other side claims, I can only imagine the Disc Read Errors the PS3 will taunt us with.  If the Xbox 360 supports HD DVD in the future, dandy, but for now, I'm kinda relieved they've gone with reliable DVD-9s.

*nods again*

If they do an upgrade later, I hope it's priced low enough that there's no reason NOT to get it.

[mikeszekely]

We've stll got a fair # of VHS tapes kicking around for that reason.

I actually don't. I didn't bother to buy to many movies on VHS because they were bulky and suffered from poor quality that got worse with use. What few movies I did have (Transformers: the Movie, Robocop, Star Wars, etc) I replaced with DVDs.

While DVDs might not be hi-def, and therefore still not of the highest video quality, DVDs still has the EDTV thing going for it, plus a DVD should last longer than my lifetime. I don't see a pressing need to replace my DVDs, and I DO have an HDTV. Considering that people with HDTVs are a minority, I just see there being a ton of market interest in Blu-Ray OR HD DVD... yet.

If they do an upgrade later, I hope it's priced low enough that there's no reason NOT to get it.

If they do an upgrade later, I hope it's available to people who already bought their Xbox 360s, instead of only existing in a premium rehash. I HATE buying things twice.

[JB0]

We've stll got a fair # of VHS tapes kicking around for that reason.

I actually don't. I didn't bother to buy to many movies on VHS because they were bulky and suffered from poor quality that got worse with use. What few movies I did have (Transformers: the Movie, Robocop, Star Wars, etc) I replaced with DVDs.

Over here it was a matter of watching the movie or not.

And some of our VHS isn't DVD-able.

Like Captain Power. Which I haven't watched in years, but...

If they do an upgrade later, I hope it's priced low enough that there's no reason NOT to get it.

If they do an upgrade later, I hope it's available to people who already bought their Xbox 360s, instead of only existing in a premium rehash. I HATE buying things twice.

I didn't even consider new system. I immediatly thought add-on box, a la SegaCD(Super CD-ROM, JagCD, whatever).

Price should be relatively low, because there's not a pressing need for more hardware on the 360.

The PS1 could've used a bit of help, but everything past that's run it's entire life without hitting any major problems horsepower-wise(IMO).

Edited October 3, 2005 by JB0

[sabretooth]

i'm still going to get a revolution first, it'll be the cheapest, weirdest, and the least likely to crap out after 6 months. plus the game library itself is reason enough in my book. all this blueray hddvd hooha and the ridiculous launch prices are just getting close to lunacy. a game system is and should be a game system, there is little to know chance of me letting myself rebuy my movie collection when it is just a couple of years old so i can play it on my xbox360.

i say bah to microsoft and sony it's just too damn much effort to try to justify purchasing one of their systems anymore. almost all the games worth a damn are cross platform, and as far as graphical concerns they will tend to look about the same in my book. my gc has yet to have a disc read error or freeze or die and i've had it for 3 yrs now and i have about 24 games total for it and i don't worry if it's going to die on me, unlike my former roommate who purchased a total of 2 xboxs and 3 ps2s and he still gives me poo about the "lower perfomance levels" of my nintendo.

this being said i still want to check out perfect dark

[Gaijin]

Rev will sell well enough for Nintendo to profit...they've always been savvy in that dept.

[mikeszekely]

I didn't even consider new system. I immediatly thought add-on box, a la SegaCD(Super CD-ROM, JagCD, whatever).

I figured that's what you meant, since that's what'd be a common sense preference by just about anyone who's ever even considered wanting an Xbox 360.

Allard or Bach, I can't remember which, already hinted in OXM though, that their strategy would be more along the lines of releases a new model 360 with an HD DVD-ROM, and then having large games release in both multiple DVD-9s AND HD DVDs (kinda the way PC games release on both CD-ROM and DVD-ROM today). Which would absolutely suck, because it'd be basically giving the finger to all the early adopters.

[JB0]

I didn't even consider new system. I immediatly thought add-on box, a la SegaCD(Super CD-ROM, JagCD, whatever).

I figured that's what you meant, since that's what'd be a common sense preference by just about anyone who's ever even considered wanting an Xbox 360.

Allard or Bach, I can't remember which, already hinted in OXM though, that their strategy would be more along the lines of releases a new model 360 with an HD DVD-ROM, and then having large games release in both multiple DVD-9s AND HD DVDs (kinda the way PC games release on both CD-ROM and DVD-ROM today). Which would absolutely suck, because it'd be basically giving the finger to all the early adopters.

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Guh...

At least they'd dual-release them instead of ignoring it totally.

[MGREXX]

I see we are talking about disc size. I thought size didn't matter????

Bottom line is that Blue-ray is the best bet.

As for the 360, I have been seeing reports from Japan that most people over there are still giving it the finger. Let's face it, the only reason the Xbox survived the last console war was due to ONLY one game: HALO.

If the 360 hopes to survivethis time, i feel that it will need more than HALO 3. It wil need to embrase the Japanese marketplace and convince them that the 360 is an international gaming machine and not a US gaming machine. which is what the xbox was.

As for the revolution, I stake it's future on it's "revolutionary" controller. I laughed at it and first after I recovered from my "what the f#(% is that phase) but now I see it's potential for gaming and it's up to NINTENDO to make it or break it, on this, it's seemingly last gasp of breath to stay in the hardware market.

[Wes]

I didn't even consider new system. I immediatly thought add-on box, a la SegaCD(Super CD-ROM, JagCD, whatever).

I figured that's what you meant, since that's what'd be a common sense preference by just about anyone who's ever even considered wanting an Xbox 360.

Allard or Bach, I can't remember which, already hinted in OXM though, that their strategy would be more along the lines of releases a new model 360 with an HD DVD-ROM, and then having large games release in both multiple DVD-9s AND HD DVDs (kinda the way PC games release on both CD-ROM and DVD-ROM today). Which would absolutely suck, because it'd be basically giving the finger to all the early adopters.

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Guh...

At least they'd dual-release them instead of ignoring it totally.

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I could honestly see them allowing one to swamp out the drives, shouldn't be that hard to open up and replace it if they build it to do so. But with the starting rates M$ has been showing, I could see them forcing you to have this done by licensed repaires, like Best Buy or someone major.

[Gunbuster]

I see we are talking about disc size.  I thought size didn't matter????

Bottom line is that Blue-ray is the best bet.

more news on HD DVD and BD

from slashdot

"QT writes "Ars Technica has been following this week's next-gen DVD dramas closely. First, there's extensive coverage of the reasons why Microsoft backed HD-DVD, which was primarily inspired by mandatory support for copying discs to computers. The BDA, however, countered with an attack on Microsoft's reasons, and Microsoft returned fire. Richard E. Doherty, Microsoft's head of the media entertainment technology convergence group, said that 50GB Blu-ray disc are in fact many years away. Is MS playing games, or is Sony misrepresenting just how far along BD-ROM really is?" From the article: "HD DVD is proven to deliver 30GB capacity today, with the potential to deliver even greater capacity. The 50GB claim for BD-ROM discs is unproven and will not be available for many years to come, based on discussions with major Japanese and US replicators. Replicators not only do not have test lines running, they cannot even pre-order the equipment to begin evaluating this disc. They cannot judge the cost of these discs, or even whether they can be manufactured at all. Major replicators can mass manufacture 30GB HD DVD discs today and it's well understood that these discs will cost significantly less to manufacture than the lower-capacity 25GB BD discs." We previously discussed this topic when the announcement came out. "

Question; if blue ray is not ready by spring 2006, how does Sony release the Ps3 in Japan?

[MGREXX]

I see we are talking about disc size.  I thought size didn't matter????

Bottom line is that Blue-ray is the best bet.

more news on HD DVD and BD

from slashdot

"QT writes "Ars Technica has been following this week's next-gen DVD dramas closely. First, there's extensive coverage of the reasons why Microsoft backed HD-DVD, which was primarily inspired by mandatory support for copying discs to computers. The BDA, however, countered with an attack on Microsoft's reasons, and Microsoft returned fire. Richard E. Doherty, Microsoft's head of the media entertainment technology convergence group, said that 50GB Blu-ray disc are in fact many years away. Is MS playing games, or is Sony misrepresenting just how far along BD-ROM really is?" From the article: "HD DVD is proven to deliver 30GB capacity today, with the potential to deliver even greater capacity. The 50GB claim for BD-ROM discs is unproven and will not be available for many years to come, based on discussions with major Japanese and US replicators. Replicators not only do not have test lines running, they cannot even pre-order the equipment to begin evaluating this disc. They cannot judge the cost of these discs, or even whether they can be manufactured at all. Major replicators can mass manufacture 30GB HD DVD discs today and it's well understood that these discs will cost significantly less to manufacture than the lower-capacity 25GB BD discs." We previously discussed this topic when the announcement came out. "

Question; if blue ray is not ready by spring 2006, how does Sony release the Ps3 in Japan?

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That article is biased bull$hit. I read that those comments are not true and that BlueRay 50GB discs are in fact ready. I will find it soon.

As for PS3 not being ready by spring? Makes no sense. The system, drive and single layere discs are ready, since it's just the dual layer discs that are being finalyzed. PS3 games come in single layer in the spring, then jump to dula layer in the summer (if needed). Easy as pie.

[Jolly Rogers]

While DVDs might not be hi-def, and therefore still not of the highest video quality, DVDs still has the EDTV thing going for it, plus a DVD should last longer than my lifetime.  I don't see a pressing need to replace my DVDs, and I DO have an HDTV.  Considering that people with HDTVs are a minority, I just see there being a ton of market interest in Blu-Ray OR HD DVD... yet.

Key word being 'should'. While the manufacturers sing praise of the lasting quality of these optical discs, I already have some CDs in my collection displaying syndromes of laser rot within 10 years of purchase. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing in my DVD collection within a few years. All the low prices on DVDs gotta have something to do with relaxed QA standards, in fact I've noticed a rising frequency in bum discs I got as new releases.

[mikeszekely]

Question; if blue ray is not ready by spring 2006, how does Sony release the Ps3 in Japan?

Answer: they use single layer discs. A next-gen game that hits 15MB would be impressive. 25GB will work nicely. In fact, it's highly unlikely that that the PS3 would ever use a dual layer 50GB BD-ROM.

That article is biased bull$hit.

And by biased, I'm sure you mean contradictory to your rabid Sony fanboy-ism.

[MGREXX]

Question; if blue ray is not ready by spring 2006, how does Sony release the Ps3 in Japan?

Answer: they use single layer discs. A next-gen game that hits 15MB would be impressive. 25GB will work nicely. In fact, it's highly unlikely that that the PS3 would ever use a dual layer 50GB BD-ROM.

That article is biased bull$hit.

And by biased, I'm sure you mean contradictory to your rabid Sony fanboy-ism.

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Damn straight..........except for the fanboy remark.

[MGREXX]

Here is the sccop on the truth behind that biased article that was spouted by Microsoft and Intel:

Gamespot article

Here a couple of articles showing that I am unbiased:

Gamespot article

CNN article

Endgadget article

Having said that, here is some schooling for those who can't see that Blue-Ray is the future of gaming and video entertainment in general.

Blueray 101

[Loner]

Uh huh.

In any case I'm hoping for the same outcome DigitalBits is hoping for:

You know, I really hope that retailers just come out and say, "We aren't carrying either of these formats until you guys get your crap together."

[JB0]

Question; if blue ray is not ready by spring 2006, how does Sony release the Ps3 in Japan?

Answer: they use single layer discs. A next-gen game that hits 15MB would be impressive. 25GB will work nicely. In fact, it's highly unlikely that that the PS3 would ever use a dual layer 50GB BD-ROM.

That article is biased bull$hit.

And by biased, I'm sure you mean contradictory to your rabid Sony fanboy-ism.

333746[/snapback]

Damn straight..........except for the fanboy remark.

333762[/snapback]

Perhaps you'd prefer worship?

The fact that you cited a bunch of neutral articles as pro-BluRay just proves the matter.

[Loner]

I've yet to see anyone in the BD group comment on the fact that two Chinese DVD manufacturing firms have thrown their support for HD-DVD.

[Gaijin]

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html

They'll go where they can make money...HD DVD stand alone players will not penetrate the market as quickly as Blu Ray ones will, largely because of the PS3...whether people want it or not.

Soon, all of the movie studios will be releasing both or BD only (the costs and security have swayed the former HD DVD movie studios, as is the instant potential movie sales from PS3). Paramount is also rumored to be planning on not releasing their HD DVD titles in Feb as planned. If Warner follows suit as many industry birds have been singing about in the past few weeks....then the format war can end before it starts. Seriously, the only thing keeping HD DVD truly alive is Toshiba's pride. They are losing support from content manufacturers. This is the industry's way of saying they don't want a format war either.

Why are people upset? Do you want 2 formats? HD DVD had a distinct cost advantage at the beginning as well as the promise of being first to market...both of these are no longer in their court, and they now are finding the limited support they had sleeping with the enemy....I wouldn't say this is the end yet, but things are certainly heading towards one format before Feb arrives. If this is what's going to keep a format war from happening I say go for it....

[Zentrandude]

After awhile I don't see how would the format give BR that much space.

now since both hd and br use blue lasers both should have simular space cap.

If the format is so good on br why not use them on the current optical drives that use red lasers to nearly double the storage cap.

more fuel for the fire. paramount backs both formats

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Edited October 4, 2005 by Zentrandude

[Loner]

HD-DVD and BD aren't really "The Future" technology. HVD is the real future of disc storage.

[JB0]

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html

They'll go where they can make money...HD DVD stand alone players will not penetrate the market as quickly as Blu Ray ones will, largely because of the PS3...whether people want it or not.

Only if they launch at a reasonable price, as opposed to Kutaragi's "not for households."

And again, 'd like to point out that the PS2 was only relevant as a DVD player in Japan. Outside of Japan, DVD had gone mainstream well before hte PS2 launch.

[Gaijin]

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6262261.html

They'll go where they can make money...HD DVD stand alone players will not penetrate the market as quickly as Blu Ray ones will, largely because of the PS3...whether people want it or not.

Only if they launch at a reasonable price, as opposed to Kutaragi's "not for households."

And again, 'd like to point out that the PS2 was only relevant as a DVD player in Japan. Outside of Japan, DVD had gone mainstream well before hte PS2 launch.

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I doubt the PS3 will launch anywhere near the lone Toshiba HD DVD player marked for $899. Do you honestly think stand alone high def players will penetrate more than one in a console? The PC market angle also is a factor.