Aliens Vs Predator 2: AvP Harder

[VF-19]

I feel like walking into the boardroom of Fox, and quoting the famous line in Predator:

"A bunch of slack-jawed *bad word* around here!" Shove out a copy of Predator and the first two Alien movies "This stuff will turn you into a *blasemy word* sexual Tyranosaur, just like me."

While I did somewhat remotely like AvP, I felt rather underwhelmed with the whole film. I did see it for free, so it wasn't a total waste of money.

[ComicKaze]

At least the *brilliant* guys at Fox didn't do a brainstorming session and come up with an Alien-Predator-Queen-Hybrid-Human-Clone-Monster-Baby-Love-Child as the villain.

Seriously, I don't know why AvP has to be in our contemporary or near future world. Aliens is NOTHING without the far-flung future element. Predator would work much better in that environment too.

The Aliens universe is so vast and unexplored, I want to see more of it. Damnit, I wanted to see Ripley land on the ruined earth in Alien Resurrection! I heard the original script was to have the conclusion on earth, with the ship crashing or landing in the jungle and an alien element remaining. It's the freaking jungle! Throw the Predator in it!!!

And as for Robocop versus Terminator, of course Terminator would win. Robocop is the slowest pile of tin in the world. His only advantage is that he's pretty much a walking tank compared to fragile fleshy humans.

The Terminator is faster and stronger and much more adapatable to his environment, not a human brain struggling to assert itself while trapped by a CPU.

Edited May 6, 2005 by ComicKaze

[Graham]

I wanna see Ben Assflek in 'Daredevil vs Cat Woman vs Van Helsing'. Just imagine what a super-duper movie that would be......not!

Graham

[VF-19]

I wanna see Ben Assflek in 'Daredevil vs Cat Woman vs Van Helsing'. Just imagine what a super-duper movie that would be......not!

Graham

As soon as that movie is even mentioned, sue for your share of the profits, since you've come up with the idea first. It'll at least delay the movie from coming out.

[Graham]

So this AvP sequel is to be called 'AvP Harder'?

Wouldn't 'AvP Limper' be more appropriate?

Graham

[HWR MKII]

Actually in the Alien Quadrilogy set they restored the origional ruined earth ending to Resurrection and alot of other scenes. Alien3 is also a drastically changed movie. It has alot of the origionally scripted parts added back in like a whole different beginning, the scene where they capture the alien and different scenes throughout. All 4 movies in the set have a directors or "origional" cut option to them. Its the first reissue box set that actually contained something worth buying.

[JB0]

And as for Robocop versus Terminator, of course Terminator would win. Robocop is the slowest pile of tin in the world. His only advantage is that he's pretty much a walking tank compared to fragile fleshy humans.

The Terminator is faster and stronger and much more adapatable to his environment, not a human brain struggling to assert itself while trapped by a CPU.

To be fair, the original Terminator was a slow pile of tin, too. It was just stubborn.

I imagine a modern Robocop movie would feature some stunts.

[Oihan]

Maybe they might surprise us with an R rating instead?

Edit: If only I could SPELL.

Edited May 6, 2005 by Oihan

[JB0]

Maybe they might surpise us with an R rating instead?

Or go all-out and give us an NC-17 with explicit alien/predator love scenes.

That would be worse than anything they've yet come up with.

[lord_breetai]

Batman V Joker V AVP? not going to happen

It happened. It was some ridiculous fan move that I saw at some sci-fi con some years ago.

I know I've seen the fan movie... I ment it's not going to happen for real.

[Quote}And as for Robocop versus Terminator, of course Terminator would win. Robocop is the slowest pile of tin in the world. His only advantage is that he's pretty much a walking tank compared to fragile fleshy humans.

The Terminator is faster and stronger and much more adapatable to his environment, not a human brain struggling to assert itself while trapped by a CPU.

Except the premise of the game is that The Termies didn't want to destroy Robocop they wanted to trick him into linking into Skynet which was how Skynet became self aware. Then Robocop rebuilt himself at an abandoned Termie factory using termie technology.

it wasn't a bad game... better then Alien Vs Pred Vs Termie Comics... Skynet re-emerges in Ripley's time and uses Alien DNA to create Termie/Alien hybrids... Ripley teams up with the aliens who recognize it was a mutual threat to all life.

And wasn't Robocop somewhat faster in those recent made for TV mini-series?

Edited May 6, 2005 by lord_breetai

[CoryHolmes]

Once again, I find myself to be the lone voice of dissention when it comes to this group.

I knew well in advance that AvP wasn't going to be the same sort of film as any of its predecessors. I walked into the theater expecting some mindless summer action adventure and had that more than amply met. When viewed in that context, AvP is more than entertaining.

Would I have preferred something more in line with any of the previous films? Absolutly. Do I want to see what a Colonial Marine-era Old Painless mini-gun would look like on the big screen? Hell yes! Did I expect to see any of that? Nope.

Do I want to see that in the sequel? God, yes. I can but hope that this is more in line with what's come before, but I'll be willing to wait and see the film with an open mind before passing any judgements on it.

[Oihan]

Maybe they might surpise us with an R rating instead?

Or go all-out and give us an NC-17 with explicit alien/predator love scenes.

That would be worse than anything they've yet come up with.

Lol...in today's world anything is possible.

[haro genki]

Maybe they might surpise us with an R rating instead?

Or go all-out and give us an NC-17 with explicit alien/predator love scenes.

That would be worse than anything they've yet come up with.

Anderson would probably do that just to get crowds in for sheer shock value. He obviously doesn't care if his films make money on everything but substance, so he's got nothing to lose

[Abombz!!]

Once again, I find myself to be the lone voice of dissention when it comes to this group.

I knew well in advance that AvP wasn't going to be the same sort of film as any of its predecessors. I walked into the theater expecting some mindless summer action adventure and had that more than amply met. When viewed in that context, AvP is more than entertaining.

Would I have preferred something more in line with any of the previous films? Absolutly. Do I want to see what a Colonial Marine-era Old Painless mini-gun would look like on the big screen? Hell yes! Did I expect to see any of that? Nope.

Do I want to see that in the sequel? God, yes. I can but hope that this is more in line with what's come before, but I'll be willing to wait and see the film with an open mind before passing any judgements on it.

I watched AvP for what it was.... a mindless action movie, but it was really lacking on the action to be honest. Only 2 scenes spring to mind as "action scenes" and those are the predator vs the alien and everyone against the queen, both didn't last more then 10 minutes. I think they tried to make it a sort of suspense action movie, but theres no suspense or action here

[Mr March]

I watched AvP for what it was.... a mindless action movie, but it was really lacking on the action to be honest. Only 2 scenes spring to mind as "action scenes" and those are the predator vs the alien and everyone against the queen, both didn't last more then 10 minutes. I think they tried to make it a sort of suspense action movie, but theres no suspense or action here

In addition to many other criticisms I had of AVP, the lack of action you mentioned is one of my biggest complaints. For a film called "Alien vs. Predator" there is a surprising lack of action depiciting aliens fighting against predators! The script wasted so much time setting up the story, very little was left to actually get to the fighting. Very poorly written.

[EXO]

I watched AvP for what it was.... a mindless action movie, but it was really lacking on the action to be honest. Only 2 scenes spring to mind as "action scenes" and those are the predator vs the alien and everyone against the queen, both didn't last more then 10 minutes. I think they tried to make it a sort of suspense action movie, but theres no suspense or action here 

In addition to many other criticisms I had of AVP, the lack of action you mentioned is one of my biggest complaints. For a film called "Alien vs. Predator" there is a surprising lack of action depiciting aliens fighting against predators! The script wasted so much time setting up the story, very little was left to actually get to the fighting. Very poorly written.

Just like the Resident Evil barely had any actual zombie killings in it. Most of the crew sent in got killed by some cube lasers and the almost all the zombies were killed in one room. Just lame.

[GobotFool]

Maybe they might surpise us with an R rating instead?

Or go all-out and give us an NC-17 with explicit alien/predator love scenes.

That would be worse than anything they've yet come up with.

Lol...in today's world anything is possible.

please, don't give the bad directors bad ideas, they most certainly will use them

[Skull Leader]

Oh GOD... if only they had stuck with the original screenplay that was written in the late 1980s/early 90s.... it never would've come to this!

Original script:

-Aliens: check

-Predators: check

-Predator/Alien Hybrid: check

-Colonial Marines: check

-Hapless colony wasted: check

-badass samurai chick: check

-production budget and itenerary: NO GO....

The original "Aliens VS. Predator": the movie script that impressed everyone but the people it had to.

All we would need in this case is for Sigourney Weaver to walk in to the offices at Fox and say "wha..... did IQs just drop sharply while I was away???"

Mr. March, it would definately apply that you aren't alone in your concerns that the "vast majority" of the masses seem to neither think nor care about a quality movie anymore... Granted: I loved Lord of the Rings as much as anyone else, and I'm equally excited about SW: episode III, but when was the last time something EPIC and ORIGINAL hit the screen? "The Matrix" was off to a good start and then promptly took a first class ticket down the shithole (they should've filmed all three back to back like Jackson did with LotR... that way we would've had an "unblemished" view of the sequels... not some fanboy-influenced equine excrement.)

[Gumper]

didnt really enjoy AVP much myself Loved the games on the pc though Scary

Anyways, spotted this, which I believe was a typo by Ghadrack, but made me laugh:

"she has been impregnated by a predator warrior who was infucted with an alien embryo."

infucted LOL.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

Oh GOD... if only they had stuck with the original screenplay that was written in the late 1980s/early 90s.... it never would've come to this!

Original script:

-Aliens: check

-Predators: check

-Predator/Alien Hybrid: check

-Colonial Marines: check

-Hapless colony wasted: check

-badass samurai chick: check

-production budget and itenerary: NO GO....

COLONIAL MARINES : Check

TRASH TALKING : Check

COOL GUNS AND EQUIPMENT : Check

Some aliens/predators to shoot at : Check

Thats all any movie needs!

[Fort Max]

I also never saw this movie and probably never will. I thought it looked it looked avaerage at best from the first trailer, my friend however was well fired up for it.

He did go to see it and he regretted it. A different friend also saw it and loved it so yeah there are people who like these simple movies.

What really makes me wonder though is whether the people who go see a film casually to kill a couple of hours would buy said movie on dvd. As dvd sales now make up a significant cut of any movies profits then perhaps just ignoring them on the store shelves might get the message across to the film studios since they can't tell from a tciket sale whether that particular cinema goer liked it or not.

[JB0]

"The Matrix" was off to a good start and then promptly took a first class ticket down the shithole (they should've filmed all three back to back like Jackson did with LotR... that way we would've had an "unblemished" view of the sequels... not some fanboy-influenced equine excrement.)

I don't think it was concieved as a trilogy to start with, is the problem.

Prsonally, I think they shoulda left it as a stand-alone. But it made too mcuh money to do that.

[yellowlightman]

"The Matrix" was off to a good start and then promptly took a first class ticket down the shithole (they should've filmed all three back to back like Jackson did with LotR... that way we would've had an "unblemished" view of the sequels... not some fanboy-influenced equine excrement.)

I don't think it was concieved as a trilogy to start with, is the problem.

Prsonally, I think they shoulda left it as a stand-alone. But it made too mcuh money to do that.

The two Matrix sequels sucked hard because with the original Matrix, the Wachowski brothers had to revise and polish the script so much just to get it made they actally had to make it a dencent movie, opposed to the sequels where they were given the green light to do whatever they want and (obviously) didn't put nearly as much effort in cleaning up or polishing the scripts.

[JB0]

"The Matrix" was off to a good start and then promptly took a first class ticket down the shithole (they should've filmed all three back to back like Jackson did with LotR... that way we would've had an "unblemished" view of the sequels... not some fanboy-influenced equine excrement.)

I don't think it was concieved as a trilogy to start with, is the problem.

Prsonally, I think they shoulda left it as a stand-alone. But it made too mcuh money to do that.

The two Matrix sequels sucked hard because with the original Matrix, the Wachowski brothers had to revise and polish the script so much just to get it made they actally had to make it a dencent movie, opposed to the sequels where they were given the green light to do whatever they want and (obviously) didn't put nearly as much effort in cleaning up or polishing the scripts.

Not arguing with that.

[1st Border Red Devil]

Bet they get Uwe Boll to make 'AVP Harder'.......

[hirohawa]

I just saw Kindom of Heaven and after the last 3 or four turds would not be keen to see Ridley Scott direct another movie much less another Alien Movie.

While his early films where amazing his new films are amazingly boring and dumb. They are spectacular to look at but I want to see a story not a three hour cinematographers reel.

[Isamu Atreides 86]

I just saw Kindom of Heaven and after the last 3 or four turds would not be keen to see Ridley Scott direct another movie much less another Alien Movie.

While his early films where amazing his new films are amazingly boring and dumb. They are spectacular to look at but I want to see a story not a three hour cinematographers reel.

You really didn't like Black Hawk Down and Gladiator? I thought there was plenty of story to go around on both of those films.

[Uxi]

Kingdom of Heaven was far better than I was expecting. About on par with Gladiator, though better on the actual history (which was a pleasent surprise since one of my favorite areas of history is the Crusades and I've most of the classic sources -Runciman, etc near memorized and on the shelf).

As far as AvP. I want it like a porno: right to the action with minimal (if zero) attempt at "plot." Just get to Aliens and Predators eviscerating each other with some hapless humans caught in the middle (and preferably shredded).

[myk]

Unfortunately, alot of 'porn tries to have some sort of story, for all of the couples seeking "inspiration" I suppose.

Anyway, what's this Alien Vs Predator "Unrated" nonsense all about? Word has it that there is a substantial amount of re-integrated footage that should help the dismal story somewhat.

This two-disc set comes out Tuesday...

[sabretooth]

god i hope they eat their own diseased rectums... i think i shall stop hoping to ever see a decent film again in my life time.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

To be fair, the original Terminator was a slow pile of tin, too. It was just stubborn.

I imagine a modern Robocop movie would feature some stunts.

291527[/snapback]

As long as he doesn't cover up that fleshy jaw of his, Robocop can be punked by any street hoodlum with a handgun. Robocop makes as much tactical sense as those open air mecha (can't remember the name!) from Matrix 3.

[sabretooth]

death boxes

[wolfx]

To be fair, the original Terminator was a slow pile of tin, too. It was just stubborn.

I imagine a modern Robocop movie would feature some stunts.

291527[/snapback]

As long as he doesn't cover up that fleshy jaw of his, Robocop can be punked by any street hoodlum with a handgun. Robocop makes as much tactical sense as those open air mecha (can't remember the name!) from Matrix 3.

346090[/snapback]

I don't think those fleshy bits have anything to do with him being able to be alive. IIRC, they ripped his head from his body and he was still alive. I'm sure it just a face for people to feel easy talking with....urmm..well..not like it was easy talking to a bald freak with some sorta machinations at the back...but yeah. Probably only thing organic about him was his brains and eyes and some synthetic flesh ala terminator.

ANd yeah those things are called APUs....whatever they stand for.

[Retracting Head Ter Ter]

I don't think those fleshy bits have anything to do with him being able to be alive. IIRC, they ripped his head from his body and he was still alive. I'm sure it just a face for people to feel easy talking with....urmm..well..not like it was easy talking to a bald freak with some sorta machinations at the back...but yeah. Probably only thing organic about him was his brains and eyes and some synthetic flesh ala terminator.

ANd yeah those things are called APUs....whatever they stand for.

346117[/snapback]

IIRC, he had to eat some nutrient paste thru his mouth right? Remember seeing that in Robocop 1. Which means he gotta have erm, some kinda exhaust system...

A round smashing into his upper lip should mush the whole inside of the head after rebounding off the metal bits at the back of his neck/head armour.

[Sumdumgai]

I always wondered why no one shot robocop in the mouth... Shooting him in the face with a shotgun was the firs thing I thought of when seeing everyone shooting at him ineffectively.