Newbie Questions on Macross

[sketchley]

Watch the opening animation of the VF-X game. It does a pretty good job of showing a pilot getting into, and launching a VF from that vessel.

PS the name of the vessel is Valhalla III (VCV) Stealth Attack Variable Carrier Vessel. Sentinel is a class of surface carriers used during the UN Wars: http://macross.anime.net//mecha/united_nat...inel/index.html

Edited May 18, 2007 by sketchley

[Zinjo]

Watch the opening animation of the VF-X game. It does a pretty good job of showing a pilot getting into, and launching a VF from that vessel.

Not to mention in a zero gravity enviroment, the pilots and technical crews can essentially "fly" around inside the hanger deck unless it has gravity control...

[RDClip]

Do the Megaroad class ships have Macross cannons?

Update: Surprising, i guess no one knows.

Edited May 29, 2007 by RDClip

[s001]

I was wondering about a background explanation for the differences between SDFM and DYRL vf-1´s. Maybe the vf-1´s in DYRL are actually vf-1x plus enhanced valkyries and the differences are the design

improvements.

Remember that the DYRL movie was released in 2031 and the vf-1´s actualization program starts in 2025. According to the storyline.

It sounds right to me, after all the DYRL and Mac+ SDF-1 are the same design. Don´t you think?

[Radd]

From everything I've seen, the DYRL updated VF design is meant to be the "official" VF-1 design, and the VF-1X update within the Macross universe shows no exterior differences.

[briscojr84]

Since it's a quick question does anybody know how many octos attacked the Island in Macross Zero.

[op4_delta]

I will check episodes 3 and 4 of macross zero to see if I can get a number of octos.

[briscojr84]

I will check episodes 3 and 4 of macross zero to see if I can get a number of octos.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[op4_delta]

To answer you briscojr84: Four OCTOS are seen underwater attacking the mayan village, then a total of six are seen in amphibious mode on the mayan beach, being this the maximum number of OCTOS on a single scene.

I hope this helps you mate.

[briscojr84]

To answer you briscojr84: Four OCTOS are seen underwater attacking the mayan village, then a total of six are seen in amphibious mode on the mayan beach, being this the maximum number of OCTOS on a single scene.

I hope this helps you mate.

Sure does, thanks.

[Zinjo]

Are the "Fz" series of fighter shown in SK design works and featured in Mac 7 Zentreadi specific variable fighters?

I was curious as to their origins, since we know that the fighters were deployed with the Megaroad 13 fleet, however the "VF" series of fighters went down a different development path.

I understand that a Fz fighter was featured in VF-X (IIRC) but no where else in the universe...

Edited June 20, 2007 by Zinjo

[Zinjo]

Do the Megaroad class ships have Macross cannons?

Update: Surprising, i guess no one knows.

Well the SDF-2 Megaroad had one, but when it was converted to a colony vessel there is no mention of it. When you examine the Megaroad colony ship designs there doesn't appear to be any buster cannon, however it launched with a fleet of escort ships that had the combined firepower of several buster cannons.

There is no official documentation about a buster cannon on the colony ship as far as I know.

Edited June 20, 2007 by Zinjo

[briscojr84]

Are the "Fz" series of fighter shown in SK design works and featured in Mac 7 Zentreadi specific variable fighters?

I was curious as to their origins, since we know that the fighters were deployed with the Megaroad 13 fleet, however the "VF" series of fighters went down a different development path.

I understand that a Fz fighter was featured in VF-X (IIRC) but no where else in the universe...

If you are talking about the ones from Macross 7 there is the Fz-109, Az-130, and FBz-99, all of which are shown in the SK Macross design works in detail, and in either two or three forms at about thumbnail size in his other Design Works book.

These fighters were actually designed and built by the Varauta not the M13 colony, they were mainly based off of a couple of other VF/VA's. Fz-109-VF-14, Az-130-VA-14, and the FBz-99-VAB-2D.

The Fighter shown in VF-X is the EVA/Variable Device. It was built by the Zentraedi after they stole the VF-11 Prototype.

[sketchley]

Other names for the enemy fighter in VF-X and VF-X2 are:

Enemy Valkyrie

Pheyos Valkyrie

[Zinjo]

These fighters were actually designed and built by the Varauta not the M13 colony, they were mainly based off of a couple of other VF/VA's. Fz-109-VF-14, Az-130-VA-14, and the FBz-99-VAB-2D.

Did they base them on the VF's or were the existing aircraft adapted?

[azrael]

Did they base them on the VF's or were the existing aircraft adapted?

Based off. It's hard to say what was adapted and what was not since we have no idea what the Varauta production facilities were like. The Varauta-series share similar* power plants and transformations (and possibly some interior framework) to their UN counterparts, but that's where the UN design ends and the Varauta design begins.

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/variable/Fz109.html

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/var...z130/index.html

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/variable/FBz99.html

*I use "similar" in the vague sense.

[Zinjo]

Based off. It's hard to say what was adapted and what was not since we have no idea what the Varauta production facilities were like. The Varauta-series share similar* power plants and transformations (and possibly some interior framework) to their UN counterparts, but that's where the UN design ends and the Varauta design begins.

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/variable/Fz109.html

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/var...z130/index.html

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/varauta/variable/FBz99.html

*I use "similar" in the vague sense.

Hmm, interesting how the Earth mfgr is mentioned in the title along with the Varuata mfgr in the compendium...

If it were solely a Varuata fighter wouldn't the title only reference Messer-Varuata? The basis of the design could just as easily reference General Galaxy's fighter.

So that makes me wonder why it was listed in that way?

Edited June 20, 2007 by Zinjo

[sketchley]

It was a colony fleet that was absorbed by the reawakened Protodevlin to form the Varuta. Therefore, those companies were active and present in the colony fleet. Through a combination of the existing technologies in the fleet and the uber technologies possessed by the Protodevlin, the Varuta (most likely mind controlled technicians from the colony fleet) upgraded the existing VFs in the fleet. The upgrades resulted in what is known as the Varuta variable fighters.

[Zinjo]

It was a colony fleet that was absorbed by the reawakened Protodevlin to form the Varuta. Therefore, those companies were active and present in the colony fleet. Through a combination of the existing technologies in the fleet and the uber technologies possessed by the Protodevlin, the Varuta (most likely mind controlled technicians from the colony fleet) upgraded the existing VFs in the fleet. The upgrades resulted in what is known as the Varuta variable fighters.

That has become the question, were the fighters adapted / converted or built from scratch...?

[briscojr84]

That has become the question, were the fighters adapted / converted or built from scratch...?

Most likely built from scratch, it's easier to cannibalize parts you want and melt down the rest to build new stuff than convert the old.

Plus the fact that they built all new ships, and weapons.

[Zinjo]

Most likely built from scratch, it's easier to cannibalize parts you want and melt down the rest to build new stuff than convert the old.

Plus the fact that they built all new ships, and weapons.

That may be true, but why then did all the fighters look remarkably like the fighters they were "based" upon if scratch built?

With the PD's exposure to PC technology would it not make more sense to build fighters in the same vein as they were used to as opposed to copying inferior designs? Why not use the materials to build Q-Raus or PC variants of the Q-Raus or better?

We don't even know how many of the capital ships were built from scratch or converted, since we have no idea what the Megaroad 13 fleet looked like.

[sketchley]

It's not clear either way. Based on what's presented in the compendium (mixed names of UN and Protodevlin manufacturers,) it's highly probable that the Varuta VFs were upgraded or converted, and not built from scratch.

Why not Q-rau's? SDF:M proved that the technology inherent in all VFs is greater than the centuries old technology in the Zentraedi and Supervision Armys' arsenals. (Keep in mind that the Supervision Army was/is composed of Zentraedi and Protoculture elements, thus implying a similar technology level.)

The other angle to look at it is the pilots of the VFs: they are all brainwashed UN Spacy citizens, born and trained to pilot VFs. Piloting VFs requires little to no additional training.

Edited June 21, 2007 by sketchley

[Zinjo]

It's not clear either way. Based on what's presented in the compendium (mixed names of UN and Protodevlin manufacturers,) it's highly probable that the Varuta VFs were upgraded or converted, and not built from scratch.

Why not Q-rau's? SDF:M proved that the technology inherent in all VFs is greater than the centuries old technology in the Zentraedi and Supervision Armys' arsenals. (Keep in mind that the Supervision Army was/is composed of Zentraedi and Protoculture elements, thus implying a similar technology level.)

The other angle to look at it is the pilots of the VFs: they are all brainwashed UN Spacy citizens, born and trained to pilot VFs. Piloting VFs requires little to no additional training.

That was my point. I lean toward the notion that the Varuata equipment were largely converted as opposed to built from scratch. Now some equipment may well have been acratch built to for a specific purpose, but it is most probable that most were converted.

To speculate on the SA's tech is speculating on a speculation, since all we know about them is what's been revealed second hand and that has been fairly sparse. Studio Nue has kept that enigamtic army out of sight for 25 years (so far).

[Ishimaru]

I've been pondering at this question for awhile but I saw this image while watching MII of what I'm guessing would be the best interpretation of the Macross?

Just confused on what it really is...

[Lonewolf]

I've been pondering at this question for awhile but I saw this image while watching MII of what I'm guessing would be the best interpretation of the Macross?

Just confused on what it really is...

It's the Alus. A ship of legend in Macross II.

Ishtar confused it with the Macross. They are completly different ships.

[Zinjo]

It's the Alus. A ship of legend in Macross II.

Ishtar confused it with the Macross. They are completly different ships.

Possibly.

There were no actual images of the Alus as far as we know, therefore it is conceivable that it is a representation of the legendary ship based on speculation or Ishtar's imagination as to what the ship would look like based on her personal experience.

The show did not run long enough to explain the discrepancies of the image to the ship...

I believe at that point she hadn't seen the Macross yet.

[Ishimaru]

Possibly.

There were no actual images of the Alus as far as we know, therefore it is conceivable that it is a representation of the legendary ship based on speculation or Ishtar's imagination as to what the ship would look like based on her personal experience.

The show did not run long enough to explain the discrepancies of the image to the ship...

I believe at that point she hadn't seen the Macross yet.

But she is already on the ship so...how could that be her vision of it?

[Dinyctis]

Yeah, i've got a few questions.

1) The photos that Misa gives to Hikaru in one of the original episodes; did Hikaru take those pictures? Or were they just random pictures Misa had of herself?

2) In DYRL, what happens to the FAST Packs on the orange trainer after the Zentradi ship folds? They disappear off the craft when Hikaru and Misa fold out on Earth. Is this a continuity goof?

3) What is the true scale of the Valkyries/other transformables? I guess for dramatic effect, the mecha violate conservation of matter particularly when in battroid mode but it makes it difficult to discern true size.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Dinyctis

[eugimon]

Yeah, i've got a few questions.

1) The photos that Misa gives to Hikaru in one of the original episodes; did Hikaru take them or something? Or were they just random pictures Misa had of herself?

2) In DYRL, what happens to the FAST Packs on the orange trainer after the Zentradi ship folds? They disappear off the craft when Hikaru and Misa fold out on Earth. Is this a continuity goof?

3) What is the true scale of the Valkyries/other transformables? I guess for dramatic effect, the mecha violate conservation of matter particularly when in battroid mode but it makes it difficult to discern true size.

no idea about number 1.

2. they get jettisoned after they enter into atmo. watch it again.

3. http://www.un-spacy-qmtdb.com/M3.html go and look them up

[Mr March]

Welcome to Macross World Dinyctis!

Yeah, i've got a few questions.

1) The photos that Misa gives to Hikaru in one of the original episodes; did Hikaru take them or something? Or were they just random pictures Misa had of herself?

2) In DYRL, what happens to the FAST Packs on the orange trainer after the Zentradi ship folds? They disappear off the craft when Hikaru and Misa fold out on Earth. Is this a continuity goof?

3) What is the true scale of the Valkyries/other transformables? I guess for dramatic effect, the mecha violate conservation of matter particularly when in battroid mode but it makes it difficult to discern true size.

Answer 1) The pictures of herself are some that Misa wanted Hikaru to have. The origin of the photos are unimportant, what's important is that Misa wanted to be in Hikaru's life, like Minmay was (Misa stumbled on Hikaru's photo album filled with Minmay pictures and so Misa sought to compete with Minmay by giving Hikaru some pictures of her).

Answer 2) The FAST Packs for the VT-1 are space only hardware. When the Valkyrie folded into an atmosphere, the computer detected it was in an atmosphere and automatically ejected the packs.

Answer 3) Official statistics are 14.23 meters long in Fighter mode and 12.68 meters tall in Battroid mode. CHeck out the VF-1A entry on my website for more.

VF-1A Valkyrie on Macross Mecha Manual

[Pat Payne]

Welcome to Macross World Dinyctis!

Answer 1) The pictures of herself are some that Misa wanted Hikaru to have. The origin of the photos are unimportant, what's important is that Misa wanted to be in Hikaru's life, like Minmay was (Misa stumbled on Hikaru's photo album filled with Minmay pictures and so Misa sought to compete with Minmay by giving Hikaru some pictures of her).

Although Mr. March is spot on about the photos in 1), I'd add that most look like they were taken of Misa when she was considerably younger (including at least one which looks like it was an Academy photo) and so would have to date from before she met Hikaru. Only the ones of her and the cat and Shammy, IIRC, are ones that could have been taken on board Macross during or after SW1.

[azrael]

Answer 3) Official statistics are 14.23 meters long in Fighter mode and 12.68 meters tall in Battroid mode. CHeck out the VF-1A entry on my website for more.

Official stats: Macross Compendium

[Dinyctis]

Although Mr. March is spot on about the photos in 1), I'd add that most look like they were taken of Misa when she was considerably younger (including at least one which looks like it was an Academy photo) and so would have to date from before she met Hikaru. Only the ones of her and the cat and Shammy, IIRC, are ones that could have been taken on board Macross during or after SW1.

I just watched through that episode again. Poor Misa. Hahah.

[Scream Man]

What do the shoulder FATS packs on the YF-19 actually do.

[Mr March]

What do the shoulder *FAST* packs on the YF-19 actually do.

*Edit for clarity by me*

They are specifically identified as propellant tanks.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Mr March