ewilen Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) The -1R is purely a robotech thing. The three-laser CF's shown in SDF Macross are an animation error. Discussed in the licensing debate thread in the other anime forum, among other places. The official list of VF-1 variants is at the compendium, http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nati.../vf1/index.html Also from the compendium, Kawamori's credits for SDF Macross: Creator*, Production Supervisor*, Mecha Design, Storyboard*, Script (episode 36) *under pennameSee http://macross.anime.net/production/creato...hoji/index.htmlEdit: the original series director was Noboru Ishiguro. Here's his credits: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...ple.php?id=8366 Edited January 28, 2004 by ewilen
Sumdumgai Posted January 28, 2004 Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) Okay, I've been wondering for a while. Why do people sometimes refer to Kawamori as the "hoary froating head"? I don't suppose he pulled that terrible "Elrond trick"... edit: Thanks Ewilen Edited January 29, 2004 by Sumdumgai
Macross Forever Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 Is "reaction weaponry" basically nuclear weapons?
Southcross Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 Well if your talking about what was refered to as "Reflex Weaponry" from the Robotech series (don't recall the Macross name for it, for all I can remember it might be the same). Its based upon a type of nuclear fusion (producing no radiation). Same type of reaction used to power the Veritechs/Valks, just in an uncontrolled manor to create a detonation.
imode Posted January 29, 2004 Posted January 29, 2004 Is "reaction weaponry" basically nuclear weapons? Essentially, yes. The leading theory/rumor (was it confirmed that Kawamori said this?) is that due to the unpopularity of nuclear weapons in Japan he feared that using it in the series would be a bad thing and thus came up with the more creative name, "reactive weaponry."
JB0 Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Well if your talking about what was refered to as "Reflex Weaponry" from the Robotech series (don't recall the Macross name for it, for all I can remember it might be the same). It was called recation weaponry. Its based upon a type of nuclear fusion (producing no radiation). Same type of reaction used to power the Veritechs/Valks, just in an uncontrolled manor to create a detonation. Actually, it DOES produce radiation. This is mentioned in the first episode, I believe, when the ARMDs launch reaction warheads at the Zentradi ships. The aliens subsequently "sneak" down to Earth, because the radiation from the ARMD strike has made the Macross' sensors essentially useless in that area, which happens to be where the aliens are coming, so they get closer than they should before detection.
Macross Forever Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Ha, thanks . The version I have has terrible subtitles, and that whole conversation in the first episode was explained really badly.
Southcross Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 (edited) ah crap... too bad I can't delete my own posts Edited January 30, 2004 by Southcross
wolfx Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 This hit me yesterday while rewatching SDF. Ok, I assume that 70-80% of the earth was decimated....survivors consisting only of the 20% odd survivors on earth and the rest that is on the Macross. Put those survivors with defected Zentraedi. 40 years later (in Macross 7), the earth is assumingly back to full population, and they can afford to send a bunch of immigration fleets to colonise other planets. Unless every survivor mated with every female (human or zentraedi) making one baby each 9 months.....I can't see how earth could've got such a huge population boom in 40 odd years. It would probably take a state as big as Texas to populate and man the Macross 7 fleet even....considering the amount of gunships and escort ships they have, not including their numerous casualties suffered with the Varauta army even.... Any thoughts?
Southcross Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 This hit me yesterday while rewatching SDF.Ok, I assume that 70-80% of the earth was decimated....survivors consisting only of the 20% odd survivors on earth and the rest that is on the Macross. Put those survivors with defected Zentraedi. 40 years later (in Macross 7), the earth is assumingly back to full population, and they can afford to send a bunch of immigration fleets to colonise other planets. Unless every survivor mated with every female (human or zentraedi) making one baby each 9 months.....I can't see how earth could've got such a huge population boom in 40 odd years. It would probably take a state as big as Texas to populate and man the Macross 7 fleet even....considering the amount of gunships and escort ships they have, not including their numerous casualties suffered with the Varauta army even.... Any thoughts? Well interesting math problem there It can get really complex, so I will keep it really simple (If I can) Mac7 is 45 years later isn't it??? But I'll just stick with 40. Well lets say there are 40 years, thats 480 monthes: equates to 53.333 possible birth periods of 9 months gestation (presuming Zentreadi is the same duration, no twins, no premies, no still births, Deaths, murders, same sex partners without a chemistry sets, etc) If we assume a man and woman couple as 1 (producing a single child) because the child can't have children by itself we we consider it .5 as it gets older. Say there are 20k survivors (10k couples) all of childbearing ages. The first 9 monthes = 5k babies. Assuming at the age of 12 the children are ready to have children. Come now, your rebuilding the world's population. Presuming you don't go as far to either start cloaning, test-tube babies, giving the children hormones to start having children at the age of 9, or something like that. In 12 years thats 16 gestation periods. At this point there are now a population of 25k people of birthing age (12500 couples). 12500 couples have a child each, the next gestation period the 2nd set of babies is now old enough to have children. Next Gestation period the 3rd set of babies are now old enough... so on and so forth At this point I have to switch to Excel to calculate the population... At the end of 39yrs 9months.... the estimated population would be 5,208,750 people. Now if 1% have have twins: 5,260,737 Now it gets more complex figuring out who got to old to have children anymore... then you also gotta try and figure out where the inbreading starts, and what percentage of possible birth defects are acceptable.... etc *gonna post this, think about it some more... I might need to edit it
Southcross Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 ACK! woops I was having the 12 yo children dividing like ameoba (sp?) at 40 years that would be 630,000 (huge freekin difference). 636,100 with 1% twins
Anubis Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 They never really said earth was fully populated again. As Isamu and Guld fought you ould clearly see the barren crater filled landscape still, until they reached the city. The cities built after SW1 were the poplation centers, which kept expanding naturally, and environment reconstruction was being worked as much as possible. It would take a loooooong time to repopulate the earth fully, or restore the eco-system. Global said he didn't want to give another chance to being wiped out completely and wanted to start sending colony ships right away. Spread humanity out so there would be at least someone would survive if earth were to be glassed all over again. Also, didn't they use the Zentradi's cloning/artificial birth to boost the population? Not to mention that there were literally millions and millions of Zentradi left over after the war, most micronized and integrated into the population. The M5 fleet was entirerly zentradi, and apparently not the only one like that. One could also hypothesize that the Zentradi bred like rabbits commonly. Look at Max and Millia as an example: 7 daughters.
Duke Togo Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 From the Macross Compedium 2010 May Mass cloning of people as well as animals and plants through the use of Protoculture technology begins. Start of nature reclaimation project. Earth ecosystem rehabilitation begins 2030 December Because of the increase in hereditary children's diseases due to the overuse of cloning, mass cloning is terminated. 20 years of mass cloning is ALOT of people.
Pat Payne Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 Is "reaction weaponry" basically nuclear weapons? Essentially, yes. The leading theory/rumor (was it confirmed that Kawamori said this?) is that due to the unpopularity of nuclear weapons in Japan he feared that using it in the series would be a bad thing and thus came up with the more creative name, "reactive weaponry." I'd always heard that there was an unspoken rule on Japanese TV at the time that heroes weren't allowed to use nuclear weapons.
Sumdumgai Posted January 30, 2004 Posted January 30, 2004 From the Macross Compedium2010 May Mass cloning of people as well as animals and plants through the use of Protoculture technology begins. Start of nature reclaimation project. Earth ecosystem rehabilitation begins 2030 December Because of the increase in hereditary children's diseases due to the overuse of cloning, mass cloning is terminated. 20 years of mass cloning is ALOT of people. Wonder how many Miria clones there are out there...
wolfx Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 From the Macross Compedium2010 May Mass cloning of people as well as animals and plants through the use of Protoculture technology begins. Start of nature reclaimation project. Earth ecosystem rehabilitation begins 2030 December Because of the increase in hereditary children's diseases due to the overuse of cloning, mass cloning is terminated. 20 years of mass cloning is ALOT of people. GASP! Max is a clone that's why he looks so young for a almost 60 yr old person! Kidding. Mass cloning of people...now that I didn't know. It would make more sense I guess. But, realistically, how many people in the population would want to be cloned? And among these samples, I would imagine there to have alot clones in the world. (Macross III....Attack of the Clones) So Earth would have a population of 50% clones by M7? Not to mention that there were literally millions and millions of Zentradi left over after the war, most micronized and integrated into the population The Zentraedi theory also would mean that more than half of humanity consists of Zentrans....which sounds strange. It would mean the fine line between terrans and zentran to be totally non-existent. A total assimilation into the human race. Yeah right, as if that would happen realistically considering humans are all racist bastards..... But I said I assumed that the earth was close to fully populated, because how many colonisation fleets have already been launched up to M7? I don't know the number, but apparently there have been enough people on all immigration fleets to fill up earth itself. By M7, Eden already has a bustling metropolis and there's the Macross 5 and 7 on colonisation expeditions. It doesn't quite add up. Southcross: interesting calculations. But I will not be willing to accept 12 yr olds bonking each other. I guess cloning does sound the most realistic answer, but imagine the moral dilemmas faced due to cloning? How many people of the human race are clones? At the sound of it, you'll probably see 5 instances of the same person in your lifespan.
JB0 Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 From the Macross Compedium2010 May   Mass cloning of people as well as animals and plants through the use of Protoculture technology begins.   Start of nature reclaimation project. Earth ecosystem rehabilitation begins 2030 December   Because of the increase in hereditary children's diseases due to the overuse of cloning, mass cloning is terminated. 20 years of mass cloning is ALOT of people. GASP! Max is a clone that's why he looks so young for a almost 60 yr old person! Kidding. Best serious guess is that overtechnology offered major medical advancements as well as weaponry and mecha. Mass cloning of people...now that I didn't know. It would make more sense I guess. But, realistically, how many people in the population would want to be cloned? What they want is irrelevant if the government mandates they HAVE to submit to cloning. Survival outside of the cities is a questionable prospect at best, even with the reclamation project going on. I'd give my sample and get on with life. I guess cloning does sound the most realistic answer, but imagine the moral dilemmas faced due to cloning? How many people of the human race are clones? At the sound of it, you'll probably see 5 instances of the same person in your lifespan. Same genetic material, not same person. Environment shapes appearances to some degree, and personality to a great degree. And how does the moral dilemma of cloning compare to the moral dilemma of letting humanity die out? Morals are all relative, and this one wasn't a debate people could afford to have.
blackjek Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 hi there, just wondering which is the series in which vf-11 was the main jet?
Southcross Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 Southcross: interesting calculations. But I will not be willing to accept 12 yr olds bonking each other. LMAO Well I was considering the whole purpose was to increase the population. If you were to go back to the Cromagnum (sp?) era, where the age expentancy was about 30, they started procreation at puberty. But it is an interesting calculation to go from 20k people and have 600k+ people in 40 years... the doctors/nurses in the local hospitals would NEVER be able to keep up. Cloneing would be a good way to go.. my suggestion would be a clone to natural birth ratio of about 60/40. Gradually rotating the natural births into the gene pool and then back out again. This "new" genetic material would lower the instances of genetic mutation. There is also the idea of using hormone therapy to "increase" the number of twins, triplicates, etc. hey I have always yelled at the screen during the scene where Hikaru and Lisa are on the earth saying are we the only ones left: "Woohoo! We get to rebuild the population!"
azrael Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 hi there, just wondering which is the series in which vf-11 was the main jet? The VF-11 served as the main UNS fighter from 2030 through the 2040s and into the 2050s. (M+ thru M7) http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...vf11/index.html
JB0 Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 hi there, just wondering which is the series in which vf-11 was the main jet? The VF-11 served as the main UNS fighter from 2030 through the 2040s and into the 2050s. (M+ thru M7) http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...vf11/index.html AKA the great unanimated void. It's the main jet during Macross Plus, but as Plus revolves around Project Supernova, you don't get to see much of the 11.
goldenboy_forever Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 Hi guys sorry if this is a old question but I recently bought the animego box set. The one thats special editon pre order with 9 dvd. Well I was watching the third dvd episode 10 "the blind game" . The part when misa voulenters to be in the cats eye recon ship and a zentradi battle pod fly over the ship and kakizaki was going to chase after it then it show max in his plane then the F!%king thing feezes like its on pause . Man I was pist so I went to the local video anime store to rent the exact same dvd but the same thing happens. Right when it shows Max the dvd freezes. I mean I could fast foward a second after and it would be fine but at that very moment when they show max the dvd stops. Is this a manufacturing screw up or I'm I not lucky . Well thanks for hearing my story. Do you guys know if there was a recall on the defective dvds?? did anyone else have this problem? Sorry for my ranting please direct me in the right direction just pist off because I paid mucho denero for the set oh well Man it felt good watching macross brings back good old memories (mods if this is in the wrong forum please move it to your hearts content thanks)
blackjek Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 ok so the vf-11 was the "main" jet during macross plus to macross 7 era BUT its never the main jet of the show rite? as in never any of the lead actors? Thanks guys!!
wolfx Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 What they want is irrelevant if the government mandates they HAVE to submit to cloning. Survival outside of the cities is a questionable prospect at best, even with the reclamation project going on. I'd give my sample and get on with life. Same genetic material, not same person. Environment shapes appearances to some degree, and personality to a great degree. And how does the moral dilemma of cloning compare to the moral dilemma of letting humanity die out? Morals are all relative, and this one wasn't a debate people could afford to have. You make it sound as if the UN military are Nazis. Well...they were bastards during Space War 1....but they were more or less wiped out leaving Global and the other general dudes forming the new military and UN Government. I know its not the same person...I mean, you know what they say that you'd probably meet one person in your life that looks exactly like you. With cloning...you'd probably see 5-10...and I guess that's kinda freaky in itself. True...cloning would be the best solution for huge scale interplanetary immigration....but I have a feeling this would cause them to get bitten in the butt in the future....
blackjek Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 (edited) hi there, another jet question. vf-22? are they the commonly used jets in macross? or wat?? dun rem seeing them. wat about the vf-2 and the vf-2ss? did it only appeared in the game? wats the difference?? Edited January 31, 2004 by blackjek
Coota0 Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 you see the VF-2 is the standard model, the VF-2SS is the Super Sport model and in between is the VF-2Z28, big engine but not as much power as the SS, but if you mod it a bit you can get all sorts of power more than a stock SS Sorry I just couldn't resist
Druna Skass Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 hi there, another jet question. vf-22? are they the commonly used jets in macross? or wat?? dun rem seeing them. wat about the vf-2 and the vf-2ss? did it only appeared in the game? wats the difference?? The VF-22S is a spec. ops. fighter. Only the elite people, and people like Max and Millia, get those. The VF-2 is the standard issue in Macross II. VF-2JA for atmosphereic use, VF-2SS for space use. The JA has a more angular look and the SS has that big SAP pack with the bits.
azrael Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 ...Do you guys know if there was a recall on the defective dvds?? did anyone else have this problem? A. Wrong thread. B. There was no recall on defective discs. You might have gotten a manufacturing problem. Return it from where you got it and ask if they can replace it (i.e. exchange for another copy of the set) ok so the vf-11 was the "main" jet during macross plus to macross 7 era BUT its never the main jet of the show rite? as in never any of the lead actors? Isamu flew a VF-11 if that counts.... The VF-22S is a spec. ops. fighter. Only the elite people, and people like Max and Millia, get those. Better answer would be: http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...vf22/index.html did it only appeared in the game? The VF-2 only appeared in Macross II.
Southcross Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 I mean I could fast foward a second after and it would be fine but at that very moment when they show max the dvd stops. I know what the problem is.... you have an older DVD player dont' you? The problem is the dual layer disks. I have the same problem with my $300 Panasonic DVD player playing Monty Python and the Holy Grail... my neighbor's $50 plays it just fine. No solution other than to get a different DVD player. I use my PS2 to watch the movie.
JB0 Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 ...Do you guys know if there was a recall on the defective dvds?? did anyone else have this problem? A. Wrong thread. B. There was no recall on defective discs. You might have gotten a manufacturing problem. Return it from where you got it and ask if they can replace it (i.e. exchange for another copy of the set) Southcross: The Macross DVDs are 1-layer, as I recall. Animeigo did that intentionally. He tried 2 disks. I suspect it's a player problem. Alas, DVD players aren't all created equal, and some are real bitches about some disks.
JB0 Posted January 31, 2004 Posted January 31, 2004 What they want is irrelevant if the government mandates they HAVE to submit to cloning. Survival outside of the cities is a questionable prospect at best, even with the reclamation project going on. I'd give my sample and get on with life. Same genetic material, not same person. Environment shapes appearances to some degree, and personality to a great degree. And how does the moral dilemma of cloning compare to the moral dilemma of letting humanity die out? Morals are all relative, and this one wasn't a debate people could afford to have. You make it sound as if the UN military are Nazis. Well...they were bastards during Space War 1....but they were more or less wiped out leaving Global and the other general dudes forming the new military and UN Government. Well, I would argue that the preservation of the human race takes precedent over poorly-articulated arguments about the sanctity of life. ... They may practice eugenics to a degree by only cloning people they think are "better", though that's less offensive than neutering or executing the "bad" ones. I know its not the same person...I mean, you know what they say that you'd probably meet one person in your life that looks exactly like you. With cloning...you'd probably see 5-10...and I guess that's kinda freaky in itself. Well, they won't look EXACTLY alike. Close, but not exactly. Say one has a hooked nose because he broke it and it healed wrong, another has some interesting scars, et cetera. ... Yes, I'm being nit-picky. I'll shut up. True...cloning would be the best solution for huge scale interplanetary immigration....but I have a feeling this would cause them to get bitten in the butt in the future.... Yah. Like when hereditary diseases started increasing. Which, story-wise, is where they terminated the program and let the natural shuffling of genes through standard methods take over completely. ... I'd bet there were other programs to boost the population too. Like heavy taxes on birth-control products and special benefits for people with more than 2 children.
ewilen Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 All this discussion on cloning is interesting but it is discussion, not the Q&A for which this thread is intended.
blackjek Posted February 1, 2004 Posted February 1, 2004 thats why the vf-22 looks like vf-21 huh? i guess vf-22 made its appearance in macross 7? i didnt watch macross 7, was M&M inside???
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