dr_vandermeer Posted May 30, 2004 Posted May 30, 2004 Go away for a couple of days...1) Wheels down line-art 2) Legioss - Tread side by side in Armo-Soldier mode Also nice to talk about MPC Beta Fighter/Tread, but in the same breath they confirmed that making one depended upon how well the MPC Alpha's/Legioss sold, they stated that MPC Cyclones were next after the Legioss/Alpha no matter what, so we're talking literal years here... Cyc Thanks for the line art, Cyc! So based on that, really, is there any reason why that chestpiece is touching the ground? I understand it for robot mode, but in fighter mode, couldn't it have been deisgned to hinge in or something so that it wasn't a problem? Also, is there any line art showing how the wheels are supposed to be deployed from the fighter and from where?
CoryHolmes Posted May 30, 2004 Posted May 30, 2004 (edited) The chest is dragging because the Mospeada mecha underwent hideous amounts of anime magic during transformation, with parts magically changing size between the different modes. Unfortunatly, a solid toy can't really do that, so there have been a few comprimises made. For another compromise, look at the nosecone in Battloid mode. It hangs down pretty far, even though the lineart says it shouldn't. And as for those gears, take a look at the legs of the Alpha in battloid mode. Look at the calf missle launchers. There are two launchers on the outside of the leg and one on the inside. The bottom bay on the inside of the leg, beneath the launcher, is the gear housing. EDIT: Added picture Edited May 30, 2004 by CoryHolmes
dr_vandermeer Posted May 30, 2004 Posted May 30, 2004 (edited) The chest is dragging because the Mospeada mecha underwent hideous amounts of anime magic during transformation, with parts magically changing size between the different modes. Unfortunatly, a solid toy can't really do that, so there have been a few comprimises made. For another compromise, look at the nosecone in Battloid mode. It hangs down pretty far, even though the lineart says it shouldn't.And as for those gears, take a look at the legs of the Alpha in battloid mode. Look at the calf missle launchers. There are two launchers on the outside of the leg and one on the inside. The bottom bay on the inside of the leg, beneath the launcher, is the gear housing. EDIT: Added picture Yeah, anime magic i understand. But since it seems Toynami went all out trying to make this the best toy representation of a legioss fighter, i thought maybe seeing the chest touching the ground would make them want to fix it, and warrant some kind of better solution than 'we'll just leave it how it is'. Again, maybe a hinged chest piece so that it could be pushed in in fighter mode, and pulled out for battroid mode. Regarding the landing gear, i saw those areas too. In that frontal line art image from Cyc, it seemed like they stuck pretty far apart. Not bashing the toynami, they probably put it in the best place they thought, I was just wondering what the line art showed. Damn anime magic! Anyone have that though? Edited May 30, 2004 by dr_vandermeer
EXO Posted May 30, 2004 Posted May 30, 2004 I gotta agree that this is the best toy representation so far, but if your going to be bold and call it a masterpiece then you better make sure that everything is in top form. Even the 1/48 is not called a masterpiece and I would argue that it is (less the damn QC). I hope that the delay addresses this issue. I'm also betting that the fact that it drags has to do with that damn removeable cyclone gimmick. Guess we'll see. I gotta give it to them though. They know how to take a damn good set of pics. Damn, can I say damn anymore?
Cyclone Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 Also, is there any line art showing how the wheels are supposed to be deployed from the fighter and from where? Cyc
Graham Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 Not really MPC related, but it has to do with Toynami, so I thought I'd post it here. Anyway, I was in my local Jusco department store yesterday (a Japanese department store chain in HK) and I noticed they were selling Toynami Mospeada Legios Superposeables. That's right, Mospeada, not Robotech. The style of the packing was very similar to the US versions, but Robotech was not mentioned anywhere on the packing, instead it clearly said Mospeada on the box front. The toy looked identical to the US version and was selling for HK$89 (US$11.50). I didn't buy one though. Although a Japanese release of the Alpha MPC has been announced a long time ago, this is the first I've head of an Asian version of the Alpha superposeables. Graham
CID Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 Toynami indeed produced Mospeada super posable aim for non US market. I do not think it did very well, because they were trying to push US sellers to buy it. It is exactly same as the US vversion, except the prints on the pacakge.
dr_vandermeer Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 Also, is there any line art showing how the wheels are supposed to be deployed from the fighter and from where? Cyc Thanks again, Cyc! Wow, anime magic indeed...
Mechafan Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 (edited) Anyway, I was in my local Jusco department store yesterday (a Japanese department store chain in HK) and I noticed they were selling Toynami Mospeada Legios Superposeables. That's right, Mospeada, not Robotech.The style of the packing was very similar to the US versions, but Robotech was not mentioned anywhere on the packing, instead it clearly said Mospeada on the box front. The toy looked identical to the US version and was selling for HK$89 (US$11.50). I didn't buy one though. Although a Japanese release of the Alpha MPC has been announced a long time ago, this is the first I've head of an Asian version of the Alpha superposeables. Graham I heard about them awhile back. I think they were limited too. I think I remember 750 each or something like that. Have to go searching now. Edit: found where I saw it at Link Edited May 31, 2004 by Mechafan
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted May 31, 2004 Posted May 31, 2004 from what i understand toynami works with epoch to distribute stuff in japqan. Kind of like hopw they were to distribute epoch's stuff in teh USA. i dont care how big a beta would be, if yhey made an alpbha 1/32 scale and made it a one shot non combining release it would be worth 80$ and many people cry foul over the VF-0.....read thge latese 1.100 announcement thread news thing from last week./
Cyclone Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 from what i understand toynami works with epoch to distribute stuff in japqan. Kind of like hopw they were to distribute epoch's stuff in teh USA. i dont care how big a beta would be, if yhey made an alpbha 1/32 scale and made it a one shot non combining release it would be worth 80$ and many people cry foul over the VF-0.....read thge latese 1.100 announcement thread news thing from last week./ Yep, the Epoch deal was for release of ALL of Toynami's Mospeada output, not just the MPCs. 'course we'll have to see if more is released, the MPC Legioss has been plugged a couple of times in the Japanese press so it might be saved, but question marks over Mospeada I-men and Superposable Ride Armor... Cyc
CoryHolmes Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 and Superposable Ride Armor...Cyc Oh, don't tease us like that, it's not fair. I haven't even gotten my hands on this Alpha yet and I already want the SP Cyclones...
Cyclone Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 True enough, considering that Toynami has been deathly quiet on even a US release of those since the inital con "coming soon" advertising... Cyc
Bloodcat Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 Id really like to get the Alphas, but at 80 bucks for a 6 inch toy... thats like that line of Bandai Gundams that sorta claimed diecast content. The Zeta was a nice toy, but it wasn't worth the 55 I paid for it MSRP. (Kahen/Kado Senshi?) Which kept me from buying the Hyaku Shiki. For 80 bucks I MIGHT get one of them, and most likely I will wait for Rook's version to come out. If that.
Cyclone Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 On the point of future models, if people have issues with chest scrapping with the non-head fin equipped Stick type... Cyc (who admits to cheating with his Imai kits by pushing the fins forward instead of back...no scrapping that way)
Californium Posted June 1, 2004 Posted June 1, 2004 Id really like to get the Alphas, but at 80 bucks for a 6 inch toy... thats like that line of Bandai Gundams that sorta claimed diecast content. The Zeta was a nice toy, but it wasn't worth the 55 I paid for it MSRP. (Kahen/Kado Senshi?) Which kept me from buying the Hyaku Shiki. Unlike the KS Zeta, the KS Hyaku Shiki is certainly worth it. Hefty with nice amounts of diecast, including feet, calves, knees, upper legs, shoulders, and upper torso. Also really poseable and generally kickass. I wouldn't touch that zeta though. And I doubt I'll touch the Legioss. It's looking great, and I like Mospeada, but I just don't have that much interest in the toy. That might change though if the reviews all says it's incredible and I can find one cheap, but what are the chances both those things would happen?
Cyclone Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Robotech.com finally put up their version of the most recent Toynami Scott type Alpha article and image set. Robotech.com Masterpiece Alpha Fighter Scott Type image area Nothing super new, but one extra image Toynami didn't show and all the images are slightly larger and less cropped than what Toynami used. Cyc
TheLoneWolf Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Maybe I'm late to the party, but it's nice to see the Alpha with a clear canopy. I'll admit, it does look rather nice, but not enough to warrent $80. Especially when GameStop will be selling them for half that price in a few months.
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 might actually be final product...those aint paint thats stickers! and they stick out real bad. SO me thinks this could possibly be what we see when we buy it!(normaloly press photos are of resin protos which look nice and better than the ginal product)
Graham Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 I agree, that looks like the finished product. It's definitely plastic, not resin. Those stickers don't look too bad IMO. Graham
Anubis Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 (edited) Why did they put a Danger sticker INSIDE the intake? The Alpha looks pretty good. Does look like the final prototype. Still waiting to see the finished product though when it comes out. I'm still probably just going to get the Green one, but who knows. At least it appears Toynami is making a genuine effort here. I hope they give the Cyclone as much attention. Edited June 3, 2004 by Anubis
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 you know toynami, they dont kno where the hell to put them stickers LOL> yes it does indeed look like it is a final product sample.....and it looks good! The dead give away was the opacity of the stickers...see on resin protos which are usually shown, they are painted, but in this case as graham pointed out, it is plastic, and as i pointed out those stickers really stick out in the close in and personal shots. Even the crusty paint job on the glass rims is a dead give away to me that this is either final or damn close to it. I mean thats the paint we know and expect from them ! LOL but yes seriously their paint around the canopy tends to look like that.
melancholic Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 (edited) Does Toynami have any intention of making enemy mecha like the New Generation/Mospeada Gosu/Gorse? That would be incredible if they did. I've noticed they've yet to produce any Zentradi mechs from the Macross saga, so I'm not holding out much hope for bad guy toys from them. Edited June 3, 2004 by melancholic
Shaggydog Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 I'd love to see some invid/inbit toys too (and I know a lot of other folks agree), but I worry that they would just reissue the cruddy old HG toys. Who knows, I guess there's another robotech video game coming out, maybe a surge in interest will finally bring us some decent invid. I'm not getting my hopes up, though.
dr_vandermeer Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Does anyone know more about the folded up Cyclone gimmick? There's definitely a 'motorcycle' sticker that you can see on the chest area. And it does indeed look like part of the chest hinges out (you can tell by the arrows in fighter and robot modes). So far I've only heard about it, but not seen anything. Anybody know if it got scrapped or not?
EXO Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 you can see the folded up cyclone at the bottom right of this pic.
Blaine23 Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 you can see the folded up cyclone at the bottom right of this pic. Ew... rave veritech... thank god they ditched the reflective crap.
EXO Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 Ew... rave veritech... thank god they ditched the reflective crap. w0000000t... w00000000t.... every MPC looks better after you drop acid...
bsu legato Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 every MPC looks better after you drop acid... Hrmm...I'd like to drop the VF-1 MPC in acid. But the Alpha/Legioss does look pretty good. Too bad about the stupid price point though.
Black Valkyrie Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 It looks good, may be Toynami learnd their lesson (if they did) from the MPC VF-1`s and they know that they are the only ones who are manufacturing the Legioss, so they don`t want the customers criticizing them in the end. Another nice pic : http://www.robotech.com/gallery/galimage/v...mage.php?id=730
Godzilla Posted June 3, 2004 Posted June 3, 2004 (edited) Doesnt look bad. I am glad I bought 2 for $65 a piece or so I hope. I was excited about the MPC VF-1. And look where that got me... regret. Edited June 3, 2004 by Godzilla
Starnite Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 (edited) After examining the pictures, it looks like it just may be a bad transformation for the photo's on the chest draging issue. From the line art and other toys, it looks like the MPC's nose is not snapped down into the full "flight" position (possibly due to fear of breakage if this is the final resin piece before production or something). Also, when looking at the hips, it appears that they can be moved forward and up (when views in battriod), which would also help the ground clearance issues as well. Me may get lucky and have 2-3mm of space hunder the chest plate. Leg Joint Edited June 4, 2004 by Starnite
Black Valkyrie Posted June 4, 2004 Posted June 4, 2004 After examining the pictures, it looks like it just may be a bad transformation for the photo's on the chest draging issue. From the line art and other toys, it looks like the MPC's nose is not snapped down into the full "flight" position (possibly due to fear of breakage if this is the final resin piece before production or something). Also, when looking at the hips, it appears that they can be moved forward and up (when views in battriod), which would also help the ground clearance issues as well. Me may get lucky and have 2-3mm of space hunder the chest plate. Leg Joint So it seems hmph........... Toynami quality
Gaijin Posted June 5, 2004 Posted June 5, 2004 Well, it certainly does look good. Just so dang expensive.
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