VF Strike Valk Posted December 11, 2003 Posted December 11, 2003 (edited) Kind of off the Alpha topic...but...is it just me or are the MPC VF's all piles of poo? I just picked up 3 of the 1J's and opened the Rick Hunter one. It comes nowhere near my Bandai's or Yamato's...but yet I keep buying them. The 1S and 1A are on their way... What's with the little magnet that fell out of the right leg? I think I'm just going to keep it in the box and never take it out. I really hope they up the QC on the new Alphas... Now one has to wonder why you keep buying them... I'm a gluten for punishment... Naw...the reason I'm getting them, is that I'm getting them for dirt cheap. They do look good sitting next to each other on the shelf. Its just that they will never come out of the box. Is Toynami's QC that bad? The current gen of mechs are all made in China(Bandai, Yamato). How come the MPC's came out like poo? How do they justify the prices for such bad quality? Is it that Toynami just chooses to use inferior designs? Edited December 11, 2003 by VF Strike Valk
CoryHolmes Posted December 12, 2003 Posted December 12, 2003 Kind of off the Alpha topic...but...is it just me or are the MPC VF's all piles of poo? I just picked up 3 of the 1J's and opened the Rick Hunter one. It comes nowhere near my Bandai's or Yamato's...but yet I keep buying them. The 1S and 1A are on their way... What's with the little magnet that fell out of the right leg? I think I'm just going to keep it in the box and never take it out. I really hope they up the QC on the new Alphas... Now one has to wonder why you keep buying them... I'm a gluten for punishment... Naw...the reason I'm getting them, is that I'm getting them for dirt cheap. They do look good sitting next to each other on the shelf. Its just that they will never come out of the box. Is Toynami's QC that bad? The current gen of mechs are all made in China(Bandai, Yamato). How come the MPC's came out like poo? How do they justify the prices for such bad quality? Is it that Toynami just chooses to use inferior designs? Define "inferior designs", and then we can answer that one. The Yamato valks are designed in fighter mode and transform around that. The MPCs have the best looking Guardian/Gerwalk modes that I've seen in any toy or model. It's an issue of what you like most. I keep my MPC in Guardian mode, simply because of that reason. As for QC issues, look at all the problems the Yamato toys had, up to and including these latest 1/60th series of toys. However, I can say that I'm very interested in these Alpha toys. The sculpt look better than any other Alpha toy available, and for far less money.
Legioss Posted December 12, 2003 Posted December 12, 2003 The Toynami VF-1 is a Makes People Cry because Toynami is a new company and they don't understand the making of Japanese toys. They're trying to make American toys like Hasbro. Also, because it's a knockoff, Harmony Gold and Toynami have no cooperation from the owners and creators of Macross, even though they supposedly own the overseas rights. Buying the rights doesn't turn them into the original creators. Neither Studio Nue nor Big West can check the quality of the MPC, fit it in with their marketing plans, or ensure it's consistant with the series and the rest of the product line. Another thing is that Japanese toys tend to be high quality because the Japanese demand it.
VF Strike Valk Posted December 12, 2003 Posted December 12, 2003 (edited) Kind of off the Alpha topic...but...is it just me or are the MPC VF's all piles of poo? I just picked up 3 of the 1J's and opened the Rick Hunter one. It comes nowhere near my Bandai's or Yamato's...but yet I keep buying them. The 1S and 1A are on their way... What's with the little magnet that fell out of the right leg? I think I'm just going to keep it in the box and never take it out. I really hope they up the QC on the new Alphas... Now one has to wonder why you keep buying them... I'm a gluten for punishment... Naw...the reason I'm getting them, is that I'm getting them for dirt cheap. They do look good sitting next to each other on the shelf. Its just that they will never come out of the box. Is Toynami's QC that bad? The current gen of mechs are all made in China(Bandai, Yamato). How come the MPC's came out like poo? How do they justify the prices for such bad quality? Is it that Toynami just chooses to use inferior designs? Define "inferior designs", and then we can answer that one. The Yamato valks are designed in fighter mode and transform around that. The MPCs have the best looking Guardian/Gerwalk modes that I've seen in any toy or model. It's an issue of what you like most. I keep my MPC in Guardian mode, simply because of that reason. As for QC issues, look at all the problems the Yamato toys had, up to and including these latest 1/60th series of toys. However, I can say that I'm very interested in these Alpha toys. The sculpt look better than any other Alpha toy available, and for far less money. I guess I mean "inferior" by the way the Valk is constructed. I held it up to one of my Bandai's and it wasn't even close. It felt so flimsy. In fighter mode it was so loose. The design can't even compare to chunky monkeys...a design that's 20 years old. I was just expecting more from Toynami for charging 80 bucks...the gerwalk mode may be the only redeeming factor. Unless they thought the US market was so hard up for Robotech collectibles that they can do this. Sorry about all the griping...finally an American company puts out something...but it won't stand up to an 20 year old takatoku. Even with problems with the Yamato...its still designed better... Edited December 12, 2003 by VF Strike Valk
CoryHolmes Posted December 12, 2003 Posted December 12, 2003 That's because the Bandai toys are built like a brick! One description I heard is that you could drop your MPC off the desk, and it would break when it hit the floor. You could drop your Yamato off the desk and it would break when it hit the floor. You could drop your Bandai off your desk and watch it crush through the wood flooring and into the room below, still in one piece... I had one of the first 1/60ths, and the legs on that sucker would fall off at a poor glance from the family dog. I was also unfortunate enough to have bought the original VF-11 toy. At least Yamato learned from these mistakes for the most part. And I will grant you that the MPC isn't nearly as well constructed, generally. I think that Toynami learned from it's mistakes, too, and the Alpha will be better.
mechaninac Posted December 12, 2003 Posted December 12, 2003 And I will grant you that the MPC isn't nearly as well constructed, generally. I think that Toynami learned from it's mistakes, too, and the Alpha will be better. One can only hope. And for $80.00 MSRP, each, it'd better be.
Shaggydog Posted December 13, 2003 Posted December 13, 2003 Is this Alpha based off of the old Gakken molds or are new sculpts? Even though it doesn't have that magical Yamato touch to it, it still looks great. It's an original sculpt based off Imai's 1/48 Legioss kit, but in a smaller 1/55 scale to go with their VF-1s MPC (Major Piece of Crap) toys. From all the pictures I've seen, it looks pretty good, and seems to have several improvements over the plastic model. However, since QC is Toynami's Achiles's heel, the final product may not be anywhere near as sturdy as the old Gakken 1/35 scale toy. And the MSRP is just absurd. wait.. major.. piece.. of crap? uh.. OH! OH WAIT! I GET IT!!! AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha ho hem cough. ha. You know what else is funny, we hear so many reports of yamato toys breaking when it's the Toynami toys that have bad QC.
Graham Posted December 15, 2003 Posted December 15, 2003 Just re-watching Mospeada for the first time in more than ten years. I'd forgotten how fun it was. I must say I'm really looking forward to the Toynami MPC Legioss toys when they are released next year. They are my most anticipated toy release of 2004 so far along with the Yamato Macross Zero toys. Although I'm not a fan of Toynami's previous MPC or Superposeable toys, I'm fairly confident that they will strike a home run with the MPC Legioss toys. The current sculpt of the MPC Legioss looks great IMO and while it may slightly resemble the old IMAI model kit, it seems to be much improved in terms of accuracy of the sculpt, articulation and features. At any rate it is light years ahead of the the old large Gakken toy in terms of accuracy. I think Toynami will have learn't from their mistakes with the VF-1 MPC line. And to be honest, there weren't really that many problems with the VF-1 MPC IMO. OK, it's not a toy I would ever pay money for, but it didn't have too many QC probelms. Personally, my main disappointment with the VF-1 MPC comes from the very poor, inaccurate sculpt of the nosecone and intake area and the poor proportioning in battroid mode. Anyway, I say good luck to Toynami with the Legioss MPC, as they're the only ones making Mospeada toys Graham
Dangard Ace Posted December 16, 2003 Posted December 16, 2003 Ok, what's throwing of the page frame?? Fixed. At least on my monitor.
Cyclone Posted December 16, 2003 Posted December 16, 2003 Ok, what's throwing of the page frame?? Shaggydog's extra long HAHA, and still messing mine up too. Cyc
Graham Posted December 16, 2003 Posted December 16, 2003 Ok, what's throwing of the page frame?? Shaggydog's extra long HAHA, and still messing mine up too. Cyc OK, just edited Shaggydog's HAHAHAHA to make it shorter. Graham
CoryHolmes Posted December 16, 2003 Posted December 16, 2003 Graham, you took the laugh right out of him!
Apollo Leader Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Just re-watching Mospeada for the first time in more than ten years. I'd forgotten how fun it was.I must say I'm really looking forward to the Toynami MPC Legioss toys when they are released next year. They are my most anticipated toy release of 2004 so far along with the Yamato Macross Zero toys. Although I'm not a fan of Toynami's previous MPC or Superposeable toys, I'm fairly confident that they will strike a home run with the MPC Legioss toys. The current sculpt of the MPC Legioss looks great IMO and while it may slightly resemble the old IMAI model kit, it seems to be much improved in terms of accuracy of the sculpt, articulation and features. At any rate it is light years ahead of the the old large Gakken toy in terms of accuracy. I think Toynami will have learn't from their mistakes with the VF-1 MPC line. And to be honest, there weren't really that many problems with the VF-1 MPC IMO. OK, it's not a toy I would ever pay money for, but it didn't have too many QC probelms. Personally, my main disappointment with the VF-1 MPC comes from the very poor, inaccurate sculpt of the nosecone and intake area and the poor proportioning in battroid mode. Anyway, I say good luck to Toynami with the Legioss MPC, as they're the only ones making Mospeada toys Graham Again, the problem with the MPC VF-1 is that it is a copy of the HCM VF-1 of old. Since Toynami was a new and upcoming company that had never made a large transforming toy before and since they probably didn't have the money to invest into the proper amount of engineering to create a VF-1 mold completely from scratch (George Sohn is said to be a big HCM fan, too), that's probably why they heavily "borrowed" from the HCM. Here's hoping that the Legioss/Alpha turns out good.
Mr.Sci-Fi Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 $80 for a 6inch alpha, yeowch! I really want a new alpha but if it's that small for that price I'll need to take a closer look at before I shell out my dough. They should've gone to 1/48 scale or larger, I really don't care for it needing to match their valk's size.
LtStick Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 The only problem with making a larger alpha would be if they made the Beta to match. so you have to take that into consideration. If they went to big the two linked would be hard to manage and also would put more stress on the link between the two and no one would want that to happen. So I guess its a trade off.
Anubis Posted December 17, 2003 Posted December 17, 2003 Problem remains, if they want 80 bucks for the alpha, how much are they going to ask for the beta.
CoryHolmes Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 Given their pricing scheme so far, I'd say it would be a safe bet that the MSRP for a Beta fighter would be $80 USD.
Cyclone Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 Here's hoping. But if all the MPCs are in the $80US RRP range, better hope MPC Voltron comes complete with all five lions... Cyc
LtStick Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 If the MSRP for a Alpha is $80.00 USD. It would be a safe bet that a Beta would be at least $100.00 But thats just speculation on my part. who knows maybe the Alpha will sell for less. Its just a waiting game to see what Toynami is going to do.
Capt. Kraimer Posted December 18, 2003 Posted December 18, 2003 after reading all the different views on yammies, and MPC's, and Bandia chunkmoneys, i am just freaking glad that someone is making Valks. And i am sooo glad that some one is gona make a alpha/beta. I can wait until i have them both linked up in hot little hands.
CoryHolmes Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 I can wait until i have them both linked up in hot little hands. Get in line, buddy!
Jung Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 Sorry it took so long, exams come first  I'm not sure if people have seen this before or not, but the articles states that it will be coming out in Summer of 2004 Is it me or it just dont look right on the shoulder missile. I've built the IMAI 1/48 transformable kit, and I think it's a great kit, lookwise and transformation. If toynami based their toy on the old imaii kit, they made it alot uglier. They changed the look of the shoulder "canon" and WHAT's UP WITH THE CLOWNSHOES?!?! Wow, and they are making this 1/55 scale? THat;'s gonna be really small! toynami disappoints me yet again! here's a pic of a side by side comparision of the 1/48 imai kit and the 1/48 yamato valkyrie. Although judging from the pilots, the imai kit is slightly smaller than 1/48, you can tell that the alphas are significantly smaller than valkyries, therefore 1/55 alpha is gonna be tiny!
Cyclone Posted December 19, 2003 Posted December 19, 2003 WHAT's UP WITH THE CLOWNSHOES?!?! DEATH TO STUBBY LEGIOSS TOY TOE! LONG LIVE SERIES STYLE LONG TOE!!! Gakken/Imai fully transformable Legioss's = Longer nose, shorter toes MPC Alpha/Legioss = Shorter nose, longer toes ....hmmmmm... Cyc
Hikuro Posted December 25, 2003 Posted December 25, 2003 I just got a digital camera for xmas, and been taking new pictures of my MPC's...the first set of pictures are not that great, but the stuff I'm doing now are okay.
Hikuro Posted December 25, 2003 Posted December 25, 2003 Here's a miriya, not a good one bit it works
waylandcool Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 Has the Jack Archer MPC come out yet????
mister_e Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 Here's a miriya, not a good one bit it works Why did toynami make the head lasers red??? that looks kind of fugly if you ask me. I only have the Rick and Roy MPC's, but Rick's head lasers are not white (thank God).
Hikuro Posted December 27, 2003 Posted December 27, 2003 If you watch the show, I do believe Max and Miriya's VF-1J's head lasers are the same color...I made the same arguement last year and was wrong.
Mechafan Posted December 28, 2003 Posted December 28, 2003 Has the Jack Archer MPC come out yet???? Yes they are out. Kevin at http://www.valkyrie-exchange.com and Tam at http://www.tmpanime.com are shipping now.
waylandcool Posted December 29, 2003 Posted December 29, 2003 Has the Jack Archer MPC come out yet???? Yes they are out. Kevin at http://www.valkyrie-exchange.com and Tam at http://www.tmpanime.com are shipping now. Thanks for the heads up. I am definately thinking about checking that one out.
Mechafan Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 Ok all I got mines today, Yahoo! 1. Yes, there were smuges on the hip bar but very easy to wipe off. 2. Side head lasers bend a little inward but not as bad has the Roy MPC. 3. Hand and Fingers were pretty good. I have never had an issue with the hands before. Does still have limp wrist syndrone. 4. The pilot fiure for me was easier to put in this time. 5. Gun pod was easier to place in the arm in figther mode. 6. Were smuges here and there but good paint job overall. 7. Now for the legs. *Drum roll please.* The leg ratchets were tight. The right leg was as tight as the Max and Miriya MPC's the left was even tigher. I wished all my MPC's ratchets were as tight as the left leg on this one. In fighter mode the legs stay up very well.
Hikuro Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I wont be giving a review on the YF-1R for a while, it'll be in tomorrow...but I'd like to include pictures of it compared to VF-1J Rick type. So pictures of that should come in over the weekend with a very detailed report on my Macross Sanctuary site. Along with that, I'm nearly done after two months of working, my Robotech: Soldiers Tale Jeht MPC....it's not bad looking, I believe I included pictures when we were at the old format months back of what it would be like and so far it's pretty accurate to what I wanted. Sadly I don't think I got any pictures of it with me from the design art. But I'm working on panel lines, decals and final painting. The BIGGEST problem was covering areas that don't need to be painted and keep them clean...I sorta failed in many areas which I'll fix in future versions of Custom jobs. When it's completly finished, panel lines, decals, painting and so forth, I'll make sure to take pictures of it to show off...it's not as good as many customes, but I'm enjoying it. I REALLY REALLY need to outline the arch around the chest, that's the biggest problem right now.
GobotFool Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Any news on the release dates for the Alpha's?
Shaggydog Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 (edited) Gamestop.com has new release dates up, starting with Scott Bernard on 2/20/04: Gamestop Bernard Alpha Preorder followed by rook bartley on 3/36, lancer on 4/30, and sue graham on 6/25. Given that the dates Gamestop originally provided us for these toys were so wildly wrong, added to the fact that toynami does not have a great track record for hitting their estimated release dates, I wouldn't take those dates too seriously. But, look at the bright side: the fact that they're still listed means it's likely they'll come.. eventually. By this time next year we'll (probably) have new alpha toys! Edited January 13, 2004 by Shaggydog
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