Vespaeda Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 Well put,MSW(As much as I'd enjoy a well-done rendition of a Macross universe story, doesn't negate the fact that it would suck donkey b#lls in execution by Hollywood) Give indy studios another 4-6 yrs to create such a world "in house", via digital film & CGI, and I believe someone can pull it off, like "Sky Captain..." at the very least. Would NEED a dedicated enthusiaste (a` la P. Jackson) to write and pull it off. We WILL see a hi action, slick visuals mecha combat film appear w/in 5yrs, I predict. I agree: HG would try & produce RT first in America and in a stroke of cinematic "genius" give us "Space Gandam V meets Robot Jox". Hopefully, they'll file Chpt. 11 beforehand.
HWR MKII Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 I can see it now, little mis spears or jessica simpsom belting out "My boyfriend is a pilot" or "Little white dragon" to a new hip hop pop beat. or Franky Muniz from malcom in the middle as Hikaru. Lets have Gary Busey play Roy. These are the types of decisions that hollywood would make while casting. Anyone remember a small movie called Wing commander. Thats what happens when you try to cram a story with that much background info into a 2 hour long hollyweird production.
MSW Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 Now a live action Macross that approches the story as a satire or parody of mass consumerisam...manufactured pop songs...iconic collectable toys...the ties to proto-culture (Macross definition)...sort of a musical comedy with a undercurrent of social commentary on comercialisation and consumerisam and the relation to pop culture....such a film could work, but it isn't what you guys want...even though it sorta returns Macross to its origins as a parody. even with a cute chinese actress playing minmay, the story...taken at face value as a serious epic...just doesn't adapt well to the live-action medium, even though it works in the abstract medium of animation.
Black Valkyrie Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 It won`t work especially the story, imagine if Michael J. Fox is 20 years younger playing Hikaru Ichijo Here`s an example of live action giant robot soon to be released but in Japan : http://www.tetsujin28.jp/
hellohikaru Posted February 6, 2005 Posted February 6, 2005 Why is evryone suggesting caucasians to play the japanese characters like Hikaru and Misa, i am sure they are lots of japanese people can take the role.
HWR MKII Posted February 7, 2005 Posted February 7, 2005 i think we suggest caucasians because contemporary hollywood would try to stick the young fresh faces we all shovel out huge amounts at the door to go see. aside from Misa,Hikaru and Minmei how many other main characters were asian. Global was not nor Claudia,and judging from his name Roy is german. Although being russian seems to be something HG made up (i think) that actually works for Globals character. I do understand what you mean when you ask that but that answer is about the best i can think of. If Macross were made into a live action film it would have to be cut into 3 or 4 parts to properly convey the whole story. Considering the recent trend towards trilogies a live action Macross could be done it would just take an extreme amount of planning.
Keith Posted February 7, 2005 Posted February 7, 2005 Fan boys that don't want their niche titles to become popular? I'd love it if Macross became popular, to hear people discussing it, to be able to see 7 & Zero DVD's on sales racks, that would be awesome. But a live action feature would have the complete & total opposite effect. I'll say this, I thoroughly enjoyed the live action Cutie Honey movie, specifically because it was treated as a parody of something that was extremely campy to begin with. but accurately Honey it was not. And who mentioned Sky Captain, as that was a flaming piece of crap on wheels. poo story, weakly implemented FX (again, watch Giant Robo to see it done well), etc.
HWR MKII Posted February 7, 2005 Posted February 7, 2005 I have no problem seeing the movie made as a live action if given the right director and creative team for the look(leave the technical designs and the characters alone) Im just pointing out the roadblocks that would be instituted by studio politics and the current advertising demographic. In america who do you think they would market the movie to, the few thousand macross fans or joe blow down the street who is still in highschool, it is scifi. If it were ever made as a live action i would wholeheartedly accept it and judge it on how the story and character interaction is portrayed based on the set existing storyline. If i go see a macross movie i want to see a macross movie not wing commander with VF1s in it. I hope that is a mindset we all share.
JB0 Posted February 7, 2005 Posted February 7, 2005 i think we suggest caucasians because contemporary hollywood would try to stick the young fresh faces we all shovel out huge amounts at the door to go see. aside from Misa,Hikaru and Minmei how many other main characters were asian. Global was not nor Claudia,and judging from his name Roy is german. Although being russian seems to be something HG made up (i think) that actually works for Globals character. I do understand what you mean when you ask that but that answer is about the best i can think of. If Macross were made into a live action film it would have to be cut into 3 or 4 parts to properly convey the whole story. Considering the recent trend towards trilogies a live action Macross could be done it would just take an extreme amount of planning. As long as we're counting the ethnicities... Global is officially italian. Roy is "american"(though, as you noted, the name implies a german heritage). As far as fanboys trying to keep their shows to themselves... I'm incredibly insulted. I think it's a dumb idea. I acknowledge this. But I'd say the same thing if this was a thread about a live-action Robotech or Gundam movie. I HAVE said the same thing about the live-action Transformers movie. ESPECIALLY Transformers, where there's not even a POINT to having live action parts. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE HUMANS. </tangent> I don't understand why people keep clamoring for their favorite animated productions to be remade as live-action shows. Down that road lies nothing but tears. Sure they can do a lot with CG, but animation and live action are really suited for diffrent kinds of productions. What makes for good animation makes for a lame live-action movie.
Keith Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 I think we're also forgetting the fact that specifically because it would be based on an anime series, it's knocked several notches lower than an out of nowhere summer blockbuster. It would have studio stigma against it, wouldn't get a wide release or an advertising machine behind it. It'd be doomed to fail from the start. And seriously, even if the live action Eva movie is the most brilliant adaptation since burnt toast (mind you I'm not of the school that believes that will happen), who here believes it will be any remote kind of blockbuster success?
TheLoneWolf Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 Bringing Macross to life in a live-action movie is a piece of cake. The most daunting task would be writing a good storyline to go with it. And don't even mention DYRL, fanboys.
JB0 Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 And seriously, even if the live action Eva movie is the most brilliant adaptation since burnt toast (mind you I'm not of the school that believes that will happen), who here believes it will be any remote kind of blockbuster success? Honestly? I think the hordes of blind fanboys are big enough to push live-action Eva on into successful movie.
HWR MKII Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 EVA live action should be vaporware. Just because the effects company that did LOTR is attached they think its going to suceed. Macross live action though could have a better chance than EVA at working because the story itself can be easily told and sold to a wider audience. Anyone who has not sen all of EVA in its animated form would be lost to say the least if they tried to watch the live action one.
MSW Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 Honestly? I think the hordes of blind fanboys are big enough to push live-action Eva on into successful movie. The hoards of blind L. Ron Hubbard fans couldn't push Battlefield Earth to blockbuster status ... despite the fact that Hubbard fandom, for some, is supposedly a deeply religious experience
valk1j Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 (edited) Honestly? I think the hordes of blind fanboys are big enough to push live-action Eva on into successful movie. The hoards of blind L. Ron Hubbard fans couldn't push Battlefield Earth to blockbuster status ... despite the fact that Hubbard fandom, for some, is supposedly a deeply religious experience Even Scientology can't save a bad movie. Edited February 8, 2005 by valk1j
areaseven Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 How about making Macross a puppet movie instead? That way, no one's gonna complain about casting problems and production costs.
EXO Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 How about making Macross a puppet movie instead? That way, no one's gonna complain about casting problems and production costs. F*ck Yeah!
mechaninac Posted February 8, 2005 Posted February 8, 2005 How about making Macross a puppet movie instead? That way, no one's gonna complain about casting problems and production costs. F*ck Yeah! "Team Macross, Space Police"
JB0 Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 Only if we can dust Yoda off for Focker. "HIKARU! Women and booze you must pick up, yes!"
AlphaHX Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 Instead of live action, why dont we just CG the whole thing like Final Fantasy? If the animation looks anything like Advent Children, I wouldnt mind.
JB0 Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 Instead of live action, why dont we just CG the whole thing like Final Fantasy? If the animation looks anything like Advent Children, I wouldnt mind. Still avoiding anything FF7-related. So how about we say Spirits Within instead?
Skull Leader Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 ditto on the FFVII nonsense. thinking about the title of this thread: "Macross live action definately do-able" never equate the word "do" with "should" Just because we CAN produce a live action macross doesn't mean we should... we certainly have the technology to produce some visually breathtaking CG scenes. What we lack is the ability to make a decent 2-3 hour storyline out of it (As much as DYRL is my favorite macross, even I admit that a non-fan would be more confused than anything). If you take the Macross storyline as a whole, there are too many key-concepts that have to be elaborated on to be effectively displayed in a standard film to a first-time viewer to fully comprehend what's happening.
AlphaHX Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 ditto on the FFVII nonsense.thinking about the title of this thread: "Macross live action definately do-able" never equate the word "do" with "should" Just because we CAN produce a live action macross doesn't mean we should... we certainly have the technology to produce some visually breathtaking CG scenes. What we lack is the ability to make a decent 2-3 hour storyline out of it (As much as DYRL is my favorite macross, even I admit that a non-fan would be more confused than anything). If you take the Macross storyline as a whole, there are too many key-concepts that have to be elaborated on to be effectively displayed in a standard film to a first-time viewer to fully comprehend what's happening. ...or it could be something totally different and unrelated to the DYRL timeline. Macross Plus was fine as a movie by itself. Theres always the possibly Kawamori can come up with another storyline that fits within a 2 hour movie limit. and just cuz you guys dont like FFVII or whatever doesnt mean u guy shave to hate the CG animation. IMO it works quite well in terms of animation and cging. I also dont know why a lot of ppl in MW seems so afraid of a remake or a cg movie on Macross. I really dont get it. IMHO, Macross has pretty much hit close to bottom with Mac7 in terms that a lot of people already hate a Macross series. I dont think a movie, if done well, could be any worse. At this point, I'm for anything Macross. New series, movie, whatever... What is there to be afraid of? Why be so against it?... just cuz Kawamori didnt suggest it? Its nice to hear what people have to say about what they would like to see in terms of where Macross goes. Keep an open mind people...
Zentrandude Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 (edited) anything live action based on anime should be vomitted on by a million monkeys with polio. Edited February 9, 2005 by Zentrandude
AlphaHX Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 anything live action based on anime should be vomitted on by a million monkeys with polio. hahahahahahhahaha...
mechaninac Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 What is there to be afraid of? Why be so against it?... just cuz Kawamori didnt suggest it? Its nice to hear what people have to say about what they would like to see in terms of where Macross goes. Keep an open mind people... I don't think it's fear of the medium, or even if the product would be good or bad (well, maybe a bit of that); it's more the repercussions that a hideous "widely distributed" movie would have on the franchise that puts people off. If a movie were done well, all CG or with live actors, it still would not do that well at the box office because of the limited appeal of Macross in general; and if the movie stinks the deleterious effect to the franchise would be substantial, from further fan base erosion, to the blacklisting of the brand (entertainment financiers would look at it as proof positive that Macross does not sell and that would preclude we ever seeing another OVA or series).
JB0 Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 and just cuz you guys dont like FFVII or whatever doesnt mean u guy shave to hate the CG animation. IMO it works quite well in terms of animation and cging. I LIKE FF7. That's the problem. I JUST like it. I'm sick of hearing about it, I'm NOT entertained by all the hype, and I want it to have the decency to die like every other game. Far more worthy games have come and gone, but FF7 has become some eternal fixture that people won't quit babbling about.
Druna Skass Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 ...or it could be something totally different and unrelated to the DYRL timeline. Macross Plus was fine as a movie by itself. Theres always the possibly Kawamori can come up with another storyline that fits within a 2 hour movie limit. Now that idea I like. Instead of trying to make an adaptation of any of the current stuff for a live action. Kawamori could just come up with something completly new, with just VFs, ships and storyline elements tieing them in with the rest of the continuity. I mean in Macross Plus the only thing we see from the TV series was a brief VF-1J camio, the UN emblem, and the SDF-1.
MSW Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 What is there to be afraid of? Why be so against it?. Because for the last FIVE pages those in favor have been fixated on photoreal CG valks! Even back in the 80's with models, puppets, and bluescreens...the SFX technology has been there to make a visualy impressive live action Macross film....and we all know modern CG tech is up to snuff...WE ALL KNOW THAT! GET OVER IT! and put some frickkin thought into the other 90% of Macross...don't just say the story has to be "good" or "right", tell us what that means...put as much, if not more, energy into describeing that as you do enraptured in the fanboy wetdreams of CG valk eye-candy and you might be able to convince some folks!
MrDisco Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 1) If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (Macross is fine and works well as an anime, why run the risk?"2) Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. (I could, if I wanted to go out and just start randomly blowing away all the bad drivers I encounter, and there are times I am tempted, but it doesn't mean I will.) i think this is a very narrow-minded mentality. if we followed that we might never have gotten LOTR. heck even sailor moon live was entertaining to watch.
EXO Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 What is there to be afraid of? Why be so against it?. Because for the last FIVE pages those in favor have been fixated on photoreal CG valks! Even back in the 80's with models, puppets, and bluescreens...the SFX technology has been there to make a visualy impressive live action Macross film....and we all know modern CG tech is up to snuff...WE ALL KNOW THAT! GET OVER IT! and put some frickkin thought into the other 90% of Macross...don't just say the story has to be "good" or "right", tell us what that means...put as much, if not more, energy into describeing that as you do enraptured in the fanboy wetdreams of CG valk eye-candy and you might be able to convince some folks! that's idiotic... the only thing hindering a movie like this is the SFX. The story, the music and the acting which the other 90% you're talking about is what you won't know about until such movie comes out. Arguing about it is where the fanboy part comes in... and that's my point. Point #1: The question was is it doable. And yes it very doable... whether it should be done is an argument I'll stay out of and leave it up to the super zealous ranting of both sides. Point #2: The fact that people that say they're against it will be the first ones in line to see it, and no doubt will be ready to hate it just so they can rant about how right they were to begin with.
Black Valkyrie Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 If it happens (I doubt that) they should bring Euro-Asian (me ) looks or from central Russia cuz in these kind of people like anime characters except the hair color of course
Ladic Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 I say do it. If you don't want to see, then don't go to the theater and keep watching the cartoons. If you want to see it, then good for you, and head over to your closest cinema.
ogami Posted February 9, 2005 Posted February 9, 2005 I think Bandai should try again to make a Live Action Gundam... (RUN~~!!!)
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