bandit29 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 People still watch Star Trek? The force tells me there's a disturbing lack of Star WARS in their lives. Some do. I don't watch much Star Trek anymore. I haven't watched Enterprise regularily since season 2. And Star Wars isn't exactly setting the world a fire...its lame too. Hopefully Epiosde III will be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 People still watch Star Trek? The force tells me there's a disturbing lack of Star WARS in their lives. The force was tellin me the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 In the case of Enterprise this is an even worse problem because it's a prequel that often steps on, and sometimes runs right over, previously established "history"... You say that as if Star Trek has EVER maintained continuity on even a week-to-week basis. Personally, I enjoy Enterprise. It beats the hell out of Voyager, and is one of maybe 4 shows I watch on TV. I never said that Star Trek had smooth continuity, and I did put the word history in quotes; granted that Enterprise has better self-contained continuity then the other incarnations, especially Voyager (it contradicted itself about every other episode). However, there is an established canon that gets repeatedly trampled on Enterprise: the portrayal of the Vulcans (somewhat ameliorated by the "Kir Shara" arc), a Vulcan in Starfleet (Spock was the first), Romulans with cloaking technology (The Federation was unaware of this until "Balance of Terror"), the Tholians (it is implied that the Federation knows nothing of the Tholians until "The Tholian Web"), The Farengi (although not named, it is hard to swallow that they would stay away from all Starfleet contact until TNG), Borg (unknown until TNG), and many other nits to pick. I too watch the show; however, just like TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I can't bring myself to watch any episode more than once...they just aren't that riveting. To be fair, they ignored a lot of the original series stuff for the other serieses as well(I still like the DS9 tribble episode's acknowledgement of the klingon makeup problem). They tend to ignore all series at will, usually. ... Still waiting for the ferengi to bring back their lightning whips. No clue why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 (edited) I never said that Star Trek had smooth continuity, and I did put the word history in quotes; granted that Enterprise has better self-contained continuity then the other incarnations, especially Voyager (it contradicted itself about every other episode). However, there is an established canon that gets repeatedly trampled on Enterprise: the portrayal of the Vulcans (somewhat ameliorated by the "Kir Shara" arc), a Vulcan in Starfleet (Spock was the first), Romulans with cloaking technology (The Federation was unaware of this until "Balance of Terror"), the Tholians (it is implied that the Federation knows nothing of the Tholians until "The Tholian Web"), The Farengi (although not named, it is hard to swallow that they would stay away from all Starfleet contact until TNG), Borg (unknown until TNG), and many other nits to pick. A lot of those have been repaired (as you mentioned) or have plausible explainations though - like the Romulans, they don't know yet that they have cloaking devices to make ships invisible, they only know about their prototype holographic camoflague system, and Spock still was the first Vulcan in Starfleet since T'Pol just has some honorary commision thing. The fourth season has taken much more notice of these kind of things. That's why upcoming episodes that will deal with the Klingon head ridges thing and the mirror universe still interest me. People still watch Star Trek? The force tells me there's a disturbing lack of Star WARS in their lives. No matter how far Star Trek has fallen, it hasn't sunk to nearly the depths Star Wars has. That universe is irreversibly ruined. Edited February 2, 2005 by Panon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 A lot of those have been repaired (as you mentioned) or have plausible explainations though - like the Romulans, they don't know yet that they have cloaking devices to make ships invisible, they only know about their prototype holographic camoflague system, and Spock still was the first Vulcan in Starfleet since T'Pol just has some honorary commision thing.The fourth season has taken much more notice of these kind of things. That's why upcoming episodes that will deal with the Klingon head ridges thing and the mirror universe still interest me. They have improved, I'll grant you, and this season has been replete with nods to the original series...sometimes to the point where it comes across as a crutch or pure pandering to TOS geeks, and that won't get them new viewers. All the discrepancies, omissions, and contradictions can be explained away with enough contortionism and imaginative gymnastics, but those fall into the fan fiction realm of the equation and have no bearing on the visual evidence established by the episodes themselves. As for the Romulans, I've got to correct you on them having holographic technology only. In the second season episode "Minefield" not only do the Romulans have cloaked mines that Enterprise can eventually detect with the sensor pod used to detect Suliban vessels, but also a second generation cloaking device which is advanced enough to make it undetectable by Enterprise. Two BOPs (which just like the NX-01 itself, look much too "modern" when compared to the original series) are clearly shown decloaking to confront the NX-01 to the complete surprise of the crew. Again, according to "Balance of Terror", Romulan cloaking technology was unknown to Starfleet until NCC-1701 has a run in with it in that episode...several decades after the Romulan war, which Enterprise pre-dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 That reminds me... how many times has the federation forgot how to track a cloaked vessel? They have so many diffrent ways to see them now hte cloak should be worthless, and yet, they never can find a cloaked ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemstone Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 That show is lame, let it die. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uminoken Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 (edited) Well, it's official sports fans....Enterprise has been cancelled http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=8201 Edited February 2, 2005 by uminoken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit29 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Well, it's official sports fans....Enterprise has been cancelledhttp://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=8201 Great news. Maybe they'll take some time off...like 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 (edited) No surprise there. Let this tired franchise rest for the next 3 to 5 years; it has been far too over-exposed. That show just had too much baggage to overcome. Let's just hope they create a proper series finale to cap the series as opposed to what Sci-Fi network did with Farscape (I know they made a mini series to wrap it all up!). PS: Final episode to air on a Friday the 13th...that's just too perfect. Edited February 2, 2005 by mechaninac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 Guess the only channels I need now are 3 and PBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 Well, I guess those twelve days for the Save Enterprise ad aren't needed after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 And I also guess this means no syndication since it ends at 98 episodes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemstone Posted February 2, 2005 Share Posted February 2, 2005 And I also guess this means no syndication since it ends at 98 episodes? Don't be so sure about that.... The series maybe dead but something tells me it will somehow worm it's way into syndication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panon Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Syndication is already a done deal. http://www.trekweb.com/articles/2005/01/27...8a1333468.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt.actionjackson Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 It is kind of a shame. I just started watching again this season and I have to say the show has improved quite a bit. I gave up on it right around the end of season 1 and just now it seems to be improving overall. Well, maybe if they retire Trek for a few years, they might actually get some fresh takes on the franchise that could make it seem relevant again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Officially axed. As told on AICN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 That's some bad news for me because Season Three and Four have been awesome. But I knew this has been coming for quite some time, and there's nothing Berman and Braga can pull out of their arses to save the franchise. Tis a sad day for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 People still watch Star Trek? The force tells me there's a disturbing lack of Star WARS in their lives. Yes.......and the quality of Star Wars has been declining for quite some time. This will be the first time in 18 years they'll be no NEW Star Trek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 (edited) The cancellation story is on the Star Trek official site now as well. A shame really, I liked Enterprise better than Voyager. Has a much better cast than Voyager did. DS9 is actually my favorite Trek series. I loved that one. Edited February 3, 2005 by Anubis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Jenius Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Yes.......and the quality of Star Wars has been declining for quite some time. Says the Trekkie. Star Wars > Captain Picard > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Yes.......and the quality of Star Wars has been declining for quite some time. Says the Trekkie. Star Wars > Captain Picard > * You forgot a very important point... JarJar < * StarWars.Quality=StarWars.Quality/JarJar.Suckitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Johnathan Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 (edited) Well that's too bad. I generally agree season 3 and 4 (so far) are pretty decent. Though I missed all of season 2, season 1 came off kind of dry and sterile. I wish they'd just stick with a show and work to improve if it isn't bringing in the ratings, especially something as bankable as Star Trek. UPN is just a crappy place to be. Though what network doesn't eventually screw up their shows? So the only Sci-Fi I have to look forward to is Battlestar Galactica, and that show has it's flaws too. Edited February 3, 2005 by Major Johnathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 jarjar=basara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 jarjar=basara LISTEN TO MEESA SONGA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptRico Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 My Dad loved DS9 and TOS. But My heart goes to The Next Generation. I will always be a TNG fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechleader Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 "It's over Johnny" Well after watching the new Battlestar I have to say that at least theygot it right. They make the Trek show look tame and old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Jenius Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 jarjar=basara LISTEN TO MEESA SONGA! Jar-Jar = Ewoks = C3PO = Jawas = Kid stuff. Anyway. I've only seen 2 episodes of Enterprise and its a pity that it isn't that great. I mean, I think Bakula would have made a pretty cool captain... I haven't seen anything that wows me yet though. Speaking of which... Picard would have been a badass Jedi.... DAMMIT STAY ON TOPIC!!! >_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent ONE Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 jarjar=basara Thats needs to go in your sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otaku-Smeghead Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Well its offcial Enterprise has gone the way of the Do-Do www.Aintitcoolnews.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Well its offcial Enterprise has gone the way of the Do-Dowww.Aintitcoolnews.com Yeap. I heard. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yang_Neumann Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 And I also guess this means no syndication since it ends at 98 episodes? You mean they actually pulled off hat many eps.? Man, I'm so out of the loop...didn't they try to bring the Borg into the series briefly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 And I also guess this means no syndication since it ends at 98 episodes? You mean they actually pulled off hat many eps.? Man, I'm so out of the loop...didn't they try to bring the Borg into the series briefly? It was never an attempt to make them a regular villain. The episode was intentionally written to prevent a second contact untill Next Generation. It was just a little sidestory based off the time travel element in First Contact. A "what if the borg had a shuttlecraft out" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted February 5, 2005 Share Posted February 5, 2005 can't say I'm sorry to see this show get canned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzaffar Posted February 6, 2005 Share Posted February 6, 2005 Whos Idea was it to make a Tv show based on the beginning of the star trek universe? What were they thinking? I mean the Enterprise looks ugly, the crew sucks and they expect us to go from seeing nice ships and battles , like in Ds9 and voyager, to the crap in enterprise? Its good that this show is going down and hopefully Paramount will come to there senses and do better. Whatever they do I hope it takes place in the future and not the crappy and basic past! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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