Do You Remember Love WTF

[Beltane70]

Back in high school I showed a couple of friends that had never seen Robotech or the original Macross tv series DYRL and not a single one of them had a problem understanding or enjoying the story.

I guess DYRL is one of those films that will stand alone well for others, but not for some.

[Hikuro]

lol your almost completely dissing a holy grail there my friend watch out

The biggest point I like about DYRL compared to the series was the tones it used, from the music, to the damn good battles. Minmay singing pop songs you could almost inturperet as a way of comfort....without something good people could be in a large state of shock and depression, its not every day you get jolted into space and be forced to live in a bloody war that has no meaning.

yet there's another side where you see the grusome fate of so many who become collateral damage, just watch as so many people get crushed, decapitated or mangled or hell.....get shot thru their cockpit and watch as their flesh gets burnt away with your last image of your best friend being his skull.

Kawamori has also a pattern I noticed that in all his movies which were tv shows, he sets a very dark and gloomy tone....dark colors, dark backgrounds and alot of violence. DYRL and the Escaflowne movie are good signs of such. I mean you see a guy's freakin head get smashed in by Miriya and his eye ball just jumpin around like a bouncy ball HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE A FEMME FATAL?!

Now if you were to talk about Macross II...you might not have been attacked so harshly....not many people actually do enjoy it....

But I'll tell you what, I watched DYRL MORE times than I ever did the first volume of Robotech....I almost can't go a month without having to watch DYRL atleast 1 time thru.

[CoryHolmes]

hikaru goes from a shy rookie to a mature and confident leader.

Misa goes from a cold duty driven officer to someone who is more in touch with her feelings and core humanity.

Yes, but we miss out on the *why* they're like they are at the start of DYRL. We lose out on what decisions they'd made in their lives up to that point. Because of that lack of background information, it makes those transformations just that much less impressive and amazing.

Instead of history of missed chances and poor choices that lead to Misa and Hikaru's relationship, we get your standard Hollyweird tale of the male and female lead falling in love by the end of the movie. SDF Macross was much more believable in its depiction of that evolution from, "I hate your guts" to emphatic declarations of love. DYRL just glossed over that whole interaction and went for the glitzy Hollyweirdisms that I so detest.

Things like the relationship between Roy and Claudia were handled beautifully in the debriefing after Hikaru and Misa get picked up by the SDF. Sure they didn't dwell on it and they didn't explicitly show the relationship.. but seeing the contained emotion of Claudia as well as Roy's last words are more than enough to give the viewer a complete idea of the scope of their love.

It doesn't even come close to adequetly explaining the scope of their relationship, of the hows and whys they're fit for each other. Roy was turned from a hardned pilot who drank to overcome his problems into a drunkard who was mainly used for comic relief. We got absolutly no information regarding Claudia's relationship with Misa, about their friendship and how close the two of them were.

[do not disturb]

i love it how everyones going all ebert and roper on this cartoon.

seriously, this movie/series isn't really that deep, no movie is. its all depends on how people perceive things they are seeing and hearing that make a movie "deep". i could say SW is a "deep" movie and pick it apart to show you how deep it is but can you honestly look at me with a straight face and say it is? its all perception.

[eugimon]

hikaru goes from a shy rookie to a mature and confident leader.

Misa goes from a cold duty driven officer to someone who is more in touch with her feelings and core humanity.

Yes, but we miss out on the *why* they're like they are at the start of DYRL. We lose out on what decisions they'd made in their lives up to that point. Because of that lack of background information, it makes those transformations just that much less impressive and amazing.

Instead of history of missed chances and poor choices that lead to Misa and Hikaru's relationship, we get your standard Hollyweird tale of the male and female lead falling in love by the end of the movie. SDF Macross was much more believable in its depiction of that evolution from, "I hate your guts" to emphatic declarations of love. DYRL just glossed over that whole interaction and went for the glitzy Hollyweirdisms that I so detest.

Things like the relationship between Roy and Claudia were handled beautifully in the debriefing after Hikaru and Misa get picked up by the SDF. Sure they didn't dwell on it and they didn't explicitly show the relationship.. but seeing the contained emotion of Claudia as well as Roy's last words are more than enough to give the viewer a complete idea of the scope of their love.

It doesn't even come close to adequetly explaining the scope of their relationship, of the hows and whys they're fit for each other. Roy was turned from a hardned pilot who drank to overcome his problems into a drunkard who was mainly used for comic relief. We got absolutly no information regarding Claudia's relationship with Misa, about their friendship and how close the two of them were.

Actually.. I think you want DYRL to be a typical hollywood movie that explains everything...

this is hikaru, he's sad and mopey because he got stranded on the SDF and everyone back home died. let's show a montage.

this is misa, she's sad and cold because her daddy was mean to her and her boyfried got dead. let's show a montage.

this is roy, he's sad and a drunk because he kills for a living. let's show a montage.

roy and claudia are in love, let's show them having the sex so can all KNOW how much in love they are.

let's spend 15 min talking about the technology in an eposition montage.

Instead, they chose to reveal these things in quite moments, letting the viewer figure things out instead of one lame didactic sequence after another showing us explicitly what happened to them to make them who they were.

[EXO]

Um...what?

I never said DYRL doesn't have enough action.

You evidently completely missed the point of what I said. Perhaps you should read a little more carefully before posting.

whooops... my mistake... I confusedyou for the other newbie... I thought you and protoculture shock were the same poster.

This thread makes me laugh now... now I know how the Mac7 people feel like... except Mac 7 really is lame.

[cyde01]

hikaru goes from a shy rookie to a mature and confident leader.

Misa goes from a cold duty driven officer to someone who is more in touch with her feelings and core humanity.

Yes, but we miss out on the *why* they're like they are at the start of DYRL. We lose out on what decisions they'd made in their lives up to that point. Because of that lack of background information, it makes those transformations just that much less impressive and amazing.

Instead of history of missed chances and poor choices that lead to Misa and Hikaru's relationship, we get your standard Hollyweird tale of the male and female lead falling in love by the end of the movie. SDF Macross was much more believable in its depiction of that evolution from, "I hate your guts" to emphatic declarations of love. DYRL just glossed over that whole interaction and went for the glitzy Hollyweirdisms that I so detest.

Things like the relationship between Roy and Claudia were handled beautifully in the debriefing after Hikaru and Misa get picked up by the SDF. Sure they didn't dwell on it and they didn't explicitly show the relationship.. but seeing the contained emotion of Claudia as well as Roy's last words are more than enough to give the viewer a complete idea of the scope of their love.

It doesn't even come close to adequetly explaining the scope of their relationship, of the hows and whys they're fit for each other. Roy was turned from a hardned pilot who drank to overcome his problems into a drunkard who was mainly used for comic relief. We got absolutly no information regarding Claudia's relationship with Misa, about their friendship and how close the two of them were.

hey all. i usually come here just for news and don't post too frequently, but i've been around since the old boards. i'm a former film student working in the entertainment industry and just wanted to add my 2cents.

cory, i must disagree with your opinion. it is true that any movie version will have less character development than a series, but i feel dyrl did much better in explaining "why" characters act certain ways than most movies based on tv series' (come on! they only have 2 hours to work with!)

minmay is a much more mature character than in the TV series, who's feelings for hikaru seem much more legit. she shared an intimate moment with hikaru, and her superstar status isolated her from having friends, making him the only person she could talk to. that's enough of a reason for her to like hikaru. of course, in the TV series you get to watch her change from being an immature ditz into someone who has genuine feelings for hikaru (because there's more TIME).

the romance that develops out of hikaru and misa's isolation on earth makes perfect sense. romance always tends to develop where it wasn't when there's a situation of extreme stress. in times of peril, people tend to act in ways they wouldn't otherwise. that is the premise for all the romances that develop in wartime movies like Dr. Zhivago, etc. misa was feeling seriously vulnerable! earth and all her loved ones were gone! hikaru was there for her just at the right time! why shouldn't she fall for him?

the only thing that i felt wasn't developed enough in dyrl was hikaru's character. the only explanation we get for him dropping minmay in favor of misa is "you're the one i wanna be with, not her" in the TV series, minmay is immature and unsure of her feelings giving hikaru ample reasons (and TIME) to fall for a more genuinely caring woman.

they did the best that they could have of shrinking 36 episodes into 2 hours. dyrl fared a lot better in my opinion than most series to movie conversions.

as far as the pace of the movie, it is true that there's a whole section of the film with little fighting and more focus on hikaru and misa. i understand that some people want a little more pace and action. i personally thought there was enough action, but i understand that is a matter of taste that can't be argued for or against. however, as stated by someone else, macross (TV and dyrl) was meant to be a love story with the backdrop of interstellar war. the creators are quoted as specifically stating that.

Edited January 16, 2005 by cyde01

[Renato]

Heheheh. Protocultureshock, you are complaining about the over-emphasis on LOVE in a movie called....

"DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE"!!!!

Edited January 16, 2005 by Renato

[striderhiryu]

and that's why it is not titled: do you remember action?

[Montarvillois]

I apologize to say too that I thought DYRL sucked. As much as I love the valks and queadluun's I always found Minmay (in the series and DYRL) to be a major annoyance. When she sings, it's just like someone scraping a blackboard with their nails and the story is, ahem ! a bit light in terms of interest.

That does not make me an enemy here does it ?

I hope not.

[EXO]

I apologize to say too that I thought DYRL sucked. As much as I love the valks and queadluun's I always found Minmay (in the series and DYRL) to be a major annoyance. When she sings, it's just like someone scraping a blackboard with their nails and the story is, ahem ! a bit light in terms of interest.

That does not make me an enemy here does it ?

I hope not.

Sir... you are dead to me...

j/k

[Agent ONE]

Other than Conan the Barbarian, DYRL is my favorite movie of all time.

Great movies aren't 100% asskicking all the time.

[Opus]

I watch DYRL the same way I watch porn. I fast forward through all the talking to get straight to the action.

[Neova]

It is true that without the background of SDF-1 or even Robotech, getting the full picture of DYRL can be hard for a non-Macross Zealot first time viewer.

Personally, I love DYRL due to my earlier exposure to SDF-1. It only made DYRL better in so many ways.

And I enjoy watching Jerry Bruckheimer / Michael Bay movies. Great to just veg and absorb the mayhem! You all know Macross 7 would be better if the two director / producer combo make the movie version! J/K... please put away the pitchforks and nooses.

[polidread]

Hehe, when me and my Ex-Girlfriend watched DYRL she said she got bored of the entire movie.

that's why she's now called Ex-Girlfriend

[striderhiryu]

i remember i started into macross when i bought the ninja scroll movie, then i watched a short clip of mac + and i was like: hey, that's cool, should give it a try, and when i got to see it i was amazed by the animation, story and beatiful dogfights. the next macross i watched was DYRL in a video a friend taped from a cable channel. i did not had any problems keeping up myself with the story and i consider this movie as a jewel of classic animation. i have heard alot complainig from several people here in my city who wants macross to be like star wars or lord of the rings in the aspect of background information like in those movies i mentioned. personally this doesn't bother me since i just sit and enjoy this stories as they are the personall vision of it's creators.

also i just had a discussion with a local robotechie who doesn't like the way macross series are going since unlike robotech i fell them as more spiritual and deep. there are just many people who hope for this series to be action movies and therefor they cannot fully appreciate this movies as they are.

[Keith]

Wait, you're complaining about Mari's singing?....What the hell is wrong with you?

[do not disturb]

Other than Conan the Barbarian, DYRL is my favorite movie of all time.

Great movies aren't 100% asskicking all the time.

i can't believe you of all people just wrote that!?!?!

[bandit29]

Wait, you're complaining about Mari's singing?....What the hell is wrong with you?

Oh come on. Most, if not all of those songs aren't very good. Only a handful are actually listenable/tolerable. "My Boyfriend is a Pilot" makes me want to stab my ears with a dull knife.

That being said, DYRL? is my favorite Macross piece. I just fall asleep everytime Hikaru and Misa land on Earth lol

Edited January 17, 2005 by dejr8bud

[VF-18S Hornet]

Somebody Get my Whip I'm goinh to whipsome sense into the newbie

[do not disturb]

I just fall asleep everytime Hikaru and Misa land on Earth lol

its a one way ticket to coma-ville.

[Skypoet]

"Do You Remember Love WTF"

Is that a porn remake of DYRL? Where can I get it, where

Well back in the late eighties when I was ten I liked this sorta love triangle stuff

It was in the series (and the love story was as present in the series as the mech action) so it is normal that we find it in DYRL as well.

[Hoptimus]

Topic closed for overdone topic x 10.