Lightning Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 hey everyone, i was watchin DYRL? and i figured out how max had his gunpod for when he capped that poor Zentraldi in the face! he already had his gunpod flipped around so the barrels were the way his arm was facing! (gettin a screen shot in a second) EDIT: i couldnt get a screenie, but i have the time frame it happens in. it happens in 7min 56-57 secs in the movie. (if u move it forward frame by frame you'll see it and a color mistake! max's blue becomes Hikaru's red for about three frames) Quote
Hoptimus Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 I could never figure that out either. When it is on the arm for fighter mode it is pointed the other way. He would have to stick his elbow in the guys face to shoot him. Quote
Mechamaniac Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Yeah, you can actually see the gunpod open, and fire as Max pulls away. It's nifty. Here's a quick little animation I threw together from some screen caps, enjoy! Quote
Pat Payne Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 The only thing that bugged me about that bit is that Max's gun would have to have been pointing backwards in fighter mode for the gunpod to be on the arm like that. Quote
Mechamaniac Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 (edited) The only thing that bugged me about that bit is that Max's gun would have to have been pointing backwards in fighter mode for the gunpod to be on the arm like that. True, when we first see Max after Hikaru tells him they are all his, Max has just swept the legs forward while in fighter mode, and the arms are not deployed. So, I think we have to assume that he stowed it that way at some point before, or shortly after he switched to Battroid mode. It's unclear from the rapid frames whether or not Max went to GERWALK before going to Battroid. Either way, it's irrelevant since he obviously would have had to have stowed the GU-11 that way himself. Besides, from a combat perspective, why wouldn't you stow it that way?. Any way you can stow the weapon so that it comes to bear on your enemy quicker is better. And the way he had it stowed, he could do exactly what he did if he got involved in a hand to hand situation (which he did). Edited August 22, 2003 by Mechamaniac Quote
Yohsho Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Probaly the problem with storing it that way is that when in fighter modes its facing the wrong way and that is the only bullet weapon you have for close range fighter combat. Quote
Grayson72 Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 There is another option, he could have shot him in the head with one of those forearm missiles. I can't tell from the screen capture but you can't really tell if it was the gun that went off or a missile. Quote
Uxi Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Well the gunpod opening, as seen in the animation above (I never noticed this detail before!) would seem to indicate it was the gunpod... I just chalk it up as a bit of flare. Why would Max purposely mount it that way on the arm? Wouldn't be better to use the gunpod as intended in the hand? Ignoring how silly making the gunpod go to the hands in the first place is, except for looking cool, that is... Quote
Arrowyn Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 It's 'cause Max is THE BOMB!! It's definitely stylish, and he'd've had to have switched it either during the battle (before we saw him in action) or before deployment. Either way, it's badass. Quote
Lightning Posted August 22, 2003 Author Posted August 22, 2003 Yeah, you can actually see the gunpod open, and fire as Max pulls away. It's nifty.Here's a quick little animation I threw together from some screen caps, enjoy! yea, JsARCLIGHT and i were trying to get screen caps but we couldnt get any...but a question pops up: how did he get the gunpod turned around so fast? Quote
Mechamaniac Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 (edited) yea, JsARCLIGHT and i were trying to get screen caps but we couldnt get any...but a question pops up: how did he get the gunpod turned around so fast? As I said earlier, he must have stowed it that way at some point between Fighter and GERWALK. We don't see him inbetween these two scenes, so you have to assume. Either that, or the attachment point on the forearm swivels at the pilot's command? Edited August 22, 2003 by Mechamaniac Quote
Hybridchild Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Either that, or the attachment point on the forearm swivels at the pilot's command? Thats what i figured it was casue it seems like the most logical option Hybridchild Quote
Knight26 Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Obviously Max realized there was a high chance of engaging in hand to hand combat and had his gunpod mounted backwars before launch. I'm sure someone probably pointed this out to him to which he likely replied, "hey, we have the RoV-20 laser in the head for a reason, it can be used in fighter mode." It's likely that when Max returned to fighter mode that automatic protcols forced him to remount the gun as normal, but it gave him a good first hand to hand surprise, lets face it who would expect that attack he pulled off? Quote
Agent ONE Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 He didn't turn around his gunpod fast... It is an animation mistake. Quote
ewilen Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 The only thing that bugged me about that bit is that Max's gun would have to have been pointing backwards in fighter mode for the gunpod to be on the arm like that. The thing that bugs me is that IIRC the Regult was already disabled, so Max was basically shooting an enemy pilot who's bailing out. (Yeah, I know the other guy tried to throw the first punch.) Anyway, from looking at the This Is Animation book and the Film Comics, I've always assumed he was firing the gun pod. I had thought he was firing it backwards, as if his elbow happened to pointing that way while grappling with the Zentradi pilot, and that move seemed kind of cool. I'm a little disappointed to see that it was pointed forwards after all. Quote
Mathieu Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 I'm sure it's just a mistake by the animators. Quote
ArchVile Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 He fires off the gun pod in fighter mode before he does the punch, kick, grapple, shoot combo. Unless he was firing his one head laser really quickly. Quote
vf1_soulja Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 Man you guys sure do analyze anime in detail. I just look at the stuff and marvel at the way Max and his bad@ss self dispatches Zentraedi like he's takin' out the trash. Quote
SuperOstrich Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 I don't see now it would be very difficult for him to mount the gunpod backwards after transformation to battroid is complete. We're talking about Max here for crying out loud! Quote
Yohsho Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 Oh yeah he's like Roy in M0. Just a flick of the arm and the gun pops around into the right direction, hey that would be pretty cool. Quote
MAX DYRL JENIUS Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 MAX RULEZ ! he can what he wants with his valkyrie even make the animator's mistake look like a great job Quote
Unknown Target Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 It always looked like he shot the zent with his head laser to me... Quote
Abombz!! Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 I always thought he simply cracked the Zent helmet and the pilot suffered of explosive decompression. <_ Quote
Unknown Target Posted August 23, 2003 Posted August 23, 2003 Well, the way I remember looking at the sequence of events are: Zent pilot halfway bails out. Zent pilot throws a punch at Max. Max deflects punch and grabs the zent's arm, pulling him around a bit. Camera swivles around to a different angle. Max fires a shot from his laser cannon into the zent's face. Quote
MicronianDevil Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 Whether it was an animation mistake or not...it is an awesome scene. Max is just...well...a genius. Quote
Chowser Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 (edited) definitely doesn't look like a forearm missile. it does look like he shoots, if you play it in slow mo, there is a flash of light then it looks like there's blood leaking out of a hole after Max pulls away. here's my Max, he's got the gunpod in the right spot Edited August 24, 2003 by Chowser Quote
Lightning Posted August 24, 2003 Author Posted August 24, 2003 now that i look at it (again) Max has the forearm missle/armor pack on, but the gunpod is mounted on the side of it! look at the 4 cap panel a few responses up from mine, in the lower left screencap, see? Quote
Mechamaniac Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 now that i look at it (again) Max has the forearm missle/armor pack on, but the gunpod is mounted on the side of it! look at the 4 cap panel a few responses up from mine, in the lower left screencap, see? Yeah, but you can see the gunpod open up as he brings the Zent into position at the end of the arm. Max is no dummy, he isn't going to waste a missle at close range that could possibly affect his valk. Especially when all he has to do is pop off one round from the gunpod, and let explosive decompression do the rest. Quote
Chowser Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 here's some slow-mo screen caps. the flash of light and the bloody hole Quote
Mechamaniac Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 here's some slow-mo screen caps.the flash of light and the bloody hole And both micro missiles still inside the armor. Quote
Isamu Atreides 86 Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 probably more of that Anime Magic everyone talks about.... Quote
KingNor Posted August 24, 2003 Posted August 24, 2003 He's using 'robotechnollogy' to defy physics and reason. c'mon guys, the storyboarder thought "here is a cool kill schene" and the technical guy said "but the gun is on backwards" the storyboarder replyed "do you think anyone will notice?" technical guy thinks a moment "nah, no body would notice that, they'd have to look frame by frame, and no ones THAT big of a geek" Quote
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