Hurin Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 Was just watching a digital version of the DYRL Game Opening Sequence (you can get it on DVD on the Anniversery DVD available at Valk Exchange I think). Looks like, just before launching, they screwed up on the number for Hikaru's VF-1A. It is 011 in most shots, but for the side-shot just before he is catapulted off the carrier, it definitely appears as 110. Yes, nit-picky. . . but it just goes to show that it's not only AnimeFriend. H
JB0 Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 Maybe he got shot down between the battle on South Ataria and the beginning of the movie?
Hurin Posted September 16, 2003 Author Posted September 16, 2003 No, I mean, you see both 011 and 110 during just that opening sequence. H
JB0 Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 No, I mean, you see both 011 and 110 during just that opening sequence. H Oh. A damaged overtech cloaking circuit?
mechatek Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 I guess Graham liked that opening sequence so much that he wanted to get all of the details on his 1/48 Hikaru 1A.
areaseven Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 I think it's because the animators were using the Japanese style of placing characters on vehicles. If you look at most Japanese vehicles (i.e. police cars, utility trucks), the characters (usually Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji) on the right side are read backwards (right to left). Back before WWII, when the Japanese were reading or writing horizontally, it was from right to left. Then, during WWII, the educational board reversed the style so that alphanumeric characters could blend in with the Japanese characters. The Japanese, however, didn't start writing from left to right until after WWII when newspapers started using this standard. As mentioned above, most vehicles have the characters posted in reverse - not because the owners have to, but they want to keep with an old tradition. One exception to the right-left rule is Takumi's AE86 in Initial D, which, for some reason, is read normally from left to right. It's still kind of strange the way they reversed the numbers on Hikaru's Valk, though.
SuperOstrich Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 I'll bet the entire scene was flipped during editing, and they just decided that the numbers being reversed was a price they were willing to pay. Flipping scenes in films and animation is very common.
Hurin Posted September 16, 2003 Author Posted September 16, 2003 I though it might be a case of "negative" flipping as well. But then my brain started to hurt when I wondered if it would really cause the 011 to become 110. But, after reading your post, I fought my way through the pain and came to the conclusion that it probably was indeed just a flipped negative. Or whatever the animation/digital/non-film equivalent is. H
Agent ONE Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 As far as animation quality goes, I feel like that sequence is the Best of all Macross, especially the attention to detail on the VF-1.
Hoptimus Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 Another one I noticed is that Hikaru's FPs have the UN Spacy symbol on them instead of the Skull Logo when he launches off the ARMD.
maxjenius81 Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 While we're on the topic of the DYRL game intro, what exactly is the plane in the background of this pic?
Lindem Herz Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 (edited) Looks kinda like a Su-33. Edit: Now that I think about it, it looks like a cross between a Su-33 and a Ghost Edited September 17, 2003 by Lindem Herz
maxjenius81 Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 my thoughts exactly. Of course, what is a Su-33 doing on Promotheus?
Agent ONE Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 I think it is a pumpkin truck filled with satanic pumpkins... really, you guys are nuts. You can't see ANYTHING in that picture. What makes you think it is an Su-33?
Yohsho Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 I don't know all I see is the lower half of Hikaru, some ground crew, smoke and a big black thing with missles attached to it.
bsu legato Posted September 17, 2003 Posted September 17, 2003 No, I think areaseven has the right answer. I had forgotten about that tradition until he reminded me of it.
chowyunskinny Posted September 20, 2003 Posted September 20, 2003 here's a screen cap I took that's a little clearer
Bub Posted September 20, 2003 Posted September 20, 2003 Can somebody please post a pictures of what Hurin here is saying. I'm kinda slow. My gears need some warm-up. Thanks.
imode Posted September 20, 2003 Posted September 20, 2003 Here we go! Hikaru lining up on the runway... and then woosh, takin off! Both images from the right side of his VF-1. Flipped cell! Lordy those are some lousy images.
Lindem Herz Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 let's try that again ok, lemme check it out. landing gear - standard trycicle. folded backswept wings - checked. looks like a su-27 one. although it also looks like a f-16 one (not enough detail in animation to check out) back hump typical to the flanker family - checked. canaards - nop, at least not in the flanker configuration, ground crew blocking a possible vf-11 configuration view, so let's assume they're not there. nose cone - too big for a su-33, looks like a su-34 one canopy - not enough light to really see it. but it looks like a single piece, though. engine block? - kinda reminds me of a Mig 1.44. also looks like a Karyobin or a Ghost. intakes - ground crew blocking view. overall look - like a ghost with wings and a su-34 front fuselage with su-27 like canopy. therefore, a made up plane.
GodMedia Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 When will we ever just accept that production companies sometimes mess up? Oh the stories I could tell of screw-ups in productions I've worked on! It just happens. We're just human beings after all. What never ceases to amaze me, though, is how we fans try to rationalize production mistakes as being intentional and completely explainable as reasonable parts of the show. (Star Trek fans are notorious for this kind of behavior!) A mistake is just a mistake, laugh at it, shake your head, and let it go.
JsARCLIGHT Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 Could there be a rational reason why this frame is flipped? I think we can assume that the producers knew it was flipped... perhaps there was some other glaring issue that they wanted to correct. For instance: that deck officer signalling the takeoff, is he on the right side of the plane? Was there something against him being left handed?
JB0 Posted September 21, 2003 Posted September 21, 2003 What never ceases to amaze me, though, is how we fans try to rationalize production mistakes as being intentional and completely explainable as reasonable parts of the show. (Star Trek fans are notorious for this kind of behavior!) A mistake is just a mistake, laugh at it, shake your head, and let it go. Star Trek fans are also notorious for trying to generate a coherent timeline from a series that never concerned itself with continuity and is self-contradictory in many places.
Air Elijah Posted September 22, 2003 Posted September 22, 2003 Man, if it wasn't bad enough that they lost the war, they had to learn to read backwards? It's bad enough having to learn horizontal and vertical. Maybe this is why the Japanese are good at drawing and design - the ability to understand visual items arranged in multiple dimensions and directions!
Hurin Posted September 22, 2003 Author Posted September 22, 2003 Yep, pretty clear now that it was a flipped cel.
Hurin Posted September 22, 2003 Author Posted September 22, 2003 (edited) ANAL.What did you hope to achieve? Sweet merciful crap, dude! Who pissed in your cornflakes? I thought it wasy funny/interesting/curious, I posted it. . . and others went off on long diatribes and fanciful conjecture as to why the number was wrong. The tongue-smiley and the light tone of the original post should have made it clear to you that this was all in fun. And. . . apparently quite a few people found it interesting as well considering the number of replies (which put a lot more thought and effort into the topic than I ever did!). I was just the person who pointed it out. Other than that, I barely said a word. But, uh, thanks for coming by and just spouting off about how lame we all are. Much appreciated. I'll be sure to think to myself: "Will max enjoy this topic?" before I post again. H Edited September 22, 2003 by Hurin
Max Jenius Posted December 23, 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 ANAL.What did you hope to achieve? Sweet merciful crap, dude! Who pissed in your cornflakes? I thought it wasy funny/interesting/curious, I posted it. . . and others went off on long diatribes and fanciful conjecture as to why the number was wrong. The tongue-smiley and the light tone of the original post should have made it clear to you that this was all in fun. And. . . apparently quite a few people found it interesting as well considering the number of replies (which put a lot more thought and effort into the topic than I ever did!). I was just the person who pointed it out. Other than that, I barely said a word. But, uh, thanks for coming by and just spouting off about how lame we all are. Much appreciated. I'll be sure to think to myself: "Will max enjoy this topic?" before I post again. H Hrm.. there doesn't seem to be a 'cry me a river dickface' emoticon... Dude, I wasn't singling you out. So let the good times roll. Some peepz on this forum are soooooooo sensitive!
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