HWR-00-Mk. I Monster Destroid Intial Prototype

[Aurel Tristen]

The true Mark I Monster:

http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/armarty/hwr00mki.html

(Translation in the works)

More to come!

[Seven]

The true Mark I Monster:

http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/armarty/hwr00mki.html

(Translation in the works)

More to come!

God, the lobster claw still bugs me since the claw design looks so obviously like an last minute add on, since it doesn't blend at all with the original design. I'm thinking a more cost effective method of keeping it on the carrier would have been arresting cables or something, rather than design and manufacture a bigass claw and figure out how to incorporate it into an existing design.

[Zentrandude]

extremely fragle looking fingers. wasnt for hypercarbon the joints wouldnt be able to suport the weight.

[Macross_Fanboy]

The true Mark I Monster:

http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/armarty/hwr00mki.html

(Translation in the works)

More to come!

God, the lobster claw still bugs me since the claw design looks so obviously like an last minute add on, since it doesn't blend at all with the original design. I'm thinking a more cost effective method of keeping it on the carrier would have been arresting cables or something, rather than design and manufacture a bigass claw and figure out how to incorporate it into an existing design.

That lobster claw was a joke dude.

[KingNor]

you know, the original monster looks almost exactly like this but with diffrent "gun" arms.

i guess un-spacey felt the same way most of us do, because later itterations of the monster had no hands.

very bizzare to add something like this. is it ever even used in mac - zero?

[CoryHolmes]

I think the huge, honkin' feet should do a good enough job of recoil supression.

[KingNor]

RAAAAAH *MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH*

[Aurel Tristen]

RAAAAAH *MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH*

LOL

That's not exactly to scale ^^;

But funny.

[eugimon]

it's rare when a design is so hideous it makes me rethink my appreciation of other designs in the family.

[CoryHolmes]

it's rare when a design is so hideous it makes me rethink my appreciation of other designs in the family.

How is that?

[macplus]

Are those hands really to maintain the monster in its feet while it fires?? I wonder why they chose such thing... that hand looks like the tentacles of the aliens from ID4..(stupid looking) the rest is basically the same Monster we all love, but those claws... at least it's a prototype and not the production version 'cause it looks ridiculous, by the way, is it blown in ep 5??

[eugimon]

it's rare when a design is so hideous it makes me rethink my appreciation of other designs in the family.

How is that?

I can't help but seeing those ridiculous hands on the other monsters...

[Aurel Tristen]

I don't think using them as tie-downs are the claws primary purpose. They would perhaps be used at close quarters to grapple smaller enemy vehicles and throw them out of the way, hold them and shoot with the missile launchers or slash trees to clear a path. The Monster's crew was just "digging-in" to use the rail cannons during that climatic scene. Stop being so negative. Its an awesome design. The thing is a true Monster now.

[ewilen]

Just because it's official doesn't mean it's great.

Personally, it's not my cup of tea. The claws strike me as neither practical, necessary, nor esthetically pleasing.

The whole "clawed Monster" phenomenon seems like a joke--first they show the pictures, creating a lot of buzz about WTF is going on, then they give us a nice ultra-detailed mecha-porn sequence showing them being deployed...only to have it turn out that the Monster uses them to brace against recoil. It reminds me slightly of the coat hanger scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[Aurel Tristen]

....to use the rail cannons during....

correction:

50cm linear cannons

[Seven]

The true Mark I Monster:

http://nanashino.macrossmecha.info/armarty/hwr00mki.html

(Translation in the works)

More to come!

God, the lobster claw still bugs me since the claw design looks so obviously like an last minute add on, since it doesn't blend at all with the original design. I'm thinking a more cost effective method of keeping it on the carrier would have been arresting cables or something, rather than design and manufacture a bigass claw and figure out how to incorporate it into an existing design.

That lobster claw was a joke dude.

Uh yeah, thanks for the clue, but I already knew about that joke. Not to mention I clicked on the link at the top of THIS thread so there was no confusion. I was referring to the mechanical arm, Macross Fanboy, not the photoshop. I just called it a lobster claw because of its absurdity.

Edited October 25, 2004 by Seven

[KingNor]

HEY i'm a monster fan through and through, i just don't like the claws at all. i kinda put it up there with bayonettes on gunpods.

btw nanashi don't get discouraged you're site rocks.

its one thing to jam a knife into a goey human torso, it's another to stab a jet. the mecha in macross (with the exception of that "gladiator/spartain" whatever) have always been about shooting at other machines, even the valks primarily fire weapons at targets rather than punch them.

what ev. i'm having alot of fun taking jabs at this claw-monster.

[VF19]

....to use the rail cannons during....

correction:

50cm linear cannons

A linear cannon IS a rail cannon. Both use Electromagnetics to propel their projectiles. Same concept, different names.

[Aurel Tristen]

....to use the rail cannons during....

correction:

50cm linear cannons

A linear cannon IS a rail cannon. Both use Electromagnetics to propel their projectiles. Same concept, different names.

Yes, but I wanted to be more specific quoting the Japanese text.

[eugimon]

I don't think using them as tie-downs are the claws primary purpose. They would perhaps be used at close quarters to grapple smaller enemy vehicles and throw them out of the way, hold them and shoot with the missile launchers or slash trees to clear a path. The Monster's crew was just "digging-in" to use the rail cannons during that climatic scene. Stop being so negative. Its an awesome design. The thing is a true Monster now.

I always thought it earned it's name "monster" by being able to take out small fleet ships on its own...

Anyways, I don't think not loving every little thing that comes out of the macross universe makes me "so" negative... maybe a little negative?

to me... sticking big silly hands on the monster is just... well, the first thing that pops to mind is that ridiculous gundam line where the gundams where fish suits, or turn into bulls and there's that mummy gundam...oooh oooh and the gundam that wears the zebra stripped dress. I'm not saying it's that bad, it's just the first thing that comes to mind.

[Nightbat]

Hmmm, somehow I thought of the Mk. I as being simpeler in design.

Less cannons, and more basic missle launchers

is this what they call "reverse engeneering"?

[CoryHolmes]

I always thought it earned it's name "monster" by being able to take out small fleet ships on its own...

Anyways, I don't think not loving every little thing that comes out of the macross universe makes me "so" negative... maybe a little negative?

Welcome to my world

to me... sticking big silly hands on the monster is just... well, the first thing that pops to mind is that ridiculous gundam line where the gundams where fish suits, or turn into bulls and there's that mummy gundam...oooh oooh and the gundam that wears the zebra stripped dress. I'm not saying it's that bad, it's just the first thing that comes to mind.

I see the same thing when I look at the Stampeed. And I will agree with you that the claws are more than a touch ridiculous.

is this what they call "reverse engeneering"?

So it would seem.

[Panon]

to me... sticking big silly hands on the monster is just... well, the first thing that pops to mind is that ridiculous gundam line where the gundams where fish suits, or turn into bulls and there's that mummy gundam...oooh oooh and the gundam that wears the zebra stripped dress. I'm not saying it's that bad, it's just the first thing that comes to mind.

Wait until you've watched the episode until judgeing it.

They way they are implemented on the Monster and they way they're used come off *nothing* even close to that kind of thing.

They're completely utilitarian and not 'big claws'. They're not for combat as the Monster, like it's older brother, has very little mobility.

[Pat S]

The MKII monster must have some "BIG" magnets in it's feet so it can fire in space then.

So, the MKI can't fire on anything other than a carrier deck? Why not just mount some big guns on the carrier then?

I think the tie down cables make more sense.

[Seven]

The MKII monster must have some "BIG" magnets in it's feet so it can fire in space then.

So, the MKI can't fire on anything other than a carrier deck? Why not just mount some big guns on the carrier then?

I think the tie down cables make more sense.

Exactly my point as well. What's easier to design and implement, a gigantic mechanical claw or some sturdy hooks and tiedown cables to latch onto the already existing hooks on the deck of most carriers? You certainly don't see any military coming up with robotic hands attached to the bottom of their sea planes to grab onto the deck when coming down for a landing. How ridiculous would that be?

Then again, this is anime and if I can swallow a transforming airplane, I should be able to swallow a giant claw on the front of an artillery piece.

[BlueMax]

The MKII monster must have some "BIG" magnets in it's feet so it can fire in space then.

So, the MKI can't fire on anything other than a carrier deck? Why not just mount some big guns on the carrier then?

I think the tie down cables make more sense.

the MKII Monsters probably had some enhancements to reduce the recoil sustained, and thus be able to do away with the grappling claws used to anchor itself.....

but then again..... ain't rail guns supossed NOT (at least just minimal) to have recoil???

[JB0]

but then again..... ain't rail guns supossed NOT (at least just minimal) to have recoil???

Nope. A common misconception, but no.

As the magnetic fields of the rail gun push the projectile forward, they also push the gun backward, because the 3rd law of motion kicks in(every action has an equal and opposite reaction).

True, a railgun can use smaller slugs for the same damage than a conventional firearm, reducing recoil for the damage dealt(the same force on a small object gets a lot more acceleration than on a large one), but the Monster is firing shells that are almost 2 feet wide.

That's a LOT of mass, which works to a lot of momenteum, which means it takes a lot of force to change it's velocity. And they're making rather large velocity changes to it(0 to supersonic in fractions of a second).

So a not-insignifigant amount of force is dumped back into the Monster.

Making matters worse, a railgun can't use the conventional recoilless modification of venting some of the propellent gas out the back, because there's no propellant to vent.

So you just have to make the cannons able to slide back a bit, brace yourself, and hope for the best.

[KingNor]

Then again, this is anime and if I can swallow a transforming airplane, I should be able to swallow a giant claw on the front of an artillery piece.

i really really get pissed at thiese comments...

nessessity is the mother of invention, the military NEEDED transforming planes, so it makes sence that the resorces went into the valkyries to FORCE them to work.

the valkyries are a very well thought out design that fill a plot driven purpose, stuff like the claws on the MONSTER1 and the "less" advanced valks pulling more advanced manuvers is simple gawdy showyness to make the show "cool" and have no clear cut reason to be there.

no amount of tie down straps would make a plane viable for hand to hand combat. given anime magic it makes sence to have transforming valks.

there are a dozen things that make more sence than big robotic claws to help brace the monster:

straps were mentioned, recoiling barrols would work, simply designing the center of gravity so the thing could fire properly, built in tripod legs (much simpler). i'm confident the only reason the monster has claws was so it would look neat, and then someone thought up.."i guess it could use them to brace itself"

wow.. i went on a tirade.. back to sleep for me.. ZZzzzz

[JLYC]

maybe the monster can use the claws to prevent recoil in settings outside the the deck of a military carrier where cables may not be as practical? anybody thought of that?

btw it's just entertainment. most of the coolest things in anime are the least practical and makes the least sense in real life. but that's why we watch them- to see how far and wild imagination can go. if i want some real plausible sci-fi i'd watch TLC or even read michael crichton, not anime.

[Seven]

Then again, this is anime and if I can swallow a transforming airplane, I should be able to swallow a giant claw on the front of an artillery piece. 

i really really get pissed at thiese comments...

nessessity is the mother of invention, the military NEEDED transforming planes, so it makes sence that the resorces went into the valkyries to FORCE them to work.

the valkyries are a very well thought out design that fill a plot driven purpose, stuff like the claws on the MONSTER1 and the "less" advanced valks pulling more advanced manuvers is simple gawdy showyness to make the show "cool" and have no clear cut reason to be there.

no amount of tie down straps would make a plane viable for hand to hand combat. given anime magic it makes sence to have transforming valks.

there are a dozen things that make more sence than big robotic claws to help brace the monster:

straps were mentioned, recoiling barrols would work, simply designing the center of gravity so the thing could fire properly, built in tripod legs (much simpler). i'm confident the only reason the monster has claws was so it would look neat, and then someone thought up.."i guess it could use them to brace itself"

wow.. i went on a tirade.. back to sleep for me.. ZZzzzz

You're preaching to the converted, KingNor. I just added that little comment since I can foresee the inevitable "It's a cartoon for crissakes, stop being a overcritical bitch" comments from people out there. Not that I care, but either way, I'm not going to get to worked up over a claw on a anime robot. Now sneakers on the Evangelion... that's a different story!

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

It kind of looks like a face hugger from alien.

I haven't seen the 5th ep yet but consider that: even though a big destroid like that shouldn't have to move around much, it would be advantageous for it to do so by walking from 1 place to another to increase the targets it could see and the angle to shoot from. Tying it down might not be as practical as just walking around to the next spot, and then clawing onto something that would reduce the recoil when the shots were fired.

There are like 3 crew in a monster so it would be faster to have them all coordinate thier moves in synch without having to go through the pain of having people standing around in a dangerous area near the beast getting in the way.

Although this is just my opinion, I haven't really seen monsters move around much but remember the one episode where kamjin's soldiers were ambushed by those monsters? (if they were only designed as mere fixed cannons as opposed to walking battle tanks, they would not have been able to do something like that) The episodes was when all the monsters were hiding behind hills and some zentreadi-allies lured kamjin into a trap so they could be shot at from a distance by the (MKII) monsters from all angles. I've always assumed that the whole reason for legs over tracks is that legs are flexible to allow easy aiming in all uneven terrain due to being bendable and stuff. (like the mech in metal gear) You could adjust angle of the weapons easier when each foot was independant and the knees could change to make the mech sit flush against the ground so that things were kept straight.

Does anyone think the monster was inspired by the Glaug? They look very similar. Humans must have stolen the idea I bet.

Edited October 26, 2004 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[macplus]

Who designed this new Monster???

[KingNor]

i dont' think i've ever actualy seen the monster walk around. it's always rolling on it's rollers.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

It did take a tiny baby step in one episode. (actually just checked that episode where kamjin is riding on top of the monster like a cowboy in a western. It actually does walk. He is seen using a monster to lead a group of glaug and regults. The army of chicken feets. )

But the point was that it can serve the purpose of more than just a cannon that sit in one position. It has always been seen by me as more like a tank with a driver, gunner and comander. If tied down it would eliminate that advantage of moving to different areas and (like that episode I mentioned) surrounding the enemy from mulitple points.

And about not walking much: I always thought that was just animation laziness. haha Like how instead of seeing a VF in gerwalk use its legs to walk, it is seen mostly floating around. Only very rarely have I seen it use legs to walk.

Edited October 26, 2004 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[eugimon]

maybe the monster can use the claws to prevent recoil in settings outside the the deck of a military carrier where cables may not be as practical? anybody thought of that?

btw it's just entertainment. most of the coolest things in anime are the least practical and makes the least sense in real life. but that's why we watch them- to see how far and wild imagination can go. if i want some real plausible sci-fi i'd watch TLC or even read michael crichton, not anime.

problem with the whole the big clown hands serve a functional purpose is that using the big clown hands means you can't use the arm guns... not very practical or utilitarian.... would make more sense to give the thing a whole other set of arms and grappling mechanisms if the designers were so concerned with having that thing have to hold on to something to fire.

but then, let's also think about that idea as well... just because this thing has hands doesn't mean it can just hang on anywhere... it has to hang onto areas that are reinforced to accept the kinetic energy of having this thing pulling on it... which means, some cables would do the job just as well. But then what if the carrier was designed so that the monster could hold on to anything? same thing, some cables would work just as well. And, cables would allow the monster to fire its arm cannons at the same time.

Second point about it just being a cartoon.. well sure... but even in a cartoon, to be believable, everything uses a certain logic. In the macross universe, the powers that be went to great lenghts to establish that design elements in macross exist for a reason and not just at the designer's pleasure. So valk's don't dress up like giant fish to fight in the ocean, destroids don't turn into giant motorcycle propeled dogs, etc.

So when a big piece of military artillery suddenly has big fugly clown hands to grab hold of stuff.. it just smacks of silly.

I personally don't think it makes sense, from a tactical standpoint... it's fugly, as it disrupts the balance of the design and is suddenly intricate and complicated on a design that is straightforward and direct.