MacrossX Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 (edited) If you were to choose one best attribute (for lack of a better word) from each of the Macross series/OVA (From Macross to Macross Zero), what would they be!? Perhaps this could be used to form a "Perfect" series/OVA? Edited September 12, 2003 by MacrossX Quote
Raptor Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 TV Series: Fleshed-out plot. Originality. Old-school goodness. DYRL: Incredible art, directing, music, and emotion. Plus: The music, character designs, mecha designs, directing, animation, and realistic mech physics. 7: FAIYAA!!!!!!!!!!! Character designs, fleshed out plot, character development, Max/Milia, the Sturmvogel II. ZERO: Action, fluid animation, incredible speed of action and style. Quote
JsARCLIGHT Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Macross Zero: The new valkyrie designs and not much else SDF Macross TV: It started the whole thing and laid the groundwork for DYRL DYRL: It is the last word in Macross and is the pinicle of evolution of the species Flashback 2012: Gave us the VF-4 and not much else Macross II: Gave us the VF-2SS and not much else Macross Plus: Gave us the YF-19 and YF-21 and not much else Macross 7: Comes on a DVD format that can be turned off and lit on fire easily Quote
Hoptimus Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 TV Series: Fleshed-out plot. Originality. Old-school goodness.DYRL: Incredible art, directing, music, and emotion. Plus: The music, character designs, mecha designs, directing, animation, and realistic mech physics. 7: FAIYAA!!!!!!!!!!! Character designs, fleshed out plot, character development, Max/Milia, the Sturmvogel II. ZERO: Action, fluid animation, incredible speed of action and style. Agreed and add Flashback 2012: Gave us a few seconds of the VF4. Macross II: umm. Good art and VF2 SS is pretty cool. Story is lame though. Quote
MicronianDevil Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 TV series: Love the characters. Its just a great story as well. Its just...a damn good series. Everytime I watch the series and the series ends, I feel sad because thats the end of Hikaru, Misa, Minmay, and the rest of the cast. Quote
Captain of the SDF-1 Macross Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 SDF Macross TV series: Started the Macross legacy and laid the groudwork for future Macross works. Great characters and mecha designs. Sets the realistic mecha genre into a new level. DYRL: Brought up as an encore to the fans. Refined the best qualities of the TV show like a diamond. Brought the designers their quality of work up to a new level and eventually any anime production they would later work on. Flashback 2012: The final outing for some characters from the TV series/DYRL. Minmay's final bow in Macross is still a great one. Gives us more groundwork in the continuity as well. II: Gave us the VF2-SS, new Destroids, the Macross Cannon-class warships and Ishtar for fanservice. Plus: A return to the official Macross timeline. Ties with some of the old continuity. New Variable Fighters and other mecha designs. First character designs not done by Harahito Mikimoto. A milestone of Japanese animation. 7/7 Movie/Dynamite 7: Great characters, great animation designs, lots of J-Rock, Max+Millia, more Variable Fighters and making a few more milestones. Great stories too and featuring (low-profile in the show) a few more Destroids. Zero: First animated prequel story, more mysticism, another milestone of Japanese animation, more non-Mikimoto character art and more Variable Fighters. New Destroid designs and loads of action. Quote
treatment Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 (edited) Macross II: Gave us the VF-2SS and not much else and Ishtar!Don't forget Ishtar! Macross Plus: Gave us the YF-19 and YF-21 and not much else And Isamu Dyson. The most bad-ass pilot since Max Jenius and Roy Focker, not to mention the best bad-ass enigmatic devil-may-care-attitude character before Spike Spiegel. btw, Plus also introduced and gave to most of us Yoko Kanno's excellent music-compositions. All the Plus music are still golden to this day! Macross 7: Comes on a DVD format that can be turned off and lit on fire easily hahaha! true, true. Edited September 11, 2003 by treatment Quote
Prime Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Macross Zero: The new valkyrie designs and not much elseSDF Macross TV: It started the whole thing and laid the groundwork for DYRL DYRL: It is the last word in Macross and is the pinicle of evolution of the species Flashback 2012: Gave us the VF-4 and not much else Macross II: Gave us the VF-2SS and not much else Macross Plus: Gave us the YF-19 and YF-21 and not much else Macross 7: Comes on a DVD format that can be turned off and lit on fire easily Zero: mechanical animation, Roy Macross TV: great storyline/indepth story, great characters, great enemy, great mecha DYRL: great animation, along with the elements of the TV series Macross II: pass on this... Macross Plus: music, mechanical designs, characters, and animation Macross 7: Don't really like it at all. Quote
Agent ONE Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Macross Zero: The new valkyrie designs and not much elseSDF Macross TV: It started the whole thing and laid the groundwork for DYRL DYRL: It is the last word in Macross and is the pinicle of evolution of the species Flashback 2012: Gave us the VF-4 and not much else Macross II: Gave us the VF-2SS and not much else Macross Plus: Gave us the YF-19 and YF-21 and not much else Macross 7: Comes on a DVD format that can be turned off and lit on fire easily I agree with all this except for Flashback... It gave us tons of emotion, and another beautiful song by Minmay. Only 3 min. of new Macross, but that three min. is burned into my mind forever. Quote
imode Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Macross TV: Great story and the pioneer for over 20 years of Macross DYRL: Everything. Flashback 2012: Closure for the three main characters of DYRL and a brief glimpse of the cult favorite VF-4 Macross II: Mecha designs, and some nice 80's style synth pop music. Macross Plus: Character designs, mecha designs, story, Sharon Apple; probably the best thing that's happened to Macross since DYRL. Macross 7: the VF-17 Macross Zero: New valkyries and possibly more insight into the existence of protoculture. Quote
J A Dare Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 SDF: story DYRL: animation FB2012: ending MII: MASH M+: mech design M7: comedy elements M0: ? Of course, music is a big part of anything Macross...each series has it's good points...and bad points. I'll leave it at that. Quote
Tekkaman Blade Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Macross TV: plot development Macross DYRL: enhanced designs (Mechs and Techs) Macross Plus: movie flow (Movie edition only) Macross 7: Character Design Macross Zero: new look and feel, also good background story prequal Quote
Gubaba Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Original series: Great story, great characters, great mecha. Pity about all those AnimeFriend episodes... DYRL: Better designs (for characters AND mecha), and just drop dead gorgeous to look at. FB2012: A REALLY, REALLY good editing job for the "videos," and, of course, those few minutes of new animation near the end. MII: Some of the character designs are nice (especially Sylvie). Other than that...not much. M+: Lovely to look at, great Valkyries, creepy vibes, and exceptionally good music. Also opens with one of the best fight scenes in all of Macross. M7: This is tough...I think M7 has great ingredients for a show, but never QUITE managed to pull it off. Some of the Valks are cool, I liked seeing Max and Milia (and Exedol) again, I liked the idea of the Protodeviln and their history, and I thought the last clutch of episodes were awesome (but would have been better without Zomd and Goram). Some of the music's nice, too. I also thought the movie struck a good balance: fun without being ridiculous. MD7: The opening and ending credits are so frickin' awesome that it really makes me wish I thought Basara was as cool as I've evidently meant to. Again, cool designs. M0: There's very little that I DON'T like about this so far. The CG took a little getting used to at first, though. Quote
Aegis! Posted September 11, 2003 Posted September 11, 2003 Nice topic , I wonder why we haven´t seen it before now Well, I have enjoyed each and every Macross series to date in no orther of preference : Macross Zero : Great concept , solid character development , awesome mecha designs (mostly the VF-0D and SV series ) and spectacular animation. Super Dimensional Fortress Macross : marvelous characters , great plot development with lots of drama and the icon of all mecha designs - the VF-1 B) ! ; oh , and the music of course. Super Dimensional Fortress Macross: DYRL? : Awesome animation , awesome music and great action Macross Plus : With the sole exception of the character designs this series is Perfect ! 9.9/10 Macross 7 : Great mecha designs , as originals and varied as in the original series , pleasant music for the most part and well defined characters. I believe Kawamori has achieved in introducing more variety into the franchise with each new series and in thaat respect I´ve come to love each series by their own attributes and in the same scale. Quote
ayoung Posted September 12, 2003 Posted September 12, 2003 I believe Kawamori has achieved in introducing more variety into the franchise with each new series and in thaat respect I´ve come to love each series by their own attributes and in the same scale. I agree, I take every series as it own and love each one for its originality. Quote
MacrossX Posted September 12, 2003 Author Posted September 12, 2003 What about Macross 7 trash (did I get the name right?) ? What is it about and how is it? Best attribute? Quote
Prime Posted September 12, 2003 Posted September 12, 2003 I believe Kawamori has achieved in introducing more variety into the franchise with each new series and in thaat respect I´ve come to love each series by their own attributes and in the same scale. I also agree. One thing that I like about the series is that after the TV show set up the story's foundation, he has been able to write stories that are independant, yet fit very well into the overall saga. Not only that, be it has allowed him to write stories that are smaller in scale (like Mac Plus and Zero so far, though I also realize the ramifications of the events described) and yet still make them compelling. They go together like pieces of a puzzle. Although I like each segment for its differences and strengths, making my little list made me realize that I enjoy them that much more because they do fit so well together. For example: Macross Plus: Guld's emotional problems make so much more sense and are more tragic when I know the history of his race. Knowing the history of the Macross, seeing it rise up again is a much more awe inspiring sight. It also adds to the story knowing the significance and history celebrated by the Space War I ceremony. Macross Zero: To me, that opening prologue in episode 1, with the first person recounting of the arrival of the Macross is one of the best parts in all of Macross-dom. It still gives me chills. The arrival of such a thing in any story would be big, but knowing all that resulted from it's arrival: the development of technology, Zentradi's arrival, the near destruction of Earth, and the human expansion into the cosmos makes that seen so much more powerful. Anyway, you get the idea. Although each Macross series has it's own unique strengths, the saga as a whole is truly greater than the sum of its parts. Quote
Yoshi Posted September 12, 2003 Posted September 12, 2003 What about Macross 7 trash (did I get the name right?) ? What is it about and how is it? Best attribute? Macross 7 is a manga (comics) spin-off the Macross 7 TV series. The designs are gorgeous (best attribute) but the story-telling is retarded (worst attribute). It's not surprising since Mikimoto Haruhiko is a character designer and not a mangaka. To sum it up, he can draw good but he sucks at story-telling (and this is coming from a big Mikimoto fan). Quote
Macross_Fanboy Posted September 14, 2003 Posted September 14, 2003 (edited) All of them have one good trait....GIRLS!!!!!!! Edited September 14, 2003 by Macross_Fanboy Quote
0Coota0 Posted September 14, 2003 Posted September 14, 2003 One of the things I really liked about the original series as opposed to the others is that in Battlroid mode the Valk looks like a robot in the later series and in Macross Zero the SV-51 all look far to human, I really prefer that it, in my opinion, makes the Valks more realistic. Quote
F-ZeroOne Posted September 15, 2003 Posted September 15, 2003 TV: an utterly stupid idea for a SF show that worked incredibly well. The instant-classic characters, the Valkyries, the story, the overall "look", and Max. DYRL: Stunning production values; opportunity to show what the animators could have done if every TV episode had that much money behind them. And Max. Plus: Everything. One of those anime that reminds you why you got into anime in the first place. More specifically, the Valkyries, the music, the animation, and those dogfights. No Max, though. 7: The music ( no, honestly ). Some good ideas ( the colonisation fleets are pretty well thought out ), and an ( eventually ) involving story. And, of course, Max, the coolest near-60 year old in the Universe. Zero: Not entirely sure just yet, but at the moment, showing us the possible future of anime. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted September 15, 2003 Posted September 15, 2003 MILLIA And to a lesser extent, Emillia, Komillia, and Mylene Vostok 7 Quote
Uxi Posted September 15, 2003 Posted September 15, 2003 TV: uh... the VF-1? DYRL: Improved animation FB2012: The highlight reel MII: Metal Siren M+: YF-21 M7: Combination/evolution of previous material and addition of new M0: Roy Quote
isamu Posted September 16, 2003 Posted September 16, 2003 TV Series: Fleshed-out plot. Originality. Old-school goodness.DYRL: Incredible art, directing, music, and emotion. Plus: The music, character designs, mecha designs, directing, animation, and realistic mech physics. 7: FAIYAA!!!!!!!!!!! Character designs, fleshed out plot, character development, Max/Milia, the Sturmvogel II. ZERO: Action, fluid animation, incredible speed of action and style. I'm gonna go with this one Quote
Morpheus Posted September 18, 2003 Posted September 18, 2003 TV series : The Macross itself, Misa, Minmay, Miriya, Max, Malkyries, I mean Valkyries DYRL : 'ai oboeteimasuka' B) Flashback : EVERYTHING IN IT !!!!! Mac II : VF2SS, macross cannon Mac+ : Isamu, new valks, Sharon Apple Mac7 : Battle7, Max & Miriya and Emilia, Barauta Valks MacZero : VF-0, SV-51, aircraft carriers If I could add the games, I say it's VFX-2 : Konig Monster rulez Quote
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