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THIS IS A PLACE to discuss which valk got the best of the best in terms of design, concept, power, and peoples choice.. lets start from ... MESSIAH FASTPACKS VS DURANDAL : Debut: Macross Frontier, Episode 1 Pilot(s): Henry Gilliam, Alto Saotome Other appearances: none. Original mechanical designer: Shoji Kawamori FAST Packs The VF-25 can be fitted with one of two add-on packs to improve its performance. The VF-25 can transform between Fighter, GERWALK, and Battroid modes without having to jettison the pack VERSUS... * Maximum speed: o standard, in atmosphere at 10000 m: Mach 5.5+, (on account of the fuselage heat-resistance limit. Possible speeds of greater than Mach 10 for brief periods) * Maximum airframe design load: 32.5kg [40.0G] Design Features Forward-swept wings. Four-section design. Fold Wave system. Fold Wave projector system. Fold Quartz amplifier installed on each side of fuselage. Fold quartz not only improves airframe performance but also amplifies the effect of intervention and obstruction of Vajra fold network and fold song Manufacturer: Shinsei Industry/ Macross Frontier Arsenal Original Development/L.A.I. Fighter mode * Length, overall: 18.73 m * Width, overall: 14.15 m (with main wings deployed) * Height (without landing gear): 3.88 m Appearances * Debut: Macross Frontier: The Movie ~Sayonara no Tsubasa~ Background * Designer: Shoji Kawamori * Design inspiration: VF-25 Messiah with Tornado Pack Although Shoji Kawamori originally intended to design the YF-29 with forward swept wings like the YF-19, he didn't plan for it to have 4 sections like the VF-27 Lucifer. His inspiration came from incorporating elements of the first movie's Tornado pack. the winner is : both!